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by Dave Kashen and Jesse Pujji
Entrepreneurship is about more than your income statement.
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- 4 days ago48 min
Co-Founder Relationships That Can Navigate Anything
Most founders choose a co-founder off a spreadsheet. The skills check out, the background raises money, and the person feels "right on paper." Then they skip the titles, skip the decision rules, and default to harmony, assuming the relationship will sort itself out. It rarely does.In this episode of Heart of Entrepreneurship, Dave Kashen and Jesse Pujji break down the full arc of the co-founder relationship: how to evaluate a potential co-founder before committing, the questions to ask during co-founder dating, why "co-founder" is not a role, and the maintenance practices that keep the relationship healthy years in.Jesse shares how Ampush ran a shared founders email address for three years with no clear decision authority, until, as he puts it, "people called it a three headed monster." He also walks through the team learning exercise he took from McKinsey that gets new teams aligned in a single session, and the moment his COO answered "what are you most afraid to tell me?" with a fear of being steamrolled, which he says shifted their entire working relationship from day one. Dave explains why, in his words, "most drama is created by a lack of clear agreements." The two then work through a hypothetical 60/40 equity conversation, and Dave shows how it can quietly become a fight about worthiness instead of fairness.
- 4 days ago50 min
Why Spirituality Is a Founder's Edge, Not a Distraction
Can you explore spirituality and still build a scaling, successful company? In this episode, Dave Kashen and Jesse Pujji take on the fear that drive and awakening pull in opposite directions, and make the case that they reinforce each other.They start concrete with what founders can and can't control (sorting the files, why you can't control the outcome but can control whether you believe your thoughts), then move into the deeper work: letting go of resisting reality, the unfindability of the self, and what it means to lead from awareness instead of a self that always needs defending. The throughline is that none of this runs on belief. It runs on direct experience, and the less defended you are, the easier it becomes to create what you want.Along the way: the train of thoughts, awareness as the sky, the hard problem of consciousness, moths flying into streetlights, and the movie of your life where you're also the screenwriter.
- 2 weeks ago54 min
Why the Smartest Founders Stopped Trusting Their Brain
Jesse Pujji's wife met a CTO candidate at a happy hour and came away with a weird feeling she couldn't put into words. The guy had interviewed perfectly and accepted the offer, then reneged by email on the morning he was supposed to start. This episode is about the kind of intelligence Jesse spent most of his life overriding.Dave Kashen has coached Jesse for almost ten years, and the premise of this show is that success does not require suffering. In this first episode, the two of them dig into why founders over-rely on the intellect even though the brain is a survival organ that overweights threat and often gets its predictions wrong. Dave lays out a simple map of three intelligences: the head that thinks, the heart that holds emotion and desire, and the gut that knows instantly. The conversation works through how to tell them apart, how to start trusting them, and what changes when you stop running every decision through your head.
- 3 weeks ago46 min
How Founders Trick Themselves Into Never Having Enough Time
When people ask what they'd do if they only had a week to live, they're asking the wrong question. The question worth sitting with is: how would you show up?In this episode of Heart of Entrepreneurship, Dave Kashen and Jesse Pujji unpack what it would actually look and feel like to lead, listen, and connect the way founders would if time were visibly finite. The conversation moves from that thought experiment into something more practical and more urgent: why the clarity death creates is available right now, and what gets in the way of accessing it every other day.At the center of the episode is a distinction Dave draws between finite and scarce. Finite is a fact. Scarce is a story. And the story of not enough — not enough time, not enough confidence, not enough freedom — is one most founders are running on without realizing it. When that story loosens, something shifts. Founders tend to find the presence, the appreciation, and the boldness that the thought experiment was trying to point them toward in the first place.
- 3 weeks ago42 min
Why Imagining Your Startup's Death Sets You Free
When founder and CEO Casey Kelly died suddenly in a car accident, Jesse Pujji was texting her the day before. She had no time to say goodbye. That kind of loss has a way of forcing the question that most of us spend our whole careers avoiding: how do you actually want to show up with the time you have?In this episode of Heart of Entrepreneurship, Dave Kashen and Jesse Pujji go somewhere most startup podcasts won't: a direct, honest conversation about death, grief, and what it means to build a company as a human being. Dave had just returned from a meditation retreat where he recognized how much he had been quietly searching for something, even after years of practice. That recognition opened into a wide-ranging conversation about spirituality, the fear of startup failure, and why truly facing the cost of how you're living is often the only thing that changes behavior.What they explore together: why grief is one of the most honest responses to love, how the "via negativa" reframes spiritual growth as seeing through false beliefs rather than achieving a new state, and what a founder's relationship with startup death reveals about how present they're actually able to be. They also challenge the widespread belief that trade-offs between success and a full life are simply required, and offer a concrete practice for working with the fear of failure rather than being driven by it underground.
- Apr 24, 202648 min
How to Build Trust Among Co-Founders in Startups
Three equal co-founders, no titles yet, all best friends from high school. Jesse Pujji met a founder living that exact setup today, and the conversation they had surfaces one of the clearest frameworks for building a co-founder team that actually holds together. The principles that came out of it apply well beyond that one founder.In this episode of Heart of Entrepreneurship, Jesse and his co-host Dave Kashen work through two parallel questions: how do individual founders build genuine self-awareness from the inside out, and how do co-founding teams build the structure that keeps trust intact over time? Dave reframes the startup itself as a dojo for personal and spiritual growth, arguing that founders who orient around inner development get to win twice. Jesse maps the collective side, from aligning on vision and day-to-day culture to creating the governance structures that prevent resentment from building quietly beneath the surface.- How to deepen self-awareness beyond strengths and development areas, including body intelligence, language cues, and above/below-the-line check-ins- Dave's five concrete steps for building individual self-awareness within the context of running a startup, anchored in the 15 Commitments of Conscious Leadership- What it means to communicate to reveal rather than communicate to control, and why the shift makes difficult conversations easier and faster- How to align co-founders through separate 10-out-of-10 vision exercises, so differences in ambition and working style surface before they become fault lines- Why observable, rateable behaviors are far more useful than values on a wall, and how to build a culture survey that makes accountability concrete- The withhold-withdraw-project pattern that quietly erodes co-founder trust, and how candor interrupts it before it compounds- Why unanimous consent is the default failure mode for co-founding teams, and how to design clear decision authority so the right person decides the right things- What Dave means by "fierce love": the idea that a tight container around roles, governance, and agreements is itself a form of care for the people inside itTimestamps:00:00 Welcome and the Show's Central Premise00:28 The 26-Year-Old Founder Jesse Met Today02:35 Why Friends-as-Co-Founders Leaves So Much Unsaid06:53 Reframing Your Startup as a Dojo for Personal Growth09:03 How Prioritizing Inner Development Lets Founders Win Twice13:02 Can You Build a Successful Company Without Suffering?17:09 Dave's Five-Step Path to Building Individual Self-Awareness20:42 Using Body Intelligence as a Real-Time State Check25:09 Why Science Is Catching Up to What Felt Like "Woo"25:32 How Your Language Reveals Whether You're Above or Below the Line26:16 Communicating to Reveal Instead of Communicating to Control30:00 The Key to Thriving Co-Founder Relationships: Shared Commitments32:53 Turning Company Values into Observable, Rateable Behaviors35:45 When Co-Founders Process Information Differently38:55 The Most Common Ways Well-Intentioned Co-Founder Teams Break Down41:25 How to Set Decision Authority So Teams Stop Stalling46:37 Fierce Love: Why a Tight Container Is an Act of CareThe Heart of Entrepreneurship is a podcast about what it actually takes to build a successful startup and business, and take it to the next level – the mindset, the fear, the breakthroughs, and the inner work that drives outer results.Each week, executive coach Dave Kashen and serial entrepreneur Jesse Pujji go beyond tactics to explore the psychological and emotional side of building companies. Expect honest conversations, real coaching moments, and frameworks you won't find in a typical business podcast.🔔 Subscribe to Heart of Entrepreneurship for new episodes every week.━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━About the hosts:Dave Kashen is an executive coach to startup founders, a two-time YC-backed founder (Worklife, acquired by Cisco; Wellsphere, acquired by HealthCentral/IAC), former Goldman Sachs analyst, Stanford MBA, and author of The Inner Game of Entrepreneurship (forthcoming). He has coached founders behind Instagram, Anthropic, Morning Brew, Indiegogo, and others whose teams have created over $100B in combined value.Jesse Pujji is the founder of Gateway X, a bootstrapped venture studio, and co-founder of Bootstrapped Giants. He previously founded and exited Ampush, a performance marketing company. He is one of the most respected voices in bootstrapped entrepreneurship.Andrew Warner is the CEO of Bootstrapped Giants and founder of Mixergy, the original startup interview podcast. He previously bootstrapped Bradford & Reed to over $30M in annual sales and has interviewed thousands of founders over the past decade.━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━Join 1,300+ founders reading Dave's Inner Game of Entrepreneurship newslet
- Apr 20, 202648 min
Is Money the Secret to Entrepreneurial Fulfillment?
The belief that money will make you feel safe, free, and worthy is one of the quietest forces shaping how founders make decisions. In this episode of Heart of Entrepreneurship, Dave Kashen and Jesse Pujji trace that belief to its roots and follow it all the way through to what it actually costs.Jesse opens with a coaching session from 2019 where he uncovered an unconscious core belief: more money means more safety. Seeing the opposite of that belief loosened its grip enough to change how he made decisions for years. From there, Dave explains why money carries such unusual psychological weight. It's one of the only things that seems to promise security, freedom, and worthiness all at once, and that's what makes the attachment so hard to see through.They cover the specific patterns that keep founders stuck in their relationship with money:- The three needs (security, control, and approval) and why money appears to promise all of them- Why hitting your number just raises the bar rather than delivering the feeling you were after- How founders use company valuation as a proxy for personal worthiness- Dave's story of losing roughly 70% of his paper wealth in 2021, what he felt stopped at a bridge during a bike ride, and what shifted on the drive home- The Golden Algorithm: how the feeling you're trying to avoid is often the exact feeling your strategy ends up creating- Why freedom is a feeling, not a financial milestone, and how to access it without waiting for the exit- The one question worth sitting with when the episode endsTimestamps:00:20 The 2019 Coaching Session That Changed How Jesse Thinks About Money01:19 Uncovering the Belief: More Money Means More Safety02:41 Why Money Is the Entrepreneur's Most Charged Topic04:23 The Three Core Human Needs Founders Project Onto Money05:16 Security, Control, and Approval: What Your Nervous System Is Really After09:46 What Money Actually Is (And Why We Give It So Much Power)13:58 Why Money Behaves Like a False God: Infinite, Unattainable, All-Promising16:24 The Security Treadmill: Why Hitting Your Number Never Feels Like Enough18:42 How to Coach a Founder Who Has Everything and Still Feels Empty20:18 The "I Am" Trap: How Wealth Becomes Identity22:35 Via Negativa: Removing What's Blocking You From Feeling Whole23:43 How Beliefs and Defense Patterns Keep You From Experiencing Wholeness24:38 Why Understanding Isn't Enough: The Power of Direct Felt Experience27:12 Dave's Story: Losing 70% of His Paper Wealth and What It Taught Him30:36 Finding Worth Beyond Wealth: "I'm Just a Kind, Fun-Loving Guy"32:30 The Recipe for a Self-Created Money Crisis36:18 The Golden Algorithm: How Avoiding a Feeling Creates It38:55 Why Founders Use Valuation as a Scorecard for Self-Worth40:57 Freedom Is a Feeling: Why Money Can't Give You What You're Really After44:09 How to Access the Feeling of Freedom Right Now47:52 What Do You Make Money Mean?The Heart of Entrepreneurship is a podcast about what it actually takes to build a successful startup and business, and take it to the next level – the mindset, the fear, the breakthroughs, and the inner work that drives outer results.Each week, executive coach Dave Kashen and serial entrepreneur Jesse Pujji go beyond tactics to explore the psychological and emotional side of building companies. Expect honest conversations, real coaching moments, and frameworks you won't find in a typical business podcast.🔔 Subscribe to Heart of Entrepreneurship for new episodes every week.━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━About the hosts:Dave Kashen is an executive coach to startup founders, a two-time YC-backed founder (Worklife, acquired by Cisco; Wellsphere, acquired by HealthCentral/IAC), former Goldman Sachs analyst, Stanford MBA, and author of The Inner Game of Entrepreneurship (forthcoming). He has coached founders behind Instagram, Anthropic, Morning Brew, Indiegogo, and others whose teams have created over $100B in combined value.Jesse Pujji is the founder of Gateway X, a bootstrapped venture studio, and co-founder of Bootstrapped Giants. He previously founded and exited Ampush, a performance marketing company. He is one of the most respected voices in bootstrapped entrepreneurship.Andrew Warner is the CEO of Bootstrapped Giants and founder of Mixergy, the original startup interview podcast. He previously bootstrapped Bradford & Reed to over $30M in annual sales and has interviewed thousands of founders over the past decade.━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━Join 1,300+ founders reading Dave's Inner Game of Entrepreneurship newsletter:👉 davekashen.comJoin 40,000+ founders and operators reading Bootstrapped Giants:👉 bootstrappedgiants.comFollow the hosts in social media:Dav
- Apr 18, 202644 min
How Founders Can Leverage Emotional Decisions
In this episode, Dave Kashen and Jesse Pujji dig into why founders get paralyzed when facing major choices and why the real problem is never a lack of information. Dave explains that most leaders believe they're being rational when they're actually driven by emotions: seeking approval, avoiding fear, chasing safety, then rationalizing it all after the fact. The result is decisions that look logical but feel wrong and a pattern that repeats until the root cause gets addressed.They walk through the specific traps that keep founders stuck:- Why binary A-or-B thinking narrows your options before you've even started- How fear disguises itself as rational analysis in high-stakes moments- Why judging a decision by its outcome is the wrong metric entirely- The "whole body yes" framework — head, heart, and gut alignment as a decision tool- Two questions that cut through any hard decision when you're too close to it- How people-pleasing and approval-seeking quietly corrupt the choices you makeTimestamps:00:00 – Welcome to Heart of Entrepreneurship00:45 – Why Founders Get Paralyzed by Big Decisions02:32 – The Hidden Role Feelings Play in Every Decision05:05 – Why Emotions Are the Engine Behind Every Choice You Make07:49 – How Fear Disguises Itself as Rational Thinking10:34 – Why Business Decisions Are Never Purely Logical13:49 – The Trap of Binary Thinking and "Should Know" Pressure17:40 – Why It's Okay Not to Know the Answer Yet18:43 – How Getting Still Cuts Through Decision Paralysis20:50 – The Rationalist Argument Against Emotion-Led Decisions21:52 – The Head, Heart, Gut Framework for Clearer Decisions23:55 – How Fear Hides Behind Your Biggest Decisions25:38 – Why Predicting Outcomes Is Making Your Decisions Worse28:20 – The "Whole Body Yes" Test Every Founder Should Know31:22 – The Decision Patterns That Keep Founders Stuck31:31 – The Difference Between What You Feel and What You Actually Want33:55 – Two Questions That Cut Through Any Hard Decision36:01 – Why Following Your Energy Beats Following a Plan39:16 – How People-Pleasing Corrupts Your Decision-Making42:33 – How Presence Removes the Scarcity Behind Hard Choices43:28 – Why Authentic Decisions Require Courage44:52 – Closing ThoughtsThe Heart of Entrepreneurship is a podcast about what it actually takes to build a successful startup and business, and take it to the next level – the mindset, the fear, the breakthroughs, and the inner work that drives outer results.Each week, executive coach Dave Kashen and serial entrepreneur Jesse Pujji go beyond tactics to explore the psychological and emotional side of building companies. Expect honest conversations, real coaching moments, and frameworks you won't find in a typical business podcast.🔔 Subscribe to Heart of Entrepreneurship for new episodes every week.━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━About the hosts:Dave Kashen is an executive coach to startup founders, a two-time YC-backed founder (Worklife, acquired by Cisco; Wellsphere, acquired by HealthCentral/IAC), former Goldman Sachs analyst, Stanford MBA, and author of The Inner Game of Entrepreneurship (forthcoming). He has coached founders behind Instagram, Anthropic, Morning Brew, Indiegogo, and others whose teams have created over $100B in combined value.Jesse Pujji is the founder of Gateway X, a bootstrapped venture studio, and co-founder of Bootstrapped Giants. He previously founded and exited Ampush, a performance marketing company. He is one of the most respected voices in bootstrapped entrepreneurship.Andrew Warner is the CEO of Bootstrapped Giants and founder of Mixergy, the original startup interview podcast. He previously bootstrapped Bradford & Reed to over $30M in annual sales and has interviewed thousands of founders over the past decade.━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━Join 1,300+ founders reading Dave's Inner Game of Entrepreneurship newsletter:👉 davekashen.comJoin 40,000+ founders and operators reading Bootstrapped Giants:👉 bootstrappedgiants.comFollow the hosts in social media:Dave Kashen on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/davekashenJesse Pujji on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jessepujjiAndrew Warner on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/andrewwarner
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