#163: What does real inclusion look like in the classroom? Supporting neurodivergent students | Interview with Verity Harvey

What if the biggest shift you could make for your most complex students had nothing to do with behaviour charts, consequences, or reward systems — and everything to do with the way you see them? In this episode, I'm sitting down with the incredible Verity Harvey — an educator with over 20 years of experience in inclusion and disability, a passionate advocate for neurodiversity, and one of the keynote speakers I'll be joining at EduTech 2026 here in Sydney (more on that soon!). Verity brings a wealth of experience from early childhood through to complex disability settings, and she is now working in mainstream schools to help educators do inclusion really well. Verity's whole philosophy is built around the idea that behaviour is a message — and that if we can shift from a "behaviour management" lens to a "problem-solving" lens, everything changes. She's deeply influenced by the work of Dr. Ross Greene and his Collaborative Proactive Solutions model, as well as Dr. Bruce Perry's neurosequential framework, and she brings all of that together in a way that is warm, practical, and genuinely actionable. We talk about what Universal Design actually looks like in a busy classroom, why regulation has to come before reasoning (every single time), and why the iceberg analogy isn't just a metaphor — it's the key to depersonalising behaviour and showing up calm for your students. Verity also shares a deeply personal story about her son — a moment at swimming lessons that perfectly illustrates how systems still have a long way to go in understanding and accommodating neurodivergent kids. You're going to want to hear it. In this episode, you'll learn: What Universal Design for Learning actually looks like in a real classroom — not the theory, the tangible stuff The three R's from Dr. Bruce Perry: Regulate → Relate → Reason (and why skipping steps doesn't work) What's really under the surface of big, concerning behaviours — and how understanding it helps you depersonalise and stay regulated yourself How the iceberg analogy applies to kids AND teachers — and what to do with that The one mindset shift that will change how you walk into your classroom tomorrow How school leaders can build systems that actually support teachers to support their most complex students Why "just be kind" isn't quite enough — and what gets in the way of that for even the most compassionate teachers Come and join us at Edutech Sydney 2026! Use code UNTEACH26 for a discount on your event pass. Have a question, comment, or just want to say hello? Drop us a text! RESOURCES AND MORE SUPPORT: Shop all resources Join The Behaviour Club My book! It’s Never Just About the Behaviour: A holistic approach to classroom behaviour management  The Low-Level Behaviour Bootcamp Free guide: 'Chats that Create Change' Connect with me: Follow on Instagram @the.unteachables Check out my website