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Two Quants and a Financial Planner bridges the worlds of investing and financial planning to help investors achieve their long-term goals. Join Matt Zeigler, Jack Forehand and Justin Carbonneau as they cover a wide range of investing and financial planning topics that impact all of us and discuss how we can apply them in the real world to achieve the best outcomes in our financial lives.
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- 4 days ago30 min
No ROI Yet. Fewer Recessions. Are You Making More Money? | 4 Things We Learned This Week
This week's Excess Returns Weekly Wrap examines when AI spending will translate into measurable end-user ROI, why the U.S. business cycle may now produce fewer recessions, and how Federal Reserve policy could combine lower short-term rates with a smaller balance sheet. Jack Forehand and Matt Zeigler break down insights from Andy Constan, Azeem Azhar and Aahan Menon on AI productivity, business-cycle shifts, asset prices and the tradeoffs between Wall Street and Main Street.Topics coveredWhy subsidized AI tokens may be masking the true economics of end-user ROIThe difference between personal productivity gains, cost savings and measurable business profitsHow the transition from electric light bulbs to assembly lines explains AI process redesignWhy adding more copilots cannot turn a legacy company into an AI-native enterpriseThe productivity J-curve and why promising AI investments may initially look unprofitableHow the shift from manufacturing toward services and technology changed the business cycleWhy housing and industrial indicators may be less reliable signals for the broader economyHow consumer conditions, equity wealth and technology investment increasingly drive growthWhy stronger balance sheets and policy intervention may be reducing recession frequencyHow lower short-term rates and a smaller Fed balance sheet could affect asset prices and inequalityTimestamps00:00 Intro and this week's triple-A lineup04:00 AI's long-term promise and medium-term transition risk08:18 Azeem Azhar on electricity as a model for AI adoption12:28 Why more copilots cannot create an AI-native company16:39 How services and technology changed the business cycle21:20 Why policy intervention may be smoothing recessions26:00 How Fed policy could rebalance Wall Street and Main Street30:05 Closing thoughts and where to follow Excess ReturnsLearn more about the Excess Returns podcast network:https://excessreturns.coNo information discussed in this podcast should be construed as investment advice. Securities discussed may be held by the hosts and guests, their firms or their clients.
- 1 weeks ago32 min
Strong Jobs. Vanishing Workers. Are You Watching the Wrong Number? | 4 Things We Learned This Week
In this episode of the Excess Returns Weekly Wrap, Jack Forehand and Matt Zeigler break down lessons from their conversations with Market Wizards author Jack Schwager and Data 4 the People founder Eric Pachman. They explore why the unemployment rate can hide labor market weakness, how aging and care jobs are reshaping employment, why elite traders survive by following strict risk management rules and whether artificial intelligence can ever solve financial markets.Topics covered:Why the headline unemployment rate can miss a deteriorating labor marketHow falling labor force participation changes the meaning of jobs dataWhy prime-age workers leaving the labor force matters for economic growth and consumptionThe limitations of relying on long-standing BLS and Federal Reserve benchmarksHow an anonymous trader turned a small account into roughly half a billion dollarsWhy trading discipline, stop losses and risk management matter more than being rightWhat the Carvana short squeeze reveals about the danger of breaking your own rulesHow aging demographics are concentrating job growth in healthcare and social assistanceWhy home healthcare and elder care workers are essential but often poorly paidWhether AI can generate market alpha or simply raise the baseline quality of investment toolsTimestamps:00:00 Jack Forehand and Matt Zeigler become market wizards04:24 What falling labor force participation hides08:55 Simon Russo chooses trading over music13:00 How ignoring stops could wipe out a fortune17:05 Messi and the rule sets behind elite performance21:05 Aging America and the rise of low-paid care jobs25:05 Why financial markets are uniquely difficult for AI29:07 How AI raises the floor without creating super-investorsLearn more about the Excess Returns podcast network:https://excessreturns.coNo information discussed in this podcast should be construed as investment advice. Securities discussed may be held by the hosts and guests, their firms or their clients.
- 2 weeks ago32 min
Tech Down 10%. Earnings at Record Highs. Which One Is Lying? | 5 Things We Learned This Week
This week's Weekly Wrap examines whether weakening mega-cap leadership, massive AI capital spending, and record earnings expectations are creating hidden risks beneath the market.Jack Forehand and Matt Zeigler compare Jim Paulsen's correction case, Katie Stockton's technical analysis, Jeff Klingelhofer's fixed-income view of AI debt, and Matt Zenz's evidence-based analysis of corporate investment.They discuss why semiconductors have replaced the Magnificent Seven as the market's narrowest leadership group, why healthy breadth can coexist with fading momentum, how roughly $600 billion in AI CapEx is influencing U.S. economic growth, and why excellent earnings momentum does not eliminate correction risk.Main topics covered• Jim Paulsen's case for a 10% to 20% correction without a recession or long-term bear market• Why S&P 500 technology was already 10% below its June high• How broader market leadership could outperform mega-cap technology• Katie Stockton on weakening Magnificent Seven momentum and narrow semiconductor leadership• The difference between market breadth, participation, and leadership• How roughly $600 billion of AI CapEx from four companies is supporting economic growth• Why heavy AI-related debt issuance may create attractive opportunities in high-quality bonds• How fixed-income investors evaluate AI spending differently from equity investors• Matt Zenz on asset growth, corporate investment, and the factor evidence around future returns• Why current mega-cap AI spending may not be extreme relative to company size• Why strong earnings momentum and optimistic analyst estimates can still precede market troubleTimestamps00:00 Four perspectives on technology, AI spending, and market leadership05:00 Technology is already down 10% and Paulsen's long-term bull case09:21 Katie Stockton on Magnificent Seven weakness and semiconductor leadership15:36 Jeff Klingelhofer on $600 billion of AI CapEx and the bond market20:13 Why high-quality AI debt may offer attractive yields24:25 Why mega-cap AI spending may not be extreme by factor standards29:09 Earnings momentum, earnings bubbles, and why strong fundamentals can precede troubleLearn more about the Excess Returns podcast network:https://excessreturns.coNo information discussed in this podcast should be construed as investment advice. Securities discussed may be held by the hosts and guests, their firms, or their clients.
- 3 weeks ago39 min
Expensive Market. AI Backlash. Are Investors Pricing the Wrong Risk? | 6 Things We Learned This Week
Jack Forehand and Matt Zeigler break down the biggest investing ideas from the week, including the AI bull market, data center backlash, semiconductor cyclicality, US stock market dominance and long-term market history. The episode features clips from Warren Pies, Meb Faber, Kai Wu and Ritavan on how investors should think about model progress, valuation, bear markets, moats, strategy and global diversification.Main topics coveredWhy political backlash against AI data centers may become a bigger risk than open source competitionHow Sam Altman, Dario Amodei and AI lab leaders are shaping the public narrative around artificial intelligenceWhy model progress, enterprise AI adoption and compute demand remain central to the AI bull marketMeb Faber on 250 years of US market history and the power of long-term compoundingWhy expensive US stock valuations can coexist with long-term optimism about AmericaHow bear markets reset speculative excess and why younger investors may benefit from future declinesWarren Pies on whether semiconductors are being priced like a less cyclical industryWhy peak margins and low valuation multiples can be misleading in cyclical businessesKai Wu and Ritavan on how AI changes moats, code, proprietary data and corporate strategyThe System Gambit framework and why old checklists can fail when the game changesHow investors should think about US versus international markets across decades and centuriesWhy future diversification may depend on where the next great innovation sandbox emergesTimestamps00:00 Intro and weekly lineup04:00 AI data centers, politics and the PR problem09:18 Meb Faber on US market history and bear markets14:44 Are semiconductors still cyclical?20:56 Kai Wu on code, AI and changing moats25:57 Ritavan on the System Gambit and the Ottoman Empire30:28 Meb Faber on US versus international stocks36:00 America as an innovation sandbox38:06 Closing thoughts and where to follow Excess Returns
- Jun 28, 202635 min
Easy Bubbles. Hard 100 Baggers. Useless AI | 6 Things We Learned This Week
This week’s Weekly Wrap breaks down the biggest investing lessons from our conversations with GMO’s Ben Inker and 100 Baggers author Chris Mayer. We discuss how to think about market bubbles, AI capital spending, earnings risk, IPO supply, SpaceX, long-term compounders, and the founder traits that matter for investors.Main topics coveredBen Inker’s framework for easy bubbles versus hard bubblesWhy the 2000 tech bubble was easier to navigate than the 2008 financial crisisHow expected returns can help investors think about risk and rewardChris Mayer on why labels like AI, software or SpaceX can mislead investorsWhy investors need to understand what companies actually mean when they say AIThe case that today’s market risk may be hiding in earnings rather than valuationsHow AI data center spending can boost current corporate profits before depreciation hitsWhy great 100-bagger stocks usually give investors many chances to buyHow IPO supply from companies like SpaceX, OpenAI and Anthropic could affect market returnsChris Mayer’s approach to evaluating founders, compensation, incentives and cultureTimestamps00:00 Intro to the Weekly Wrap and the new episode format02:22 Ben Inker on easy bubbles, hard bubbles and 2000 versus 200808:12 Chris Mayer on SpaceX, AI and the danger of letting labels do the thinking14:13 Ben Inker on earnings bubbles, AI spending and why valuations may look reasonable19:38 Chris Mayer on 100-baggers and why investors do not need to buy immediately22:53 Ben Inker on IPO supply, lockups and what new equity issuance can do to returns28:03 Chris Mayer on evaluating founders, incentives, compensation and trust34:38 Closing thoughts and the new Excess Returns Clips channel
- Jun 22, 202634 min
Expensive Market. Record Issuance. Can the Story Still Hold It Up? | 6 Things We Learned This Week
This week’s Excess Returns Weekly Wrap breaks down the biggest investing lessons from Aswath Damodaran, Andy Constan and Tobias Carlisle. We discuss SpaceX valuation, AI capital spending, IPO mechanics, market overvaluation, the shift from buybacks to issuance, and whether value, small caps and equal weight stocks are starting to reverse years of mega-cap dominance.Topics covered:Why Aswath Damodaran says valuation requires both stories and numbersHow investors can evaluate SpaceX without relying only on total addressable marketWhy IPOs are designed to trade well after issuanceHow a small public float can influence the perceived value of an entire companyWhy expensive market valuations do not automatically mean investors should sell everythingWhat history suggests about forward returns when market valuations are extremeWhy AI is changing the capital intensity of the Magnificent 7The underrated role of restraint in business strategy and AI spendingHow the market is shifting from buybacks to stock issuanceWhy value, small caps and equal weight stocks may be showing early signs of a reversalTimestamps:00:00 Intro and this week’s episodes with Aswath Damodaran, Andy Constan and Tobias Carlisle04:17 What the SpaceX story needs to justify the valuation08:56 Why IPO issuers may want the stock to trade up13:20 Why mean reversion looks harder to trust in today’s market17:28 How AI CapEx changes the Mag 7 valuation equation22:21 Why buybacks and issuance matter for stock market supply27:28 Are value, small caps and equal weight stocks starting to reverse?31:53 Why market broadening can continue if recession is avoided
- Jun 15, 202635 min
When the Fire Hose Meets the Megatrend | The Weekly Wrap
In this episode of the Excess Returns Weekly Wrap, Jack Forehand and Matt Zeigler break down two major conversations with Mike Green and Vanguard's Joe Davis. The discussion connects passive investing flows, mega-cap concentration, AI-driven productivity, fiscal deficits, demographics, and the possibility that markets are being reshaped by forces most investors do not fully understand.Topics covered:* Why passive investing can act like a fire hose into the largest stocks* How market-cap weighting can amplify flows into mega-cap, high-volatility companies* The connection between passive flows, factor investing, size, beta, and volatility* Why Mike Green sees passive flow dynamics changing market behavior* How buy-the-dip behavior, ETF flows, CTAs, and volatility control funds can reinforce rallies* Vanguard's megatrends framework for technology, demographics, deficits, and globalization* Why long-term structural trends can affect short-term growth, inflation, and markets* Joe Davis's case that AI could be more transformative than the personal computer* The risk that AI only automates work rather than augmenting workers and creating new industries* Why disappointing AI adoption could bring fiscal deficits, inflation pressure, and higher Treasury yields back into focusTimestamps:00:00 Passive flows, AI, and the biggest forces shaping markets03:38 Mike Green on passive investing as a market liquidity fire hose08:26 The passive flow premium and why large-cap stocks keep winning12:00 Joe Davis on technology, demographics, deficits, and globalization16:20 Mike Green on whether passive flows can reverse20:46 Buy-the-dip behavior, ETF inflows, and market volatility21:25 Joe Davis on AI, deficits, and the future of U.S. growth25:04 The 20% probability of a 9% 10-year Treasury yield29:00 Why AI could be more powerful than the personal computer34:10 Final thoughts on Mike Green, Joe Davis, and the Excess Returns network
- Jun 8, 202635 min
The $1.75T IPO No One Can Price | 6 Things That Surprised Us This Week
This week’s Excess Returns Weekly Wrap looks at the market stories that surprised us most, including the potential SpaceX IPO, extreme valuations, market structure, AI disruption, value investing, tech leadership and oil prices. Jack Forehand and Matt Zeigler break down clips from Cameron Dawson, Kai Wu, Jim Paulsen and Dave Nadig on what investors should understand about valuation, index flows, disruption and market leadership.Topics Covered:Why the SpaceX IPO could test how investors think about growth, valuation and market structureCameron Dawson on what 80 to 100 times sales implies for a company as large as SpaceXThe Palantir comparison and why great growth can still get priced in too earlyKai Wu on why traditional value investing struggles in industries exposed to technological disruptionHow value investing has performed differently in exposed versus insulated sectorsJim Paulsen on the shift from Magnificent Seven leadership to small cap tech and unprofitable tech stocksDave Nadig on why SpaceX’s small free float and index inclusion mechanics could distort price discoveryWhy forced index buying, options trading and pre-positioning could make the first 30 days of SpaceX trading chaoticKai Wu on AI disruption, software stocks and why dispersion creates both opportunity and riskJim Paulsen on why the biggest stock market pressure from oil spikes may come after oil prices peakTimestamps:00:54 What surprised us most this week05:27 What 100x sales means for SpaceX investors10:52 Why value investing still works outside disrupted industries15:45 Why risky market leadership can continue longer than investors expect20:53 Why SpaceX’s low free float matters for index funds25:23 AI disruption and the opportunity in software dispersion29:23 How dispersion creates winners and destroys funds33:46 Why oil peaks can pressure the economy with a lag
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