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by Peter Winick and Bill Sherman
Welcome to the Leveraging Thought Leadership podcast, a beacon illuminating the paths and possibilities of thought leadership. With your guides, Peter Winick and Bill Sherman, we will embark on a journey into a captivating world where ideas converge with strategy and insight.Where will thought leadership take you?In each episode, we engage with thought leaders from diverse backgrounds. Whether it's professional keynote speaking, writing your own thought leadership book, investigating the niche expertise of specialized consultants, or crossing mental swords with distinguished academics, our guests collectively paint a vivid mosaic of thought leadership's multifaceted potential.Through nuanced perspectives and rich experience, our talented co-hosts aim to offer you views of the ways independent thought leaders navigate success, elevate talent, and change company culture – while simultaneously examining how organizations harness the power of thought leadership to catalyze innovation
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- Yesterday40 min
Building Trust Between Humans and AI in R&D| Jayshree Seth| 740
What does it take for a corporate scientist with zero direct reports to land on a list dominated by business school professors and bestselling authors? That's the question Jayshree Seth had to answer for herself when she was named to the Thinkers50 Radar in 2025 — and her answer became a framework. In her third appearance on the show, Jayshree Seth, 3M's Chief Science Advocate and now-published trilogy author, returns to catch listeners up on a remarkable stretch: a Thinkers50 keynote, a panel alongside Amy Edmondson, an HBR collaboration on trust and AI, and the release of her third book, The Heart of Science: Engineering Blueprint. The conversation moves through several of Jayshree's signature acronym-driven frameworks. There's METRICS-OPTICS-RUBRICS-ENERGETICS, born from reflecting on how she — an engineer with no traditional management credentials — ended up on a list built for management thinkers. There's the "three Cs" that block innovation: copy-pasting, catchphrositis, and cherry-picking, delivered as her Thinkers50 keynote. And there's VIABLE, her personal-branding framework built around voice and visibility, image and impact, backstory and behaviors, and experience and exposure. Beyond the frameworks, this is a conversation about the mechanics of building a reputation from inside a technical role. Jayshree traces the specific chain of relationships — a mention in David Epstein's book Range, an introduction to Rita McGrath, an eventual collaboration with Amy Edmondson on psychological safety and "intelligent failure" applied to human-AI trust — that turned an internal 3M scientist into an external voice cited in Harvard Business Review and Fast Company. Bill and Jayshree also dig into what it means to write a book for three different audiences at once — emerging thought leaders, established experts, and Hall of Fame-level veterans — and why friction in that process is often a sign you're doing it right. The episode closes with a reflection on responsibility: once you have an audience, thought leadership isn't a hobby, it's a discipline that has to coexist with a full-time job. If you've ever wondered whether your expertise "counts" as thought leadership because it didn't come with a traditional credential, this one's for you. Three Key Takeaways: • Being different can be your competitive advantage, not a liability. Jayshree's METRICS-OPTICS-RUBRICS-ENERGETICS framework argues that outsiders to a field — like an engineer among management thinkers — don't need to conform to existing rubrics. Changing the measurement, the framing, and the energy you bring can alter who gets to lead a conversation. • Reaching out to "inaccessible" experts is a discipline, not a gamble. Jayshree's collaborations with Amy Edmondson, Rita McGrath, and others didn't start with credentials — they started with cold outreach after reading an article or hearing a podcast. The lesson: most thought leaders are more accessible than they appear, and it's okay if they say no. • A personal brand for thought leadership rests on delivery, not image. Her VIABLE framework (voice/visibility, image/impact, backstory/behaviors, experience/exposure) puts the emphasis on tangible results and consistent values over aesthetics — visibility only amplifies a brand that already has substance behind it. This episode isn't just an interview — it's a live example of the ideas in Bill's brand-new book, The Thought Leadership Handbook, co-written with Peter Winick and Naren Aryal. Jayshree's journey — from in-house corporate scientist to Thinkers50 Radar honoree — is practically a case study for the book's core idea: that thought leadership follows identifiable patterns, not luck. In fact, the book itself draws on more than 700 conversations from this very podcast, and organizes those stories into five thought leadership "avatars" — Jayshree's path as an In-House Expert turned public voice fits right into that framework. If her VIABLE branding model resonated with you, the Handbook goes deeper into exactly how experts like her make that leap from personal effort to public influence. <br /
- 4 days ago25 min
Why Your Book's ROI Isn't Book Sales | Zach Kristensen | 739
Here's an uncomfortable truth for anyone thinking about writing a book: the profit from the book itself is usually a rounding error. The real return shows up somewhere else entirely — and this episode, featuring publishing strategist Zach Kristensen, is about figuring out where. Zach has spent 15 years inside the thought leadership publishing world, first at FranklinCovey helping build out titles like The 4 Disciplines of Execution, and now running his own publishing and author-coaching practice, Juxtabook. His new book, Trust Me, I'm an Author, distills what he's learned working with over a hundred nonfiction authors, and the central idea is disarmingly simple: a book is a shortcut to trust. Not universal trust — domain-specific trust. When someone reads your book, or even just knows you wrote one, they've already decided you know what you're talking about in your area of expertise. That self-selection changes everything about how a sales conversation starts. Instead of spending four calls explaining who you are, you're starting on third base. But getting there is the hard part, and Zach doesn't sugarcoat it. He lays out why "who is this book for" is a psychographic question, not a demographic one — and why skipping that step means spinning your wheels indefinitely. He also breaks down a practical marketing timeline: 80% writing / 20% promotion while you're drafting, flipping to 20/80 as launch approaches, with a six-month runway to build your platform before the book ever hits shelves. There's also a candid discussion about "fit" — why author-coach relationships fail when there's no shared willingness to collaborate, and why Zach will tell a prospective client, plainly, when he's not the right fit. And there's a genuinely useful reframe on ROI: instead of asking how many books you need to sell, Zach suggests asking how many new clients would make the whole thing worth it. The math gets a lot less intimidating fast. If you've been circling the idea of writing a book — or you've written one and aren't sure what to do next — this conversation with Zach Kristensen gives you a framework for both. Three Key Takeaways: • A book is a shortcut to trust, not a universal one. People don't need to trust you generally — they need to trust your expertise in the specific domain the book covers. That narrow, earned trust is what gets a prospect to self-select into a conversation already believing in your point of view. • Psychographics beat demographics for identifying your audience. Age, income, and geography are the "lazy" way to define a reader. The harder, more valuable work is understanding mindset — growth-oriented, risk-tolerant, ready to change — because that's what actually predicts who will act on your book. • A book's ROI isn't units sold — it's the business it generates. Instead of chasing bestseller lists, calculate how many new clients or opportunities would make the book a success, then work backward. The profit margin on the book itself is usually negligible; the downstream business impact is the real return. If Zach's idea that "a book is a shortcut to trust" resonated with you, you'll want to check out The Thought Leadership Handbook: How the Experts Elevate Their Big Ideas—And How You Can Too, by Bill Sherman, Peter Winick, and Naren Aryal. Drawing on more than 700 conversations from this very podcast, the book takes the patterns Zach describes — building trust through expertise, finding your audience, and turning ideas into influence — and expands them into a full framework, including five distinct thought leadership avatars to help you see where you fit. It's the natural next step after hearing Zach's take on what it actually takes to build authority through a book. Pick up The Thought Leadership Handbook wherever books are sold, including Amazon, Barnes & Noble, and Amplify Publishing.<
- 1 weeks ago20 min
Translating Academic Research Into Real Business Impact | Nathan Bennett | 738
What actually happens when academic research meets the boardroom? Peter Winick sits down with Nate Bennett — professor of management and faculty director of the Executive MBA program at Georgia State University's J. Mack Robinson College of Business — for a candid look at the gap between what business scholars know and what business leaders actually use. Bennett has spent his career straddling three audiences: students preparing to lead, practicing managers looking for answers, and fellow academics who reward each other for depth over accessibility. He explains why so much scholarly work is, by design, written for a room of a handful of other researchers — and why that's not necessarily a flaw. The real skill, he argues, is knowing how to translate that work for people who don't have the patience for a slow academic build. In front of executives, you have to get to the punchline fast. But speed isn't the whole story: Bennett makes the case that curiosity and humility matter just as much as expertise, and that professors who walk into a room assuming they have nothing left to learn rarely land well. The conversation also turns to a subject on every thought leader's mind right now: AI. Bennett doesn't mince words about what's happened to platforms like LinkedIn, where he says the signal-to-noise ratio has collapsed under a wave of AI-generated posts. His take on the right way to use the technology is refreshingly practical — think of it as an invisible assistant, not a ghostwriter. He shares how he uses AI to reformat dense research into readable tables, and reflects on what schools should really be protecting when they worry about students using it to cut corners: not information recall, but the ability to think and read. This is a conversation for anyone trying to figure out where real expertise ends and real relevance begins — and what to keep, and what to let AI handle, along the way. Three Key Takeaways: • Academics write for three different audiences, and confusing them is a common trap. Scholarly work aimed at moving other researchers doesn't automatically translate into insight a practicing manager can use — the two require different pacing, structure, and even goals. • Curiosity and humility outperform "having the answer." Entering a room of executives assuming you're there to fill them with knowledge shuts the exchange down; entering curious, and open to having your thinking shaped by the room, produces a far better session. • The best use of AI is invisible. Rather than publishing AI-generated takes, the more valuable approach is using AI behind the scenes — as a tireless research and formatting assistant — while what actually gets published still reflects the author's own thinking. If Nate's take on translating dense expertise into ideas people actually act on resonated with you, that's exactly the terrain Peter Winick, Bill Sherman, and Naren Aryal cover in The Thought Leadership Handbook. Drawing on more than 700 conversations from this very podcast, the book lays out the same tension this episode explored — how to build ideas rigorous enough to hold up and accessible enough to spread — into a practical framework you can apply to your own thinking. Order The Thought Leadership Handbook today on Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Bookshop, or directly from Amplify, and learn more at thoughtleadershiphandbook.com.
- 1 weeks ago28 min
Leading Through Uncertainty: What Crisis Really Reveals | Tom Kolditz & Mariana Khomitska | 737
What separates a leader from someone who just holds a title? This episode goes looking for the answer with two people who've watched that question get answered under real pressure: retired Brigadier General Tom Kolditz, who spent 40 years building leaders at West Point, Yale, and Rice, and Mariana Khomitska, a Ukrainian leadership development expert who has spent the last several years watching leadership get tested in wartime. Their new book, Against the Storm: How True Leaders Prevail When the World Shakes, comes out September 15 — and this conversation gets at the "why" behind it. Mariana makes a distinction that reframes the whole discussion: leadership isn't about the title or the paycheck. It's what happens when someone can't stand aside. She shares a striking example from Ukraine's energy sector, where teams under shelling did "the job for three" — not because they were told to, but because leaders had built enough trust, presence, and transparent communication that people wanted to step up. Tom brings the counterpart to that: you can't build trust in the moment a crisis hits. You have to be putting "money in the bank" every single day, long before you need it. That idea — what he calls the time value of leader development — runs through the whole conversation, along with a candid look at how the book's structure came together: real crisis stories paired with the core leadership techniques Tom has taught for decades. This isn't a book only for executives navigating a market downturn. As Mariana puts it, everyone can find something useful here — for their team, their family, their community. It's a conversation about what authentic leadership actually costs, and why it's worth paying that cost before you're forced to. Three Key Takeaways: • Trust is "money in the bank" — you can't build it in a crisis. Tom Kolditz frames leadership preparation like a financial investment: leaders who build trust and communication habits daily are the ones who have something to draw on when uncertainty hits. • Authentic leadership shows up because it can't stand aside, not because of a title. Mariana Khomitska argues that crisis strips away the trappings of leadership (status, salary, formal authority) and reveals who leads simply because someone has to. • Leadership development compounds like an interaction effect. Tom explains that developing leaders in multiple areas — like communication and decision-making — doesn't just improve each skill in isolation; the skills interact and multiply each other's impact over time. This episode isn't just a conversation about crisis leadership — it's a live example of thought leadership in action, watching two experts take decades of lived experience and turn it into a book that can scale far beyond their own careers. If you want the playbook behind that process, pick up The Thought Leadership Handbook: How the Experts Elevate Their Big Ideas—and How You Can Too, written by your hosts Bill Sherman and Peter Winick along with publishing expert Naren Aryal. Drawing on more than 700 conversations just like this one, it breaks down the frameworks experts use to move an idea from personal insight to lasting influence. You can find it on Amazon, Bookshop.org, Amplify or wherever books are sold.
- 2 weeks ago41 min
Rivers, Rocks, and Rubies: A New Career Model | Dan Pontefract | 736
Here's an uncomfortable question: if you replaced "Gen X" with a racial or ethnic label in a hiring conversation, would anyone tolerate it? Dan Pontefract — leadership and corporate culture strategist, six-time author, and former Chief Learning Officer at SAP and TELUS — thinks the answer says a lot about how casually organizations discriminate by age. In this conversation, Dan traces the arc that led to his sixth book, The Future of Work Is Grey — from a "reverse ageism" encounter as a 26-year-old college administrator to a career-defining moment when, at 51, a longtime speaker bureau dropped him because they were "refreshing the roster." That sting, he admits, forced a reckoning: for two decades as a chief learning officer, he'd poured development dollars into younger employees without ever questioning who got left out. The centerpiece of the episode is Dan's "Rivers, Rocks, and Rubies" framework — a model for career stages that replaces rigid generational labels (Gen Z, Millennial, Boomer) with a fluid, non-linear way of understanding where people are in their working lives, regardless of age. He also cites new polling data on how dramatically less likely companies are to hire older candidates for AI-related roles, despite AI itself being only a few years old. Beyond the book, Dan and Peter dig into the business realities of running a solo thought leadership practice: why Dan resists being boxed into one topic, how he splits revenue across keynotes, workshops, and consulting, and why speaker bureaus often struggle to sell someone who doesn't fit a single, easily marketed lane. This one's for anyone who manages people across generations, anyone building an independent expert career, or anyone who's ever wondered whether the workplace quietly wrote them off too soon. Three Key Takeaways: • Age bias hides in plain sight in training budgets. Organizations routinely front-load learning and development spend on younger employees while quietly deprioritizing workers past 45 — a pattern Dan admits he ran for years as a CLO without questioning it. • The Rivers, Rocks, and Rubies framework replaces generational labels with career stage. Instead of sorting people by birth year, Dan argues everyone moves through fluid (river), stable (rock), and wisdom (ruby) phases at their own pace — and no phase is superior to another. • A multi-topic thought leadership brand is harder to sell but more sustainable. Dan's refusal to niche down to one keynote topic makes him a tougher pitch for speaker bureaus, but it's let him build a business across consulting, workshops, and keynotes rather than one repeatable speech. Dan's episode is a case study in exactly what Peter, Bill Sherman, and Naren Aryal explore in The Thought Leadership Handbook: a powerful idea — in this case, that age is an asset organizations are squandering, not a liability to manage around — only creates impact once it's shaped, packaged, and built into a sustainable business. Dan's Rivers, Rocks, and Rubies framework, his refusal to niche down to one keynote topic, and his deliberate choice to run a solo practice rather than scale a firm are all decisions the Handbook helps thought leaders navigate in their own work. If this conversation had you thinking about how to package your own expertise for a crowded market, The Thought Leadership Handbook is the field guide. Order it today at Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Bookshop, or Amplify, or learn more at <a href= "https://thoughtleadershiphandbook.com/" target="
- 3 weeks ago20 min
How Career Pivots Really Happen | Mary Olson-Menzel | 735
What does it actually take to build a coaching methodology that thousands of people rely on? According to Mary Olson-Menzel, Founder and CEO of MVP Executive Development and author of the national bestseller What Lights You Up? Illuminate Your Path and Take the Next Big Step in Your Career, it wasn't a strategic plan. It was fourteen years of watching. This episode traces Mary's career from local TV news reporter through executive recruiting to founding her own coaching practice, one built on pattern recognition rather than a whiteboard plan. Mary describes herself as a kind of "business anthropologist" — someone who spent years sitting inside the career transitions of hundreds of people at MVP, noticing what worked and what didn't, long before she ever called it a methodology. When her husband pointed out she was doing all this work for free, that observation became a business, and eventually, her book. But the conversation with host Peter Winick doesn't stop at origin story. Peter pushes into the weirder mechanics of the thought leadership business: why a book is a strange kind of product, one that can be a commercial failure by publishing standards and still be the single best lead-generation tool a coach ever built. They talk through the tension every author faces between reaching the broadest audience and reaching the audience that pays the most, and why "low ticket to high ticket" isn't really a ladder so much as a portfolio. The most memorable moment might be the one neither of them planned for: a call from a prison reentry program, using What Lights You Up? to help incarcerated women build a path back to meaningful work. It's a reminder that thought leadership, once it leaves your hands, often does things you never designed it to do. If you're building your own methodology, writing a book, or trying to figure out how the pieces of your business are supposed to fit together, this one's worth the listen. Three Key Takeaways: • Methodologies get discovered, not designed. Our guest didn't set out to build a coaching framework — it emerged from years of "business anthropology," watching hundreds of career transitions unfold and noticing the patterns clients couldn't see in themselves. • A book's commercial success and its business value aren't the same metric. A book can sell modestly by publishing standards while still generating a waiting list of high-paying clients — the real ROI shows up in the funnel it builds, not the royalty check. • Thought leadership travels further than you plan for it to. Content built for one audience (in this case, corporate professionals) can end up serving entirely unexpected populations — in this episode's case, a prison reentry program — which is a sign the ideas have real, durable value. If this conversation had you thinking about the difference between a book that sells and a book that actually builds a business, Peter's own book is the natural next stop. The Thought Leadership Handbook: How the Experts Elevate Their Big Ideas—and How You Can Too, co-written with Bill Sherman and Naren Aryal, draws on more than 700 conversations just like this one to map out exactly what Mary Olson-Menzel described living through: how experts turn hard-won pattern recognition into a repeatable methodology, and how that methodology gets shaped into a book, a platform, and a business. It's the playbook behind the questions Peter was asking in this episode. Pick up The Thought Leadership Handbook at Amazon, Bookshop, Barnes & Noble, or Amplify Publishing, or learn more at <a href="http://thoughtleadershiphandbook.com/" target="_blank" rel
- 4 weeks ago18 min
The Difference Between Opinion and Real Thought Leadership | Lisa Bodell | 734
She was skeptical about writing a book for years. Not because she lacked ideas — because she'd watched too many people write books for their ego rather than for their reader. In this episode, Bill Sherman sits down with Lisa Bodell, CEO of futurethink and bestselling author of Kill the Company and Why Simple Wins, to talk about what actually happens between "I should write a book" and "I finally did." It's not the tidy origin story most authors tell. Lisa walks through the real arc: the excitement of a new idea, the trough of doubt that follows ("Oh my God, this sucks. What am I doing?"), and the slow climb back out. It took a CEO telling her directly — get this into a book — before she finally said yes. Even then, she describes the process as "easy, hard, transformative," all at once. The conversation turns into something bigger than book-writing advice. Bill and Lisa dig into what separates real thought leadership from the noise flooding LinkedIn and social feeds right now. Their shared conviction: an opinion isn't thought leadership. Only lived, tested experience earns you the right to speak — and if you have something of real value, staying silent isn't neutral. Someone else will fill that space, often with ideas that sound smart but have no practical foundation underneath them. They also get honest about imposter syndrome — something Lisa says never fully goes away, even after decades on the world's biggest stages and inside the highest levels of government and Fortune 500 leadership. The fix isn't confidence. It's proof: doing the work long enough that you can defend it when someone pushes back. If you're sitting on an idea you're not sure is "ready," or you're wondering whether the publishing world still rewards vulnerability over polish, this episode will change how you think about the whole process. It's a grounded, generous conversation about what it actually costs — and what it's worth — to put your ideas into the world. Three Key Takeaways: • An opinion is not thought leadership. Lisa draws a hard line: you earn the right to speak on something only after you've actually done the work and understand what people go through — not from reading about it or having a hot take. • Imposter syndrome doesn't disappear with success — you work through it, not around it. Lisa describes years of testing and bulletproofing her ideas before publishing, until she realized the real question wasn't "am I ready?" but "how much more proof do I need before I take the leap?" • Vulnerability has replaced pure authority as the credibility standard. Both Bill and Lisa note that today's most resonant business books admit what didn't work, not just what did — inviting readers in rather than lecturing from on high. Bill knows firsthand what Lisa is describing in this episode — because he lived it. His own book, The Thought Leadership Handbook: How the Experts Elevate Their Big Ideas—and How You Can Too, co-written with Peter Winick and Naren Aryal, grew out of the exact same doubt, discipline, and vulnerability Lisa unpacks here. Drawing on more than 700 conversations from this very podcast, the book turns those lived, tested stories into practical frameworks — including five "thought leadership avatars" — for anyone trying to move from having an idea to actually building influence with it. If Lisa's honesty about imposter syndrome and the messy middle of writing resonated with you, this handbook picks up right where that conversation leaves off, with the tools to get you through it. Pick up The Thought Leadership Handbook published by Amplify Publishing Group, wherever books are sold — including Amazon and Bookshop.org.
- Aug 20, 202622 min
Why Personal Branding Isn't About You At All | Vanessa Errecarte | 733
"Personal brand" might be the most cringe-inducing phrase in business vocabulary. Say it out loud to a room of accomplished professionals and watch the shoulders tense — it sounds like self-promotion, follower counts, and algorithm-chasing. Vanessa Errecarte, Founder of Marketing Simplified, the UC Davis Graduate School of Management lecturer who built one of the nation's only for-credit MBA courses on the subject, thinks the term isn't wrong — it's just been hijacked. Her argument is simple but reframes everything: a personal brand was never about you. It's about intriguing people with what you know. Errecarte walks through how she teaches this to students who assume they need one more degree, one more title, or ten more years of experience before they've "earned" a point of view — and why that assumption is backwards. Disney didn't wait to explain who Walt Disney was before telling the story of a mouse and an idea. Neither should you. The conversation gets tactical fast. Errecarte shares the story of a Master's student — a Division I pitcher with "no experience" — who discovered his own expertise by describing how he coaches Little League kids through overcoming self-consciousness on the mound. The insight wasn't buried in a resume; it just needed the right questions to surface it. That's the throughline of Errecarte's approach: frameworks, not talent alone, are what make thought leadership teachable and repeatable. She and Peter also dig into why hesitancy is a signal worth paying attention to rather than a reason to stay quiet, why a small audience is actually the ideal place to test new ideas, and why AI is compressing the timeline for professionals to move from "great at the skill" to "great at the thought." If you've ever bristled at the phrase "personal brand" but suspected your best ideas were going unheard, this episode offers a genuinely different way to think about it — and a workable starting point for the back half of a career. Three Key Takeaways: • Personal branding is about service, not self-promotion. The most memorable professionals aren't the ones broadcasting their credentials — they're the ones sharing what they know in a way that helps others think more clearly. Reframing "personal brand" as "what value can I offer" removes most of the discomfort people feel about it. • You don't need more experience to have a point of view. Errecarte's framework helps people — from first-year MBA students to seasoned executives — surface expertise they already have but don't recognize as valuable. The right questions, not more credentials, are usually what's missing. • Treat your career like a lab, especially early on. A small audience is a feature, not a limitation — it's where you can test ideas, get honest feedback, and build confidence before the stakes get higher. Waiting for a "finished" idea before sharing anything publicly is a bigger risk than sharing something imperfect. If this conversation got you thinking about how to actually build and scale your own expertise, Peter's new book is the natural next step. The Thought Leadership Handbook, written with co-authors Bill Sherman and Naren Aryal, breaks down exactly what it takes to shape, package, and scale your ideas in a crowded market — the same "framework over talent" thinking Vanessa talked about today, applied to your whole body of work. It's available now at Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Bookshop, and Amplify, and you can learn more at thoughtleadershiphandbook.com.
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Welcome to the Leveraging Thought Leadership podcast, a beacon illuminating the paths and possibilities of thought leadership. With your guides, Peter Winick and Bill Sherman, we will embark on a journey into a captivating world where ideas converge with strategy and insight.Where will thought leadership take you?In each episode, we engage with thought leaders from diverse backgrounds. Whether it's professional keynote speaking, writing your own thought leadership book, investigating the niche expertise of specialized consultants, or crossing mental swords with distinguished academics, our guests collectively paint a vivid mosaic of thought leadership's multifaceted potential.Through nuanced perspectives and rich experience, our talented co-hosts aim to offer you views of the ways independent thought leaders navigate success, elevate talent, and change company culture – while simultaneously examining how organizations harness the power of thought leadership to catalyze innovation
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