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Ranked as one of Apple’s Top 10 Social Science podcasts, Therapist Uncensored delivers trusted, science-backed insights on mental health and secure relationships. With over 11 million downloads worldwide, this female-led, independent podcast puts you right in the therapy room, making powerful psychological insights accessible and actionable. Co-hosts Sue Marriott, LCSW CGP and Ann Kelley, PhD break down complex ideas into practical wisdom you can use immediately. They’re joined by top neuroscientists, world-renown relationship experts and outside-the-box perspectives to share cutting-edge research and strategies for building stronger connections with yourself and others. Shownotes at www.therapistuncensored.com Transform how you understand your mind, your relationships, and yourself.
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Patreon/Supercast Special Release – Bonus – The Art of Allowing: Psychedelics, Breathwork & Expanded States (311) This is a sneak peek of our episode with Patty Nagle – available only on our Premium Supercast and Patreon platforms. For as little as $5/month you can have access to special releases like this one, first-to-know about upcoming events and discounts and an ad-free feed. Click here to join & finish the episode!! Licensed mental health counselor and breathwork facilitator, Patty Nagle, explores the practice of “allowing”—slowing down, releasing the need to constantly effort, and creating space for new possibilities. Patty discusses expanded states of consciousness through psychedelics, breathwork, and nature, and explains how these experiences can interrupt deeply ingrained patterns and open the door to change. Alongside co-host Sue Marriott, the two share the importance of preparation, safety, discernment, and integration, and why the real work often begins after the experience. Timestamps for The Art of Allowing: Psychedelics, Breathwork & Expanded States of Consciousness (311) 03:04 Surrender and allowing as a healing practice 05:26 Bringing expanded consciousness into the world 08:38 What is an expanded state of consciousness? 09:15 Methods to induce expanded states: breathwork, nature, psychedelics 11:07 The spectrum of expanded states and their effects 13:43 The potential and risks of psychedelics 17:21 The importance of slow down and integration 21:16 Candidates and contraindications for psychedelic work 23:07 Managing adverse experiences and set and setting 32:32 The history and cultural significance of psychedelics 39:40 The process of integration and touchstones 50:39 Opportunities and offerings for learning and community About our Guest – Patty Nagle, LMHC Patty Nagle is a Licensed Mental Health Counselor (LMHC) and certified Grof® Breathwork facilitator who supports individuals navigating the complex, beautiful, and often bewildering territory of healing and transformation. She specializes in helping people prepare for and integrate expanded states of consciousness—including psychedelic experiences—offering grounded, heart-centered guidance for those walking the path of inner exploration. Patty’s approach is rooted in transpersonal and Jungian psychology, deep listening, and a healthy respect for the fact that the healing process rarely follows a straight line. Before becoming a therapist, she spent many years in nonprofit management. That experience continues to inform her therapeutic approach, w
Attachment repair is a skill, not just insight. Swedish clinical psychologist and SecureBase Lab founder Martin Jonsson explores how attachment healing extends beyond individual therapy and into relationships and community. Martin shares how peer support, shared experiences, and practical secure-relating skills can create opportunities for attachment repair, while exploring the roles of spirituality, sexuality, and belonging in building deeper, more secure connections. “Community is about horizontal empathy, not hierarchy.” – Martin Jonsson Attachment Isn’t Solo Work: Healing Through Community with Martin Jonsson (310) 02:21 Spirituality and its role in therapy 09:21 Community as a space for attachment repair 11:23 Difference between groups and communities 14:54 Horizontal empathy and attachment in community 19:56 The integration of attachment theory in recovery models 22:26 Peer support and corrective emotional experiences 25:52 Language of attachment and shared understanding 28:27 Accessibility and inclusivity in attachment work 30:44 Sexuality and attachment patterns 34:09 Impact of attachment on intimacy and boundaries 40:44 Working with unconscious shadow aspects in community 45:16 The role of mentalization and affect regulation 49:38 Resources and upcoming workshops About our Guest – Martin Jonsson Martin Jonsson is a licensed clinical psychologist, educator, and founder of Secure Base Lab, an attachment-informed therapeutic community integrating attachment science, experiential psychotherapy, and relational approaches to support psychological growth and relational wellbeing. For more than twenty years, Martin has worked at the intersection of psychotherapy, education, and transformational learning. Alongside his clinical practice, he has facilitated groups, trained professionals, and designed experiential learning programs across healthcare, education, social services, and personal growth. His academic training includes degrees in Clinical Psychology and Sexology, complemented by extensive postgraduate training in attachment-based therapies, including experiential dynamic therapies, as well as supervision training. His work is further informed by contemporary attachment research, affective neuroscience, interpersonal neurobiology, and experiential psychotherapy. Today, Martin combines clinical practice, teaching, writing, and facilitation with the ongoing development of Secure Base Lab. His work is dedicated to bridging rigorous psychological science with the timeless human need for belonging, helping people move beyond understanding themselves toward experiencing—and creating—the kinds of relationships in which lasting change becomes possible. Click Here to see Martin’s full bio. Resources for Attachment Isn’t Solo Work: Healing Through Community with Martin Jonsson (310) The Secure Base Lab – Website, resources, workshops and more @TheSecureBaseLab – Official Instagram page Please support our sponsors – they keep our podcast free and accessible to all! SimplePractice is an all-in-one EHR that is HIPPA compliant, HITRUST
What can DBT teach us about turning invalidation into joy? Dr. Kiki Fehling and Dr. Ann Kelley explore how chronic invalidation can shape emotional regulation, identity, and self-worth, particularly for queer and trans individuals. Through the lens of DBT and minority stress, Kiki shares how understanding these experiences can help challenge internalized shame, build resilience, and move beyond simply healing – and make space for authenticity, connection, and queer joy. “Internalized shame can be healed through community.” – Dr. Kiki Fehling Time Stamps for DBT, Chronic Invalidation & Finding Queer Joy with Dr. Kiki Fehling (309) 00:27 Understanding chronic invalidation in parenting and garegiving 02:05 How invalidations lead to emotional dysregulation 04:37 Adult consequences of childhood invalidations 07:00 Invalidation beyond parenting: Queer identity and society 07:59 Minority stress and queer invalidations 14:51 Using DBT to cultivate joy and self-acceptance 23:06 Practical tools: Books and resources for self-directed DBT About our Guest – Dr. Kiki Fehling Dr. Kiki Fehling (they/she) is a licensed psychologist, author, speaker, and DBT-Linehan-Board-certified expert in Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT). Passionate about making evidence-based mental health information more accessible, Kiki focuses on advocacy and public education around suicide prevention, LGBTQIA+ mental health, borderline personality disorder, and the intersection between mental health and heart health. She is the author of The LGBTQ+ Mental Health Workbook, Self-Directed DBT Skills, and DBT Cards for Coping Skills. Kiki also writes the Substack newsletter How To Queer Joy, volunteers for nonprofits Now Matters Now and WomenHeart, and shares DBT skills and mental health resources across social media @dbtkiki.   Resources for DBT, Chronic Invalidation & Finding Queer Joy with Dr. Kiki Fehling (309) The LGBTQ+ Mental Health Workbook – Find Emotional Resilience, Self-Love, and Queer Joy with Dialectical Behavior Therapy Self-Directed DBT Skills – 3-Month DBT Workbook Dr. Kiki Fehling’s website – Additional resources and information <div tabindex="0" role="textbox" aria-label="We will publish show notes that include any books, important references, and links you suggest. Are there any specific ones you want to be listed for this
Patreon/Supercast Special Release – Bonus – Inside Mentalization-Based Treatment: Borderline & Narcissistic Personality Disorders (308) This is a sneak peek of our 2nd episode with Robert Drozek – available only on our Premium Supercast and Patreon platforms. For as little as $5/month you can have access to special releases like this one, first-to-know about upcoming events and discounts and an ad-free feed. Click here to join & finish the episode!! What is mentalization—and how can therapists put it into practice? In this more clinical deep dive, Robert Drozek explores Mentalization-Based Treatment (MBT) and how strengthening our ability to understand our own and others’ inner experiences can support the treatment of borderline and narcissistic personality disorders. Sue and Robert explore the common breakdowns in mentalizing, the power of curiosity over certainty, and practical strategies clinicians can use to help clients build greater emotional awareness, empathy, and connection. “The hallmark of mentalization is curiosity.” – Robert Drozek Time Stamps for Bonus – Inside Mentalization-Based Treatment: Borderline & Narcissistic Personality Disorders (308) 01:20 – What is Mentalization? 02:56 – The origins of Mentalization-Based Treatment (MBT) 08:07 – Curiosity vs. certainty: What healthy mentalizing looks like 12:43 – When thoughts feel like facts: Psychic equivalence 18:14 – Certainty in Borderline Personality Disorder 19:34 – Certainty in Narcissism 20:58 – The “not-knowing” stance in MBT 26:00 – How Mentalization-Based treatment actually works 32:32 – MBT vs. DBT: What’s the difference? 35:11 – How therapists can incorporate Mentalization into practice 42:25 – Identifying Mentalizing blind spots About our Guest – Robert P. Drozek, LICSW Robert P. Drozek, LICSW is the clinical director of the Mentalization-Based Treatment Clinic at McLean Hospital in Belmont, Massachusetts. He is a teaching associate in the Department of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School, specializing in the treatment of borderline personality disorder, narcissistic personality disorder, and post-traumatic stress disorder. He is author of the new book, Mentalization: Utilizing reflection to heal from borderline personality disorder—the first book for the general public about mentalization-based treatment.   Resources for Bonus – Inside Mentalization-Based Treatment: Borderline & Narcissistic Personality Disorders (308) Download page – Free worksheets and handouts from the book Mentalization Coach App – The first mobile app for mentalization and MBT, adapted from my new book Mentalization-based Treatment for Pathological Narcissism – Handbook Mentalization-based Treatment for Personality Disorders – A practical guide Cambridge Guide to Mentalization-based Treatment Anna Freud Centre – The worldwide training hub for mentalization-based treatment (MBT) <a href="https://decon
Borderline and narcissism are often misunderstood—this episode separates myth from science. Robert Drozek explores the science behind borderline and narcissistic personality disorders, separating common myths from current research. Together, he and Sue discuss attachment, trauma, genetics, parenting, evidence-based treatments, and why understanding these often misunderstood conditions can bring greater compassion, hope, and healthier relationships. “Borderline is driven by a need to reconnect.” – Robert P. Drozek, LICSW Time Stamps for Challenging Personalities: Understanding Borderline & Narcissism with Robert Drozek (307) 04:14 Understanding Borderline Personality Disorder 09:25 Exploring narcissism: Definitions and types 13:29 Vulnerable vs. grandiose narcissism 18:56 The Role of Trauma in Personality Disorders 22:25 Parenting styles and their impact on narcissism 27:14 Identifying narcissism in relationships 33:34 Treatment approaches for Borderline Personality Disorder 36:45 Challenges in treating Narcissistic Personality Disorder 45:26 Navigating relationships with narcissistic individuals About our Guest – Robert P. Drozek, LICSW Robert P. Drozek, LICSW is the clinical director of the Mentalization-Based Treatment Clinic at McLean Hospital in Belmont, Massachusetts. He is a teaching associate in the Department of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School, specializing in the treatment of borderline personality disorder, narcissistic personality disorder, and post-traumatic stress disorder. He is author of the new book, Mentalization: Utilizing reflection to heal from borderline personality disorder—the first book for the general public about mentalization-based treatment.   Resources for Challenging Personalities: Understanding Borderline & Narcissism with Robert Drozek (307) MBT Boston – An organization that Robert co-founded that offers training and supervision to clinicians across the world in MBT MBT USA – A consortium of MBT providers and organizations in the United Robert’s faculty page at McLean Hospital Instagram: @RobertDrozek Mentalization book – Facebook page Get your copy of Mentalization: Utilizing Reflection to Heal from Borderline Personality Disorder here!     Please support our sponsors – they keep our podcast free and accessible to all! SimplePractice is an all-in-one EHR that is HIPPA compliant, HITRUST certified and built specifically for therapists. If you are ready to simplify the business side of your practice, now is a great time to try SimplePractice. Start with a 7-day free trial, then get 50% off your first three months. Just go to SimplePractice.com/TU to claim the offer.
What if your relationship struggles aren’t just personal—but shaped by the systems you live in? Akilah Riley Richardson returns to explore how systemic trauma quietly shapes our relationships, nervous systems, and sense of self. Drawing from her work with marginalized couples, she introduces the concept of relational privilege and explains why healing cannot be separated from the social systems we live in. Together, Akilah and Sue challenge traditional Western therapy models, discuss the importance of “responsible externalizing,” and explore how therapists can create space for grief, imagination, and genuine connection instead of trying to fix what cannot simply be solved. “The experiences of marginalized people are often devalued even by helping professionals, and this text is my dedication to carving a space where we, as practitioners, can ensure that we are of service in a way that is rooted in the realities of our people. It is also a reflection of my obligation to marginalized couples and individuals. My sincere wish for them all is that they are never harmed in therapy but instead uplifted. ” – Akilah Riley-Richardson Time Stamps for The Hidden Weight of Systemic Trauma: How Oppression Shapes Our Relationships with Akilah Riley-Richardson (306) 02:05 The systemic trauma faced by marginalized couples 04:12 Barriers for global south therapists and voices 08:00 Fear, threat, and navigating space as a marginalized person 09:57 Relational privilege and systemic influence 12:03 The role of colonial Christianity in systemic trauma 17:50 The danger of model dogmatism in therapy 20:06 Neurobiological threat and systemic trauma 22:02 Practicing responsible externalizing in therapy 26:07 The grief of systemic trauma and loss 28:04 The limitations of evidence-based models 29:58 The need for imagination and community in healing 31:47 The concept of lostness and liminality in trauma 34:06 The danger of attachment to models and frameworks 35:59 Differentiating systemic from relational reality 38:10 Yoruba and indigenous healing traditions 41:59 The influence of colonialism and imperialism on therapy 43:53 Acknowledge systemic trauma in therapist self-awareness 49:57 Habits of survival and internalized oppression 51:52 The impact of systemic trauma on body and mind About our Guest – Akilah Riley-Richardson, MSW, CCTP Akilah Riley-Richardson, MSW, CCTP is a dedicated therapist, educator, and researcher with several years of experience. As a Certified Clinical Trauma Professional and STAIR Method Certified clinician, Akilah specializes in relational healing, focusing on the needs of couples and individuals, both in the Caribbean and internationally.Her expertise extends to supporting sexual and racial minorities, ensuring that her practice is inclusive and culturally sensitive. Akilah’s commitment to education and advocacy has led her to consult for esteemed organizations, including NASTAD, I-TECH, CARPHA, and CVC, where she has made significant contributions to healthcare training and community support. She has presented her work at various prestigious forums, such as the Psychotherapy Networker Symposium, Academy of Therapy Wisdom, Harvard Medical School, Chicago School of Psychology and the Black Mental Health Symposium. From 2012 to 2025, she served as a Social Work Educator at the University of the Southern Caribbean, mentoring future leaders in the field. Currently, she serves as a Research Supervisor and Examiner at the University of the West Indies Global Campus. As the founder of the Relational Healing Institute and the creator of the P.R.I.D.E. model, Akilah is passionate about advancing relational therapies. Her book, “Marginalized Couples in Therapy” reflects this passion. Resources for The Hidden Weight of Systemic Trauma: How Oppression Shapes Our Relationships with Akilah Riley-Richardson (306) Marginalized Couples in Therapy: Interventions for Healing from Systemic Trauma – Akilah’s new book, use this link for 20% off. Get your copy today! <a href="https://akilahrileyrichar
Patreon/Supercast Special Release – Bonus – Trust Builders: Leadership That Creates Change with Amy Holloway (305) This is a sneak peek of our episode with Amy Holloway – available only on our Premium Supercast and Patreon platforms. For as little as $5/month you can have access to special releases like this one, first-to-know about upcoming events and discounts and an ad-free feed. Click here to join & finish the episode!! The leadership skill that changes everything Special guest Amy Holloway explores how trust shapes thriving communities, effective leadership, and long-term economic growth. Drawing from interviews with leaders across the United States, Amy shares the simple but powerful behaviors that build trust, strengthen collaboration, and create meaningful change – whether in organizations, neighborhoods, or entire cities. Together, Amy and Ann discuss the leadership traits that foster connection, the behaviors that erode trust, and why building community starts with intentional relationships. “Trust-building is within everyone’s power.” – Amy Holloway Time Stamps for Trust Builders: Leadership That Creates Change with Amy Holloway (305) 00:15 Importance of establishing trust in communities 07:32 Trust breakers vs. trust builders 14:18 Characteristics of effective community leaders 19:52 Insights from interviews with local leaders 25:33 Crisis management and community recovery About our Guest – Amy Holloway, President of Aha! Amy Holloway is the president of Aha!, an economic development consultancy specializing in strategic planning, and a practitioner-in-residence with Harvard Kennedy School’s Reimagining the Economy Project. Over a 30-year career, she has helped more than 200 places design strategies for long-term economic growth and community prosperity. A retired partner at Ernst & Young and leader of the firms national economic development practice, Amy previously founded and led Avalanche Consulting, one of the nation’s leading strategic planning firms. With her upbeat, welcoming style, she brings local leaders together through conversations that spark “aha!” moments and shared action. Her new #1 bestselling book, Trust Builders: The Key To Thriving Communities, is the culmination of Amy’s career-long belief that trust among local leaders is the single most powerful force shaping thriving communities. Amy lives in Asheville, North Carolina. In her free time, she enjoys hiking, painting, and teaching Pilates. Resources for Trust Builders: Leadership That Creates Change with Amy Holloway (305) Trust Builders: The Key to Thriving Communities – Get your copy of Amy’s book today!! Aha! Advisor – Aha! is where leaders unite to make a lasting impact, learn more <a href="https://trustbuildersbook.involve.me/trust-strength-assessme
The therapy conversation we don’t have enough. Dr. Sabrina N’Diaye shares a holistic approach to healing that blends spirituality, therapy, ancestral wisdom, and community connection. Together, we explore the transformative power of writing, forgiveness, and intentional rituals, while discussing how self-love, collective healing, and honoring every emotion can help us reconnect with ourselves and move through trauma with greater compassion and resilience. “Each day, I commit to loving myself more deeply than the day before. And I’m loving the journey.” – Dr. Sabrina N’Diaye Time Stamps for Healing Through Spirituality, Writing, and Connection with Dr. Sabrina N’Diaye (304) 02:37 The significance of spirituality in therapy 05:16 The power of writing and journaling 07:48 Exploring ancestral connections 10:36 Lessons from Big Mama 13:14 Forgiveness as a path to healing 18:37 The role of imagery in therapeutic practice 21:14 Connecting with ancestors and spiritual figures 33:49 Exploring Genograms for healing 36:52 The body as a resource in healing 38:49 Challenging patriarchy and racism in therapy 45:22 The importance of community healing 51:11 Creating circles of connection About our Guest – Dr. Sabrina N’Diaye Dr. Sabrina N’Diaye is a pioneering thought leader in integrating spirituality with psychotherapy. As an integrative therapist, storyteller, and peacebuilder, she blends ancient spiritual practices with the latest scientific research and wisdom to guide others on their healing journeys. She holds a PhD in Mind-Body Medicine from Saybrook University, where her research focused on the use of guided imagery as a healing tool for African-American women with chronic STIs. She is also the founder of The Heart Nest Center for Peace and Healing, where she lovingly serves women, couples, and small groups. A passionate storyteller, Dr. Sabrina is a strong advocate for the power of narrative in the healing process. She believes that sharing stories is a powerful tool for connecting with others and fostering community healing. This belief is central to her workshops and public speaking engagements, where she encourages participants to explore and share their own stories as pathways to personal and collective healing. Sabrina has taught trauma healing and self-care to healthcare professionals and community leaders around the globe, and spent 13 years as a Lead Clinician for community-wide trauma programs in the Middle East, Africa, Central Asia, and all over the U.S. In 2022, she co-launched Embracing Buffalo, a project specifically designed to address the aftermath of the May 14th massacre of African-Americans in East Buffalo. Dr. Sabrina is a highly-respected member of the treatment community, frequently lecturing on topics such as peacebuilding, spirituality, self-care for healers, imagery, writing, and the transformative power of connection. Her many audiences include police departments, correctional facilities, school systems, flight attendants, healing artists, peacebuilders, and aspiring writers. Her first book, Big Mama Speaks: Love Lessons from a Harlem River Swan, draws on her maternal grandmother’s resilience in overcoming trauma and chronic illness. Dr. Sabrina is deeply passionate about mentoring other therapists in creating fulfilling careers while serving humanity. Resources for Healing Through Spirituality, Writing, and Connection with Dr. Sabrina N’Diaye (304) The Heart Nest Institute – Additional resources, information, programs, group opportunities, and more Big Mama Speaks: Love Lessons from a Harlem River Swan – Sabrina’s book, purchase your copy today! Psychotherapy Networker – Articles and other content from Sabrina Beyond Attachment Styles course is a
Ranked as one of Apple’s Top 10 Social Science podcasts, Therapist Uncensored delivers trusted, science-backed insights on mental health and secure relationships. With over 11 million downloads worldwide, this female-led, independent podcast puts you right in the therapy room, making powerful psychological insights accessible and actionable. Co-hosts Sue Marriott, LCSW CGP and Ann Kelley, PhD break down complex ideas into practical wisdom you can use immediately. They’re joined by top neuroscientists, world-renown relationship experts and outside-the-box perspectives to share cutting-edge research and strategies for building stronger connections with yourself and others. Shownotes at www.therapistuncensored.com Transform how you understand your mind, your relationships, and yourself.
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