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Welcome to The Conversation Factory, where I investigate how to create change through changing conversations. Each episode I'll talk to an amazing conversation designer about how to Amplify, Shift or Transform conversations in Organizations, Teams, Communities and our own lives.
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- Jun 29, 20261h 16m
Founder Unfriendly - Under the Hood with Charlie O'Donnell
Welcome to The Conversation Factory, the podcast where we explore the deep mental models that turn difficult conversations into opportunities for clarity and alignment. Founding a company is often viewed as a binary choice: win big or fail completely. But what if success isn't about total victory (what would that even mean?) but about mastering the long game, the infinite game, and the quality of the relationships you make along the way? In this episode, I sit down with seasoned venture capitalist and author of Founder Unfriendly, Charlie O'Donnell, to explore the communication strategies and clear thinking that fuel successful entrepreneurship. Charlie is a 20-year VC veteran, a Partner at Brooklyn Bridge Ventures, and an active presence in the NYC Startup scene…and his recent book is a very helpful guide for the 99% of founders who will struggle to fundraise. We dive deep into the essential, often-avoided conversations that make or break a startup. Charlie explains why your co-founder is your most important hire—they provide the deep trust, honesty, and pushback that AI really can't - you can't walk away from a real person like you can from your laptop - and a real partner will want to be real honest with you in a way an employee just can't. He also explains why key documents, such as a structured financial plan and weekly hypothesis-and-progress conversations rooted in OKR thinking, are not "fiction" but an essential anchor for strategic conversations, even at an early stage. We also talk about the power of a "conversational judo" approach to tricky investor conversations and how to marshal the inner resources to steer difficult questions towards your strengths. One thing I really loved about this conversation was the moment I chose for the opening quote - Charlie was pointing to an idea near and dear to my heart that I've been noodling about - Emotional Metabolism. As he says, you can't tell someone to feel differently than they feel. No one has an emotional metabolism that is that fast! If you don't believe me, reflect back on what happened the last time you told someone to calm down - I'm guessing the opposite happened? I often deal with difficult emotions on coaching calls - even leaders in the C-Suite or C-minus suite sometimes feel impostor syndrome, struggle to step into boisterous team debates, or feel like they don't belong or don't have anything worth hearing at networking events. And telling them NOT to feel those emotions and to do something different is not an effective way to change their outcomes. While I'm not a therapist, I sometimes have to create a therapeutic experience for my clients, based on what I understand is best practice, to create a space to process those emotions. Accepting that they feel their feelings is an essential first step. Feeling these difficult feelings fully can help you metabolize them…and for certain, avoiding feeling our feelings doesn't make them go away, it just stuffs them down - metastasizes them, more than metabolizes them. But feeling our feelings is only one step towards fully metabolizing them into something useful. Eventually, we have to learn to calm those feelings when they return - which they very well might. We can calm those feelings through meditation, journaling, and breathing, but we can also calm those feelings by stepping outside of ourselves and focusing on others instead. Charlie suggests a healthy coping mechanism for our anxieties, which is not to pretend that we don't experience them but to think more about what another person needs to hear than what we feel - we could call it the "get out of my head and get into their head" approach - in this case, focusing on an investor's desire to, as Charlie describes it, buy a "ticket to a very large outcome" and focus on how to craft our messaging towards that goal. And we dive into a very worthwhile and very likely conversation founders will face - how to strategically design the conversation after a startup failure, where Charlie argues that avoiding investors and ghosting them is an (understandable) mistake, but one that surrenders control of your narrative. Instead, Charlie shares how to lean into hard conversations with some clear 2 X 2 thinking! This episode is jam-packed with actionable advice for navigating the complexities of raising and running an impactful company. Links https://www.thisisgoingtobebig.com/ What's next after you lose someone's money? https://www.thisisgoingtobebig.com/blog/2025/11/29/whats-next-after-you-lose-someones-money <a href= "https://www.brooklynbridg
- Apr 20, 202654 min
The Power of Nature to Fuel Creativity with Warren Berger
Get free chapters of my book, Good Talk, and master the art of conversations big and small: https://www.danielstillman.com/good-talk Please support the podcast! 💌 subscribe on Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3QzcPAW 💌 iTunes: https://apple.co/4ifh6pb or with a monthly contribution here: https://bit.ly/support-tcf-monthly one-time donation here: https://bit.ly/support-tcf-once Check out https://theconversationfactory.com/podcast/the-power-of-nature-to-fuel-creativity-with-warren-berger for the full transcript and video highlights. Warren Berger, a bestselling author and "Questionologist," advocates for reconnecting with deep, purposeful questioning by taking our most important questions into nature—specifically, a 2-hour walk in the woods followed by 3 hours of focused work. He argues that in the digital age, our creativity is being eroded by constant connectivity and AI-generated "good-enough" answers, which prevent us from wrestling with truly meaningful problems. Drawing on Henry David Thoreau's philosophy, Berger promotes this practice as a way to reclaim breakthrough thinking and move beyond surface-level solutions. Beyond the woods-and-work framework, Berger emphasizes the craft of questioning itself—encouraging people to root their questions in deep empathy, design them for maximum impact, and sequence them thoughtfully within conversations. His "Question sandwich" approach demonstrates how context and framing shape how questions land with others, ultimately enabling more powerful and authentic dialogue. Key Moments 00:00 Exploring Creativity and Nature 07:32 The Role of Questions in Organizations 11:23 The Power of Collaborative Inquiry 18:54 Designing Beautiful Questions 23:21 Empathy in Questioning 24:50 The Outside-In Method for Creativity 28:22 Nature's Impact on Creative Thinking 30:30 Balancing Structure and Flexibility in Creativity 34:15 The Commitment to Creativity 39:31 The Role of Companionship in Focus 42:57 Defining Creativity and Its Broad Applications Links Here's a recent NYT article from Warren talking about his experiences with nature's effects on creativity - specifically, an area in Ireland called the Burren. https://archive.ph/tgnrG You can find more information about the Burren Creativity Experiment here. https://www.burrencreativityjournal.com/creative-experiment Here's a NYT article talking about my cousin's company, Caveday, that we mentioned. https://archive.ph/sC7pX
- Sep 10, 202557 min
Leading with Respect with Marcy Syms
Marcy Syms is a pioneering businesswoman and advocate for respect in leadership. She's seen leadership fads come and go. She was a CEO when people still thought "women shouldn't do that sort of thing" And she's done something many folks have never had to endure - shuttering her family's business while making her key creditors whole - an act deeply in line with her core value of respect. Marcy shares insights from her journey in the retail industry, her experiences with leadership dynamics and her advocacy for the Equal Rights Amendment - something she hopes to see made part of the constitution while she's still around to enjoy it! Why Respect? 🗝️Respect drives sustainable growth - respect for your team allows them to feel empowered to be the face of your business and to build the processes and systems that make growth sustainable. 🗝️Giving respect helps you get respect - starting first, leading the conversation with respect at the core helps get things done, especially in times of stress and turbulence. 🗝️Respect is outer behavior and inner work - to make it a core habit and your default behavior takes strategic reflection and personal growth. Check out the full conversation 👇 🎙️ Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3QzcPAW 🍎 Apple: https://apple.co/4ifh6pb 📺YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@danielstillman-TCF-podcast 🌐more episodes at https://theconversationfactory.com/listen And please subscribe on Spotify or iTunes! Also! support the podcast with a monthly contribution here: https://theconversationfactory.com/conversation-factory-insider or a one-time donation here.: https://dastillman.gumroad.com/l/dscoffee Don't have time to watch or listen to the full episode? To learn more about leading conversations more powerfully and beautifully, watch these short clips 👇 👀make respect a habit and start from within https://youtu.be/tmURMgvcnIs 👀How to Respond to Disrespect with Dignity and Strategy https://youtu.be/f21aAalKGLU 👀To Scale you need to Respect your team https://youtube.com/shorts/HczFY9-ASFw 👀Leadership Balances Top Down Strategy and Bottom up Insights https://youtube.com/shorts/57yWfiQtykw 👀Know your board as humans https://youtu.be/eH5Mv95iunE One Takeaway to not forget: Fight for the ERA! Marcy shares how she sees the ERA as the ultimate sign of respect and continues to fight for women's full inclusion in the constitution. Watch here: https://youtu.be/YAbEAqIVxzU Key Links: Marcy's book: Leading with the Respect Marcy's website
- Aug 25, 202557 min
The Seven Everyday Habits for Transforming Systems
Download free chapters from Good Talk and master the art of conversations big and small: https://www.danielstillman.com/good-talk Listen now 👇 🎙️ Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3QzcPAW 🍎 Apple: https://apple.co/4ifh6pb And please subscribe on Spotify or iTunes! Also! support the podcast with a monthly contribution here: https://theconversationfactory.com/conversation-factory-insider or a one-time donation here: https://dastillman.gumroad.com/l/dscoffee Full show notes: https://theconversationfactory.com/listen SUMMARY In this conversation, Adam Kahane discusses the complexities of transforming systems, emphasizing the importance of understanding systems thinking, collaboration, and the role of individual contributions. He shares insights from urban transformation examples, the significance of culture, and the necessity of engaging with systems responsibly. Kahane introduces seven habits for transforming systems, highlighting the importance of finding cracks as opportunities for change and the balance between closeness and distance in understanding systems. KEY TAKEAWAYS Systems can't be transformed without understanding them. Transformation requires many people to do many things. You can't just change a system by force. Look for what's unseen in a system. Forget your perfect offering; there's a crack in everything. Acting responsibly is crucial for transformation. We all have bells we still can ring. Engaging with the system is a collective activity. You can make wiser decisions by understanding others. Change how you think, change how you are. CHAPTERS 00:00 Understanding Systems for Transformation 02:29 The Role of Collaboration in System Change 05:05 Insights from Global Examples 07:46 The Importance of Proximity in System Change 10:10 Cracks and Leverage Points in Systems 12:46 The Journey of Transformation in South Africa 24:31 The Journey of Collective Engagement 24:55 Radical Engagement: Understanding System Transformation 26:13 The Role of Outsiders vs. Insiders 27:41 Spotting Cracks: Micro Interactions in Systems 28:46 The Art of Persuasion vs. Convincing 30:29 Granular Habits for System Transformation 31:41 Relating in Three Dimensions 33:43 Understanding the Seven Habits 39:32 Acting Responsibly in Systems 43:21 Finding Light in the Cracks LINKS Learn more about Adam's work at www.reospartners.com , www.reospartners.com/adamkahane and find him on twitter/X at @adamkahane
- Aug 6, 202549 min
Innovation, Connection, and Conscious Leadership with Othership CEO Robbie Bent
Get free chapters of my book, Good Talk, and master the art of conversations big and small: https://www.danielstillman.com/good-talk Please support the podcast! 💌 subscribe on Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3QzcPAW 💌 iTunes: https://apple.co/4ifh6pb or with a monthly contribution here: https://bit.ly/support-tcf-monthly one-time donation here: https://bit.ly/support-tcf-once Check out the episode page for the full transcript and video highlights. Episode page: https://theconversationfactory.com/podcast/innovation-connection-and-conscious-leadership-with-othership-ceo-robbie-bent AI Summary: Introduction and Connection: Daniel Stillman introduces Robbie Bent, highlighting the connection through mutual acquaintance Robbie Hammond. Inception of OtherShip: Robbie shares the story of starting with a backyard ice bath, fostering community connections without the influence of alcohol. Innovative Experiences: Discussion on unique offerings at OtherShip, such as comedy nights and men's work sessions, blending wellness with entertainment. Creativity and Experimentation: Robbie emphasizes the importance of allowing creativity to emerge through testing and iteration. Challenges and Growth: Insights into the challenges faced in expanding OtherShip, including managing stress and maintaining personal well-being. Community and Relationships: The role of community in personal and business growth, with Robbie working closely with his wife and friends. Facilitating Conversations: The significance of open communication and addressing conflicts early in both personal and professional settings. Future Aspirations: Robbie's excitement about expanding OtherShip and continuing to innovate in the wellness space. Links Othership - https://www.othership.us/ Follow Robbie Bent on Instagram | LinkedIn IG: https://www.instagram.com/robbiebent/?hl=en LI: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robbiebent/
- Jul 24, 202558 min
The Founder's Financial Compass: Navigating Emotions and Assumptions with Fractional CFO Lauren Pearl
Get free chapters of my book, Good Talk, and master the art of conversations big and small: https://www.danielstillman.com/good-talk Please support the podcast! 💌 subscribe on Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3QzcPAW 💌 iTunes: https://apple.co/4ifh6pb or with a monthly contribution here: https://bit.ly/support-tcf-monthly one-time donation here: https://bit.ly/support-tcf-once Check out https://theconversationfactory.com/podcast/the-founders-financial-compass-navigating-emotions-and-assumptions-with-fractional-cfo-lauren-pearl for the full transcript and video highlights. Money! It can be an emotional topic. But, as my guest on today's podcast, fractional CFO Lauren Pearl says, it's emotional for everyone in different ways! In this episode, Lauren reveals her perspectives on how to approach these difficult conversations. Given how many leaders she's worked with, we also explore her thinking about effective leadership, intentional decision-making, and how it's crucial for founders to be endlessly unafraid to ask why. She makes an excellent point in the opening quote: we often listen to respond. And when we respond from that place we're missing a lot of crucial information. It's hard to do but it's so important to take the risk to slow down, to ask why and to be a little bit more vulnerable with what you don't know - it's that inner willingness to face your blind spots that separates the best from the rest. We talk about the life experiences that taught her how to adapt her communication styles for diverse audiences, how she approaches talking with founders about triggering money topics, and we unpack some insights from her course on Business Modelling - how she helps founders turn their core understanding of their business into plain-English business math. I particularly enjoyed Lauren's insights around reframing tough decisions not as losses but as opportunities. We unpacked how shutting down a "pet project" can be reframed not as a loss or a mistake but as a day one decision - ie, we made a choice and a decision one day with the information and the knowledge and insights that we had and today with different knowledge, different insights and different information we're making another decision. We linked this notion back to one of the key ideas in Annie Duke's classic "thinking in bets" - the idea of "resulting", or judging a decision based on its outcome. A good bet is one that a reasonable person with the amount of information we had would have made at that moment, not necessarily one that works out exactly as you'd hoped. And Lauren urges founders to start admiring business leaders who didn't just get lucky once…but ones who repeatedly make smart bets - and can explain why they made them. Strap in! We also unpack some common financial misconceptions, discuss how to be a founder whose advisors can help them, and we unpack some interesting case studies in strategic decision making. Lauren's on-the-fly explanation of some key financial assumptions was dizzying in the best way possible. Links https://www.laurenpearlconsulting.com/ https://www.laurenpearlconsulting.com/newsletter Thinking in Bets by Annie Duke - A Visual Summary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H49lFODYp7g Video Highlights Adapting your communication style on the fly - https://youtu.be/rWtSvkoMkiw The Founder Finance Gap: Managing Emotions and Unearthing Assumptions - https://youtu.be/Dfc8r9BBtyY Using Clear Language to define your Critical Business Math - https://youtu.be/l7oosTdqTLo Admiring Founders
- May 22, 20251h 15m
Join or Die: Behind the Scenes of Creative Collaboration
Get free chapters of my book, Good Talk, and master the art of conversations big and small: https://www.danielstillman.com/good-talk Please support the podcast! 💌 subscribe on Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3QzcPAW 💌 iTunes: https://apple.co/4ifh6pb or with a monthly contribution here: https://bit.ly/support-tcf-monthly one-time donation here: https://bit.ly/support-tcf-once Check out the episode page for the full transcript and video highlights: https://theconversationfactory.com/podcast/join-or-die-behind-the-scenes-of-creative-collaboration Key Chapters 00:00 Growing Up Together: A Family Legacy 02:58 The Birth of a Documentary Idea 06:02 Navigating the Journey: Challenges and Growth 09:02 The Lens of Community: A New Perspective 12:01 Conflict and Collaboration: The Art of Working Together 14:54 The Long Haul: Commitment and Transformation 22:15 The Transformative Power of Art 24:13 Inner Growth Through Creative Confidence 26:32 Finding Hope in Community Engagement 29:56 The Long-Term Commitment to Projects 31:20 Community Screenings as a Tool for Connection 34:10 The Role of Community in Film Distribution 36:20 Best Practices for Effective Gatherings 45:34 Identifying Barriers to Community Engagement 48:15 Building Community Through Shared Activities 49:26 The Importance of Civic Engagement 54:52 Convenience vs. Community 01:00:22 Bridging Political Divides 01:05:38 Lessons from the Past for a Hopeful Future
- Apr 3, 202554 min
Founder-Led Sales and Building Co-founder Relationships
Get free chapters of my book, Good Talk, and master the art of conversations big and small: https://www.danielstillman.com/good-talk Please support the podcast! 💌 subscribe on Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3QzcPAW 💌 iTunes: https://apple.co/4ifh6pb or with a monthly contribution here: https://bit.ly/support-tcf-monthly one-time donation here: https://bit.ly/support-tcf-once Check out the episode page for the full transcript and video highlights. https://theconversationfactory.com/podcast/founder-led-sales-with-parallel-health-ceo-natalise-kalea-robinson We break down: The Importance of Deep and Authentic Conversations and unpack how Natalise fosters honest and open conversations and has worked to build a company culture that reflects these values. Intentional Co-founder Relationship Building: We talk about how Natalise and her co-founder, Nathan Brown, approached building a strong relationship intentionally by having regular in-depth conversations and retreats together in some of their favorite spots. She shares some of her favorite questions to bring into these co-founder conversations. Founder-Led Sales and CEO as Science Translator: Both Natalise and her co-founder Nathan are actively involved in explaining their product to both investors and consumers. We talk about how she approaches adapting her message for different audiences, always striving to put the science ahead of marketing. Highlighting the Potential of Phage Therapy: We dive into some of the science behind phage therapy and its potential as a precise and sustainable alternative to antibiotics. The Value of Open Feedback and Continuous Evolution: Natalise encourages feedback from all levels within her company and believes that good ideas can come from anywhere. She also emphasizes the importance of ongoing communication and alignment between co-founders. Key Chapters 00:00 Exploring the Depth of Conversations 03:01 The Ambivert Spectrum: Understanding Social Dynamics 06:06 Creating Safe Spaces for Honest Conversations 09:01 Feedback Culture: The Art of Positive Feedback 11:57 Building Authentic Relationships in Business 14:57 The Journey of Co-Founders: Nathan and Natalise 21:01 Navigating Vulnerability in Professional Relationships 24:17 Navigating Co-Founder Relationships 30:14 The Art of Communication in Business 37:45 Understanding Phage Technology and Its Impact 46:02 Building Strong Co-Founder Foundations Links https://www.parallelhealth.io/ Parallel Health on TechCrunch: https://techcrunch.com/2023/09/20/parallel-health-takes-a-biotech-forward-approach-to-skincare-with-custom-phage-therapy/ Video Highlight Links 👀Giving Praise with powerful Specificity: https://youtube.com/shorts/5zwdVyJr_mc 👀Leaning into Difficult Cofounder Conversations: https://youtube.com/shorts/MjeDjSIUeDM 👀In Founder-Led Sales, the Marketing Serves the Science:</
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