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Divergent States cuts through psychedelic hype with grounded, curious conversations about what these substances actually do. Hosted by 3L1T3, founder of r/Psychonaut, the world’s largest psychedelic harm-reduction community, and co-hosted by Bryan, a USMC veteran and advocate for psychedelic healing, the show brings together lived experience, science, and culture without losing its sense of humor. This isn’t a spiritual podcast. This isn’t a marketing platform. No mysticism. No sales pitch. Just real conversations, harm reduction, and honest questions. We explore how psychedelics shape mental health, creativity, and society, from underground use and peer-support communities to clinical trials, therapy rooms, and shifting public attitudes. Some episodes get serious. Some get weird. All of them are grounded in respect for the people actually taking these substances and living with the outcomes. Guests include Rick Doblin, Reggie Watts, Leonard Pickard, Anne Wagner, Hamilton Morris, and Rick Strassman. Divergent States is built on the same principles that made r/Psychonaut work at scale: curiosity without gullibility, openness without losing your footing, and safety without killing the joy. If you’re looking for guru worship, this isn’t your show. If you’re looking for thoughtful, funny, and grounded conversations about psychedelics and the lives they touch, welcome to Divergent States.
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- 2 weeks ago1h 6m
A History of Magic Mushrooms | Andy Letcher
Magic mushrooms may have one of the strangest histories of any psychedelic. They have been connected to prehistoric Europeans, Druids, Vikings, ancient mystery cults, shamans, witches, and even Santa Claus. But how much of that history can we actually prove? In the first installment of our History of Psychedelics series, we sit down with Andy Letcher, author of Shroom: A Cultural History of the Magic Mushroom, to separate the documented history of psilocybin mushrooms from the mythology that ...
- Oct 5, 20261h 1m
Divergent States Special Report: Robert Rush on the DEA’s Psychedelic Scheduling Proposal
What evidence should justify placing a psychedelic substance in Schedule I, and what happens to research when those restrictions take effect? Attorney Robert T. Rush joins 3L1T3 and Bryan to discuss the DEA’s proposal to schedule five tryptamines: 4-OH-DiPT, 5-MeO-AMT, 5-MeO-MiPT, 5-MeO-DET, and DiPT. Rush explains his objections to the government’s evidence, the potential consequences for researchers, and his work defending cognitive liberty. We also revisit the disputed use of Reddit posts ...
- Sep 22, 202659 min
Reality Is Weird Enough: Psychedelic Realism with Danny Forde
When a psychedelic experience feels profoundly true, does that mean it actually tells us something true? Danny Forde, author of Phenomenology of Psychedelic Experiences, joins Divergent States to explore what happens when we take psychedelic experience seriously as an experience rather than reducing it entirely to brain activity or hallucination. We start with phenomenology itself: what it means to examine consciousness from the standpoint of experience, and why psychedelics may offer an unus...
- Sep 9, 20261h 6m
The Missing Piece of Psychedelics: Global Psychedelic Society on Community
What if one of the biggest things missing from the modern psychedelic conversation isn't another drug, therapy, or clinical protocol, but community? In this episode of Divergent States, 3L1T3 sits down with Mike Margolies of the Global Psychedelic Society, a worldwide network connecting hundreds of local psychedelic communities. They explore what community can provide that a clinic can't, and why problems like isolation, addiction, depression, and trauma can't always be understood solely at t...
- Aug 25, 20261h 0m
Portals vs. Pathways: The Real Work After Psychedelics | Jonathan Schecter
There’s a big difference between having a psychedelic experience and actually doing something with it. Jonathan Schecter, host of Vital Point: Pathways to Integration and founder of Pathways Integration, joins us to talk about what happens after the breakthrough. Drawing from his own experiences with psychedelics, meditation, Buddhism, breathwork, somatic practices, and integration coaching, Jonathan explores the gap between having an insight and actually changing your life. We talk about why...
- Aug 11, 20261h 6m
The Counterculture of Aging: Abbie Rosner on Psychedelics and Elderhood
What can psychedelics offer when the question is no longer “Who am I becoming?” but “What do I do with the life I’ve already lived?” Abbie Rosner, author of Psychedelics and the Counterculture of Aging, joins 3L1T3 and Bryan for a grounded conversation about psychedelic use among older adults and the possibility of reimagining later life as a period of healing, meaning, creativity, intimacy, and renewed purpose. Drawing on conversations with 36 older psychonauts, Abbie discusses how maturity ...
- Jul 21, 202658 min
Naked Out Loud: Machan Taylor on Memory, Music, and MDMA Therapy
Machan Taylor has spent a lifetime using her voice. As a singer, songwriter, performer, and author of Naked Out Loud, she has worked with artists including Pink Floyd, Pat Benatar, George Benson, Hiroshima, Foreigner, and more. But this conversation is not about the glamorous parts of a music career. It is about memory, trauma, identity, and the parts of ourselves we leave behind. Machan joins 3L1T3 and Bryan for a grounded conversation about her memoir, her childhood in Japan, the grief of l...
- Jul 7, 20261h 3m
The Art of Psychedelic Peer Support | Zendo Project
What actually happens when a psychedelic experience becomes overwhelming in the middle of a concert, festival, or crowded event? 3L1T3 and Bryan sit down with Case Newsom, emergency medicine physician and medical director of the Zendo Project, to explore the practical art of psychedelic peer support. Case explains why helping someone through a difficult trip often means resisting the urge to take control, offering simple choices, and creating enough safety for the experience to unfold. They a...
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About Divergent States
Divergent States cuts through psychedelic hype with grounded, curious conversations about what these substances actually do. Hosted by 3L1T3, founder of r/Psychonaut, the world’s largest psychedelic harm-reduction community, and co-hosted by Bryan, a USMC veteran and advocate for psychedelic healing, the show brings together lived experience, science, and culture without losing its sense of humor. This isn’t a spiritual podcast. This isn’t a marketing platform. No mysticism. No sales pitch. Just real conversations, harm reduction, and honest questions. We explore how psychedelics shape mental health, creativity, and society, from underground use and peer-support communities to clinical trials, therapy rooms, and shifting public attitudes. Some episodes get serious. Some get weird. All of them are grounded in respect for the people actually taking these substances and living with the outcomes. Guests include Rick Doblin, Reggie Watts, Leonard Pickard, Anne Wagner, Hamilton Morris, and Rick Strassman. Divergent States is built on the same principles that made r/Psychonaut work at scale: curiosity without gullibility, openness without losing your footing, and safety without killing the joy. If you’re looking for guru worship, this isn’t your show. If you’re looking for thoughtful, funny, and grounded conversations about psychedelics and the lives they touch, welcome to Divergent States.
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