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The Great Simplification is a podcast that explores the systems science underpinning the human predicament. Through conversations with experts and leaders hosted by Dr. Nate Hagens, we explore topics spanning ecology, economics, energy, geopolitics, human behavior, and monetary/financial systems. Our goal is to provide a simple educational resource for the complex energetic, physical, and social constraints ahead, and to inspire people to play a role in our collective future. Ultimately, we aim to normalize these conversations and, in doing so, change the initial conditions of future events.
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- Today54 min
Saving Bats to Save Ourselves: How to Stop the Tragedy of the Commons with Iroro Tanshi
(Conversation recorded on September 24th, 2026) One in five mammal species on Earth is a bat, yet they remain some of the most overlooked and misunderstood creatures in conservation. Bats pollinate crops, control pests, and spread seeds over large areas. But as climate change pushes temperatures and rainfall to new extremes, many forests are increasingly at risk of catching fire, threatening both the wildlife and communities that depend on them. What happens when the land-management knowledge communities have relied on for generations no longer matches reality, and how can species like bats become the catalysts to realign them? In this episode, Nate is joined by Nigerian bat biologist Iroro Tanshi to explore how the rediscovery of a bat species unseen in Nigeria for 45 years – and a wildfire that destroyed half its habitat just days later – launched a community-led fire prevention program. Iroro explains how listening to farmers, who no longer knew when it was safe to burn their fields, led to a simple fire danger warning system that local leaders then backed with their own bylaws, directly addressing tragedy-of-the-commons dynamics. She also shares what it's like to navigate conversations about climate and biodiversity with rural Nigerian communities, and how her team is now scaling their fire management solution across the tropics. What can a tragedy of the commons in rural Nigeria teach us about collective action everywhere? Why might the people experiencing the worst impacts of climate change also be the ones best equipped to lead the response? And in a world drifting toward extremes, what are the fundamental human practices we'll need to relearn in order to adapt to a future that will look very different from the past? About Iroro Tanshi: Iroro Tanshi is a Nigerian ecologist and conservationist whose work focuses on field biology, biodiversity research, and community-led conservation. She earned a PhD in biology from Texas Tech University, where she also received the Horn Distinguished Professors Graduate Research Award for her work in African biodiversity conservation and community engagement. Tanshi's work in Nigeria led to the 2016 rediscovery of the critically endangered short-tailed roundleaf bat – a species that had not been recorded there for roughly four decades. She helped to spark the "Zero Wildfire Campaign" with local communities in order to end harmful land burning practices that contributed to the decline of key bat populations. In the process she co-founded the Small Mammal Conservation Organization (SMACON), whose work in the Southern Nigeria region continues to conserve both individual species, and the forests and social systems on which biodiversity depends. Tanshi's research and conservation career has earned international recognition – this includes the Future for Nature Award in 2020, the Whitley Award in 2021, the Pritzker Emerging Environmental Genius Award in 2023, the 2026 Goldman Environmental Prize, and being recognized as a National Geographic explorer. Much of her recent work has focused on Afi Mountain Wildlife Sanctuary and other remaining primary forests in southeastern Nigeria, where biodiversity conservation is inseparable from the realities of farming, fire, livelihoods, governance, and local decision-making. Tanshi continues to put into action a social-ecological approach to conservation that treats local communities as collaborators, not obstacles. She prioritizes building trust, aligning incentives, developing local expertise, and making conservation durable through local agency. Thumbnail image credits: Etinosa Yvonne Show Notes and More Watch this video episode on YouTube Want to learn the broad overview of The Great Simplification in 30 minutes? Watch our Animated Movie. --- Support The Institute for the Study of Energy and Our Future Join our Substack newsletter Join our Hylo channel and connect with other listeners
- 5 days ago46 min
7 Ways Growth Ends | Frankly 164
In this week's Frankly, Nate examines the possibility that global economic growth is approaching its limits, reframing it as a historically unusual period in human history enabled by an extraordinary inheritance of fossil fuels. By tracing the relationship between economic output and the energy, materials, and ecological systems that sustain it, Nate uncovers how financial markets, debt, and technological innovation can obscure the physical constraints beneath economic activity, allowing financial claims to expand even as the underlying stocks and flows become harder to access. He outlines seven potential pathways to the end of growth, including how things like geopolitical conflict, social unrest, ecological degradation, catastrophic external events, and cascading systemic failures could expose the fragility of an increasingly interconnected global economy. Rather than attempting to predict a single moment of collapse, Nate investigates the shared vulnerabilities connecting these growth-ending scenarios. He challenges the belief that human ingenuity and technological substitution can overcome every constraint, emphasizing that innovation itself requires a functioning biosphere and a surplus of energy. Ultimately, this episode widens the focus from forecasting collapse to understanding how societies might build resilience today in preparation for a future of reduced material abundance. What happens when the financial promises that underpin economic growth exceed the physical resources available to fulfill them? How can societies adapt to ecological and material limits without deepening inequality or accelerating systemic instability? And what might our societal trajectory look like if progress were measured by the strength of communities and living systems rather than the endless expansion of the economy? (Recorded October 26th, 2026) Show Notes and More Watch this video episode on YouTube Want to learn the broad overview of The Great Simplification in 30 minutes? Watch our Animated Movie. --- Support The Institute for the Study of Energy and Our Future Join our Substack newsletter Join our Hylo channel and connect with other listeners
- 1 weeks ago1h 37m
A Shattered Market?: The Counterintuitive Story of the Hormuz Oil Crisis with Rory Johnston
With headlines reporting that oil exports through the Strait of Hormuz are recovering to pre-war levels, it seems that the oil supply chains have stabilized – yet prices and availability don't tell the same story. Over two billion barrels of expected Middle East production have been lost this year, and even with crude exports increasing, refined products, LNG, and fertilizer still lag. What have we learned from the last eight months, with some of the most extreme geopolitical events we've seen in decades and a market that didn't respond as predicted, and what does it tell us about where we're going next? In this episode, Nate welcomes back oil market analyst Rory Johnston for an update on how the crisis has evolved since April. Rory explains why diesel is now the epicenter of the crisis, with crack spreads running five to six times their historical norm, driven by both the Iran war and Ukraine's strikes on Russian refineries. He also unpacks one of the unexpected moves that lessened the severity of the energy shortage: China's unprecedented 45% cut in crude imports, which he calls the "Beijing Swing." Tying these trends together, Rory and Nate explore how soaring shipping costs have fractured a once-global oil market into regional pockets and how the poorest nations are bearing the brunt of demand destruction. If markets have stayed calm because they expect a surplus on the other side of this war, what happens if that surplus never arrives? Are depleted buffers leaving markets vulnerable to smaller disturbances that could trigger sudden price spikes? And in a world of growing data opacity and political spin, how can we find trustworthy signals about the physical systems our economies depend on? Follow along with Rory's charts used in this conversation here. These slides were prepared on October 21, 2026, the day before the recording. (Conversation recorded on October 22nd, 2026) About Rory Johnston: Rory Johnston is a Toronto-based oil market researcher, the founder of Commodity Context, a lecturer at the University of Toronto's Munk School of Global Affairs and Public Policy, host of the Oil Ground Up podcast, as well as a Fellow with both the Canadian Global Affairs Institute and the Payne Institute for Public Policy at the Colorado School of Mines. He is a leading voice on oil market analysis, advising institutional investors, global policy makers, and corporate decision makers. Prior to founding Commodity Context, Rory led commodity economics research at Scotiabank where he set the bank's energy and metals price forecasts, advised the bank's executives and clients, and sat on the bank's senior credit committee for commodity-exposed sectors. Show Notes and More Watch this video episode on YouTube Want to learn the broad overview of The Great Simplification in 30 minutes? Watch our Animated Movie. --- Support The Institute for the Study of Energy and Our Future Join our Substack newsletter Join our Hylo channel and connect with other listeners
- 1 weeks ago16 min
5 Things That Keep Us Whole: Staying Grounded in an Unraveling World | Frankly 163
In the face of increasing chaos in our world, Nate turns inward in this week's Frankly to examine a more personal question: what allows an individual to remain grounded, authentic, and capable of contributing meaningfully in turbulent times? He draws on his own experience to identify five things that help him build personal resilience, taking care to not treat them as any sort of universal formula. Rather, Nate offers a systems-oriented perspective that recognizes that our capacity to engage with a complex world depends partly on the conditions that sustain us as human beings. For Nate, those conditions begin with self-care and the knowledge that burning oneself out in service of an urgent – although perhaps just – cause undermines the work itself. He explores the need for both structured routines and slack that allows the mind and body to process experiences, rather than remain trapped in a constant state of simulation. He also discusses how time in nature and friendship help reconnect him to a deeper sense of belonging and self, and the importance of meaningful work that directs our time and energy toward the possibility of creating a better future than the default. Nate's five priorities form a sort of personal compass that allows him to navigate uncertainty without losing sight of what makes life worth living – he invites listeners to examine their own experiences in order to discover the conditions that help them show up more fully for themselves, their communities, and the future they hope to build. What are five things from your own life that help you feel like your whole self? How might you redesign your daily life to create more space for the relationships, environments, and practices that sustain you? And if you had more of what genuinely grounds you, what meaningful work might you become capable of doing? (Recorded October 21st, 2026) Show Notes and More Watch this video episode on YouTube Want to learn the broad overview of The Great Simplification in 30 minutes? Watch our Animated Movie. --- Support The Institute for the Study of Energy and Our Future Join our Substack newsletter Join our Hylo channel and connect with other listeners
- 2 weeks ago1h 25m
Earth's Oldest Teachers: How to Live Well on Earth with Robin Wall Kimmerer
Many of us question the core principles of individualism, competition, and transaction our current civilization is founded on. But with an entire culture steeped in these ideals, we don't know where to look for a different way forward. Thankfully, against all odds, there are pockets of cultures who have preserved their knowledge and are able to share both what they know and who their greatest teachers are. In this episode, Nate is joined by Robin Wall Kimmerer to explore what we can learn from some of Earth's oldest and smallest beings: plants. Robin weaves together her experience as a botanist and a Citizen Potawatomi Nation member to offer what she's learned about living well within nature's limits, including practices such as the Honorable Harvest and the importance of restraint and reciprocity. She also shares the Potawatomi prophecy of the Seventh Fire, in which humanity stands at a fork between a scorched path and a green one, and can only move forward by walking back to recover what was lost along the way. Robin frames this moment as the age of remembering – an invitation to restore the land and our relationship with it. What can we learn from the long-term persistence of mosses, and how might it change our own definition of success? How might our relationship with the living world shift if our language treated plants and animals as fellow beings and kin rather than "it"? Lastly, if we reframed our ideas of abundance to be more focused on 'enoughness,' how would it change our choices and expectations for generations to come? (Conversation recorded on September 24th, 2026) About Robin Wall Kimmerer: Robin Wall Kimmerer is a plant ecologist, bryologist, writer, and enrolled member of the Citizen Potawatomi Nation. She is a SUNY Distinguished Teaching Professor of Environmental Biology and the founder and director emeritus of the Center for Native Peoples and the Environment at SUNY College of Environmental Science and Forestry. Her research examines moss ecology, ecological restoration, Traditional Ecological Knowledge, and the restoration of culturally significant plants in partnership with Indigenous communities. Kimmerer holds a BS in botany from SUNY ESF and an MS and PhD in botany from the University of Wisconsin. Her honors include a 2022 MacArthur Fellowship and the 2023 National Humanities Medal. Across her scientific and literary work, she seeks to braid Indigenous knowledge with Western science and to restore not only ecosystems, but the human relationships with land that determine how those ecosystems are treated. Show Notes and More Watch this video episode on YouTube Want to learn the broad overview of The Great Simplification in 30 minutes? Watch our Animated Movie. --- Support The Institute for the Study of Energy and Our Future Join our Substack newsletter Join our Hylo channel and connect with other listeners ---
- 2 weeks ago29 min
7 Rungs of a Runaway System: How Civilization Descended Into Crisis
In this week's Frankly Nate unfurls a metaphorical "ladder" that traces the systems-oriented forces shaping the economic Superorganism. He outlines seven rungs that trickle down to affect the behaviors and events we witness in our daily lives, as well as reinforce humanity's dependence on energy and material growth. These rungs – such as worldview, status symbols, and incentives – help to illustrate that destructive outcomes need not emerge from malicious intent. They can arise from ordinary people responding rationally to the pressures of a system that produces globally irrational results. Nate also confronts a deeper constraint – that the biological drives shaping human behavior cannot simply be redesigned. Our appetite for status, novelty, and relative advantage is deeply rooted, and yet history shows that the cultural scoreboards governing those drives can change. This shifts the focus from reacting to daily events toward reshaping the values and social signals that influence collective behavior. While the most visible problems occupy the surface of the system, Nate argues that the greatest leverage lies in the slower-moving structures and cultural assumptions beneath them. Understanding that distinction may offer a more useful map for deciding at which points to intervene. How do values and status symbols affect the behavior of individuals living under the Superorganism? When you think of the responses to the metacrisis present in your own life, which rung of the ladder are they seeking to address? And what are the implications of the idea that the most slow-changing aspects of our society also hold the most leverage? (Recorded October 13th, 2026) Show Notes and More Watch this video episode on YouTube Want to learn the broad overview of The Great Simplification in 30 minutes? Watch our Animated Movie. --- Support The Institute for the Study of Energy and Our Future Join our Substack newsletter Join our Hylo channel and connect with other listeners
- 3 weeks ago1h 28m
Optionality Collapse: We're Investing in a Future That Won't Exist with Indy Johar
Traditional financial management tells us that, if we invest right, we'll be able to retire and sink into a future of comfort and stability – and even pass on your wealth to your children and grandchildren. But this vision is built on an anomalous period of stability in which climate, energy resources, and labor markets were all predictable. As ecological breakdown, resource conflict, and AI-driven labor disruption begin to feed into one another, that predictability is slipping away. How can we better position hundreds of trillions of dollars in claims on the future to withstand uncertainty in the increasingly volatile world ahead? In this episode, Nate welcomes back Indy Johar, co-founder of Dark Matter Labs, for an exploration of how coupled systemic risks are reshaping capital, institutions, and what it means to invest for the future. Indy explains why most financial forecasting – built on linear, siloed models – misses the compounding, coupled crises we will have to face, and argues that "civilizational optionality" is diminishing, threatening the value of our claims on the future (money). Indy presents the Civilizational Optionality Fund as a way to protect these claims, while also increasing the ability of societies to adapt, mitigate, and respond to crises from various directions. Indy and Nate also discuss their deeper philosophies about humanity, emphasizing doubt and humility as critical mentalities for anyone attempting to navigate a future that will look very different from the past. How much money is currently being saved for a future that isn't even available to buy? How might a "civilizational Sharpe ratio" – one that weighs returns against systemic volatility – change the way wealth is allocated, and broaden how we measure the capital returns? And if moments of crisis are when cultural narratives shift, what can each of us do now to cultivate the ideas, relationships, and courage needed to meet them? (Conversation recorded on September 23rd, 2026) About Indy Johar: Indy Johar is the co-founder of DarkMatterLabs, where he is currently building a stealth initiative to expand civilizational optionality. He is a professor at RMIT University, and the Executive Director of Project 00. An architect by training, he is also Non-Executive Director of the WikiHouse Foundation and Bloxhub, as well as a Vision Keeper at The Collaborative for Systemic Climate action. He writes frequently on his Substack. Show Notes and More Watch this video episode on YouTube Want to learn the broad overview of The Great Simplification in 30 minutes? Watch our Animated Movie. --- Support The Institute for the Study of Energy and Our Future Join our Substack newsletter Join our Hylo channel and connect with other listeners
- 3 weeks ago59 min
Humanity's Icarus Moment: The Wings, the Sea, and the Sun of AI | Frankly 161
This week Nate examines artificial intelligence through the metaphor of Icarus, asking what risks arise when a civilization injects trillions of cognitive workers into a civilization that's already in resource overshoot. Emphasizing that our society already largely ignores the depleting fossil energy that powers our lives, Nate traces how AI could amplify our economic growth imperative rather than help us escape it. He also touches on optimization – how solving solely for efficiency erodes the robustness and slack that allow our human systems to adapt to energy and material descent. The latter part of Nate's analysis turns toward risks related to power concentration and the downstream effects of increased societal integration of AI. He considers the long-term implications of trends like shrinking entry-level opportunities, mounting cognitive debt, and prose averaging out across research, media, and even everyday life. He also dives into potential nearer-term risks like the emergence of technofeudalism and decreasing costs of surveillance. Nate ends the episode by leaving the last risk unnamed, arguing that the most important consequence of transformative technology may be the one nobody can foresee. How do AI "cognitive workers" interact with the logic of the economic Superorganism? What happens when a civilization optimized for growth without accounting for resilience introduces a technology such as AI? And can humanity choose a middle path when the systems driving AI are rewarded for extremes? (Recorded September 27th, 2026) Show Notes and More Watch this video episode on YouTube Want to learn the broad overview of The Great Simplification in 30 minutes? Watch our Animated Movie. --- Support The Institute for the Study of Energy and Our Future Join our Substack newsletter Join our Hylo channel and connect with other listeners
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