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- 3 weeks ago1h 6m
Ep. 053: Who Really Wins and Loses in the Food System? With Sue Pritchard
The invisible forces shaping what you eat, why they stay hidden, and what it actually takes to change them.Sue Pritchard is CEO of the Food, Farming and Countryside Commission (FFCC) and a farmer just down the road from us in Monmouthshire. In this episode she lays out exactly how the modern food system works, who benefits, who pays the price, and why the polite assumption that "people just want cheap food" is one of the most damaging myths in British public life.We go into the ABCD commodity giants most people have never heard of, the three forces reshaping our plates (commodified, consolidated, financialised), the citizens' assemblies that proved the political class has been misreading the public for decades, and why Sue thinks it might finally be time to bring back the word shame.This was one of those conversations where a missing piece of the puzzle dropped into place. Not cheery in places, but clarifying and energising.In this episode:What we actually mean by "the food system" and why the definition mattersThe ABCD companies: the four private firms (plus one Chinese state company) that control over 80% of global commodity tradeWhy Cargill's profits jumped 27% while the rest of us absorbed food price spikesCommodified, consolidated, financialised: the three words that explain how we got hereWho's really losing: farmers on below real-living-wage incomes, citizens paying twice (at the till and through their taxes), and our public healthThe assumptions keeping the system stuck: "people only want cheap food", "nobody wants a nanny state", "this is a middle-class concern"What happened when FFCC actually asked people what they want from food (spoiler: the response rate was five times the norm)The role of anger, and why Rowan Williams called it the "appropriate emotional response"Rutger Bregman, shame, and whether it is time to make certain jobs socially unacceptable againFinding your lane: why we do not all have to do everything everywhere all at onceThe "What Works Here?" inquiries and the stories of hope already on the groundApproximate timestamps:00:00 - Welcome & Introduction05:00 - Farm Start with Rachel Hammond (starts next month, places still available)06:00 - Community Day, 16 May, plus the screening of the People's Emergency Briefing08:20 - Introducing Sue Pritchard09:30 - What the FFCC is and why it was set up after Brexit12:30 - What we actually mean by "the food system"18:30 - The winners: ABCD companies, Cargill, the Amazon, and chicken sheds in the Wye Valley24:00 - The losers: farmers, citizens, public health26:20 - The assumptions that keep the system stuck28:45 - Sue "spits the dummy" and launches the citizens' assemblies36:30 - Anger, Rowan Williams, and what to do with it42:45 - Bregman, shame, and raising the social cost of harm44:30 - Working inside the system: the conversations that actually move people49:20 - Where hope already lives: the "What Works Here?" inquiries54:30 - Tom and Chloe unpack it: invisible winners, shame, food security, and the search for brave leadershipSue's best lines"Perhaps anger is the appropriate emotional response to the degree of injustice that we are finally seeing.""How do we tell the stories of the future that is already coming to life all around us? It's just not evenly distributed and it's not visible enough.""Don't do bad things and don't be a dick. Those would be my missions for government."Links and resources mentioned in this episodeSue Pritchard and FFCCFood, Farming and Countryside Commission: https://ffcc.co.ukThe Food Conversation: https://thefoodconversation.ukFFCC's overview of The Food Conversation and Citizen Mandate: https://ffcc.co.uk/so-what-do-we-really-want-from-foodPeople and works referencedHenry Dimbleby's National Food Strategy: https://www.nationalfoodstrategy.orgRutger Bregman's 2025 BBC Reith Lectures, Moral Revolution: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00729d9Rutger Bregman, Moral Ambition: <a href="https://www.moralambition.org" rel="noopener noreferrer" targe
- Mar 26, 20261h 12m
Ep. 052: Three Years In: The Honest Truth About Rewilding 80 Acres
No guest this week. Just Tom and Chloe with a drink, a lot to catch up on, and roughly an hour to get through it all.It's been 18 months since the last proper project update and quite a lot has happened. 4,000 trees planted. A tiny forest that nearly died twice and is now over six feet tall. A market garden. A distillery in the barn. A charity. Four schools through the gate in one week. And an otter, which felt significant.This is the third update episode - episode 9 was the start, episode 29 was one year in. This one's the most honest of the three.What We CoverRestoring More NatureThe trees, the dragon's nests, and what happens when you prepare the ground properlyWhy the tiny forest survived a drought, deer, and voles - and is now extraordinaryThe wood meadow: a rare habitat, hand-scythed by the community, and why it mattersThe pond that failed, then gave us house martins, a kestrel, and an otterThe pig situation (it got complicated)The cow debate: October, says Chloe. Tom is less sureBreeding birds: double the species recorded between 2024 and 2025Naturfa Pathway: one of four sites selected across Wales by the Welsh GovernmentProducing More FoodFrom silage grassland to 50-100+ varieties of fruit and veg - and why that matters for food securityThe cathedral polytunnel, the duck pond, the new orchard, and chickens planned for under the treesCourses launching this summer: market gardening, agroforestry, mushroom growing, seed saving and moreWhat it actually means when the food you grew feeds the people who came to help grow itContributing to the Local EconomyFrom two tractor drivers twenty days a year to six people working on siteWilder Spirits: pre-orders open 2 April. The first spirit distilled on a rewilding site in Wales, in a paper bottlePlatform Nature: 20 founding partners from Wildlife Trusts to a koala sanctuary in AustraliaThe Grange Hub, Wilder Away Days, and why Tom talks about money on a nature podcastRevenue transparency: what the first six months actually generatedConnecting More People to Wilder NatureWilder Connections charity: Chloe's co-design phase with schools across MonmouthshireWhat happened when a group of teenagers asked if they could hug a treeMonthly open days: selling out a month in advanceHopes for the rest of 2026 - and why Tom wants everyone to slow down a littleTimestamps00:00 - Tom's opening confession 01:31 - What we said on episode 29, and how much has changed 05:44 - The four pillars explained 07:04 - 28,000 listeners, 125 countries, and someone in Cape Town saving for their own rewilding site 07:53 - PILLAR 1: Restoring More Nature 08:12 - 4,000+ trees, dragon's nests, and the saplings finally breaking through 10:43 - Tiny Forest: 98% survival, over six feet tall, future outdoor classroom 13:59 - Hedgerows: planted, lost to drought, replanted 15:36 - Wood Meadow: what it is, why it's rare, and a lot of hand-scything 18:44 - Deer: why culling became unavoidable, and the experiment with over-planting 22:24 - The pond that collapsed - and then gave us house martins, a kestrel and an otter 26:39 - Voles everywhere, and what doubling bird species in one year actually means 27:13 - Pigs: what went wrong, what's coming next, and the ecological case for them 31:21 - The cow debate 33:54 - Welsh Rewilding Alliance: founding members 34:02 - Naturfa Pathway: recognised by the Welsh Government 35:05 - PILLAR 2: Producing More Food 35:37 - How a market garden ended up being run by the people who said they wouldn't run it 37:47 - Ducks, chickens, and the orchard 41:54 - 50-100+ varieties: why growing diversity is also food security 43:29 - From least to most efficient food production on the same land 44:33 - PILLAR 3: Contributing to the Local Economy 44:33 - Wilder Spirits: the distillery, the story, the paper bottle, 2 April 47:13 - Mark, Sandy, and why six people working on site matters 48:18 - Platform Nature: what it is, who's using it, and where it's going 5
- Mar 11, 20261h 1m
Ep. 051: WTF is the Polycrisis and why should I care?
In this conversation, we update you on two big milestones for the Grange Project, the launch of the Welsh Rewilding Alliance and our OECM recognition, before sitting down with Professor Mike Berners‑Lee. We ask Mike to explain the polycrisis: how climate change, biodiversity loss, pollution, food insecurity and geopolitical instability are all interlinked. Mike helps us see why recycling alone won’t cut it: plastics are produced almost entirely from fossil fuels, their emissions could eat up a large chunk of the remaining carbon budget and their additives disrupt hormones. We also talk about why technology by itself isn’t enough, how misinformation slows progress and what practical steps we can all take-like switching to trustworthy media and supporting a national information campaign to wake up and act.Episode journey:[00:05] Introduction and mission. We open the show by explaining why we started the Wilder Podcast: to share our learning about rewilding and the wider forces shaping our world. We remind listeners that we created the Grange Project two and a half years ago to restore nature, grow food, support eco‑businesses and reconnect people with land.[02:24] Two big updates. We proudly announce the launch of the Welsh Rewilding Alliance and its report A Welsh Way to Wild. We also share that the Grange Project has been recognised by the Welsh Government as an OECM, a big step in confirming that our land management has rigorous governance and real biodiversity benefits.[07:08] Introducing Professor Mike Berners‑Lee. We explain how we first encountered Mike’s work-reading There Is No Planet B inspired us to buy the farm and start the Grange Project. Mike introduces himself as a professor, consultant and author.[11:09] What is the polycrisis? Mike explains that the polycrisis is a tangle of interconnected challenges driven by humanity’s unprecedented power. He emphasises that disasters like pandemics and wars no longer happen in isolation; their severity comes from the cascading effects they unleash. For us, it was eye‑opening to see how our economic and political systems amplify these stresses.[16:58] Examples of cascading crises. We discuss real‑world examples: the COVID‑19 pandemic and the war in Ukraine amplifying food and energy crises. Mike highlights that plastic production has boomed since the 1950s and plastics are a major source of emissions and endocrine disruption. It reinforced for us how everything is connected.[20:43] Wake‑up call and the National Emergency Briefing. Mike tells us about the National Emergency Briefing in Westminster, where experts covered nine dimensions of the crisis from health and food to national security and no one thought the situation was exaggerated. We both feel this shows how widely the severity of the crisis is recognised and why we need national action.[23:05] Misinformation and media ownership. We explore how misinformation is blocking progress. Mike challenges the narratives that climate action will leave us poorer and colder, and explains how social‑media algorithms spread disinformation. We urge you to choose trustworthy news sources and recognise manipulation.[29:14] Techno‑optimism vs. systemic change. Mike says that simply scaling up renewables isn’t enough. He points out that although renewable capacity has grown massively, fossil energy use has also climbed, so overall emissions keep rising. That’s why systemic measures like carbon pricing and fossil‑fuel constraints are critical.[33:35] Human psychology and leadership. Together we discuss why people aren’t inherently selfish. Neuroscience and social history suggest we can cultivate cooperation and empathy. Mike encourages us to seek leaders who are kind and honest, and we talk about the courage it takes to speak up and push for change.[47:19] Calls to action. We finish by encouraging you to sign the letter at nebriefing.org, host local screenings of the briefing film and start conversations in your community. Mike notes that facing these issues head‑on feels liberating, we felt it too.[49:05] Host reflections. After the interview, we reflect on our own nerves and gratitude for Mike’s clarity. We discuss doing a mini‑series on the individual crises and debate whether information alone prompts action. We conclude that people need both facts and relatable stories of hopeful change.About the guest:We were honoured to speak with Mike Berners‑Lee, a professor at Lancaster University and founder of Small World Consulting. He advises organisations on s
- Feb 19, 202645 min
Ep. 050: The Future of Rewilding in Cymru (Wales) - Tir Natur
Chloe and Tom speak with Gwenni Jenkins-Jones and Eben Muse from Tir Natur, a Welsh rewilding charity working to establish Wales’s largest rewilding site. The conversation explores the unique challenges and opportunities for rewilding in Wales and why this moment represents a turning point for nature recovery in the country.Tir Natur recently secured a 1,195-acre landscape in the Doethïe Valley in the Cambrian Mountains, creating a rare opportunity to demonstrate what large-scale ecosystem restoration could look like within a distinctly Welsh cultural and ecological context. The discussion moves beyond ecology alone, examining how rewilding intersects with language, rural communities, land ownership, farming identity and the future of the countryside.This episode is both hopeful and honest. It explores the realities of nature loss in Wales, the misconceptions surrounding rewilding and the importance of community participation in restoring landscapes. At its heart is a powerful idea: that restoring nature is not about removing people from the land, but about rebuilding relationships between people, place and the living systems that sustain both.Tir Natur Crowdfunder – Support the charity’s fundraising appeal for Wales’s largest rewilding project. https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/p/tirnaturKey topics & chapter markers[00:05] – Introduction & project updates. Chloe and Tom welcome listeners, recount the story of spotting an unexpected otter on their land, apologise to “Pig Sheep Man Paul” for previous sheep‑related frustrations and announce a series of learning events at the Grange Project.[06:28] – Meet Gwenni & Eben. Guests introduce themselves: Gwenni recently became Tir Natur’s fundraising manager after volunteering for a year, while Eben volunteers in planning, community engagement and translation in addition to his day job in access conservation. They describe Tir Natur as a volunteer‑powered charity whose name means “nature’s land”.[08:30] – Why Wales needed Tir Natur. Rewilding projects in England and Scotland inspired action, yet Wales lacked a dedicated rewilding charity. Gwenni recounts that frustration with stalled government action and the desire to create a Welsh flagship site led to Tir Natur’s founding.[09:40] – What ‘rewilding’ means to Tir Natur. Eben and Gwenni define rewilding as restoring whole ecosystems rather than managing single species. They plan to use hardy grazer, cattle, ponies and pigs to create a mosaic of habitats and make the landscape resilient to climate change.[13:06] – The Welsh context. Eben outlines sobering statistics: Wales scores around 37 % on the Biological Intactness Index and 90% of its peat bogs are in poor condition. Agricultural pollution has degraded rivers, and political parties are reluctant to prioritise nature. Gwenni notes that shifting baselines mean many people have forgotten what a healthy landscape looks like.[20:50] – Navigating rewilding’s reputation. Gwenni acknowledges past projects that failed to engage communities and insists Tir Natur will listen to local voices, retain the farmer on the productive part of the land and ensure access rather than exclusion. Eben rejects profit‑driven rewilding and stresses that land should serve communities, not corporate reputations.[30:00] – A 1 195‑acre canvas for rewilding. Gwenni paints a picture of the Doethïe site: 1 195 acres with two rivers, 160 acres of degraded peat ready for restoration and 55 historic features including ancient farmsteads. The charity plans early interventions such as peatland rewetting and river restoration, followed by the introduction of grazing animals to kick‑start natural processes.[38:40] – Next steps & call to action. The first priorities after purchase are community engagement, bringing in hardy grazers and restoring peatlands. Gwenni invites listeners to visit the site, volunteer, share expertise or donate. Fundraising continues to finish purchasing the land and begin restoration.About the guestsGwenni Jenkins‑Jones is the fundraising manager for Tir Natur. After volunteering for a year, she now leads fundraising and community engagement for the charity, using her professional skills to connect donors with a shared vision for rewilding. Email: Gwenni@tirnatur.cymruEben Mewes works in access conservation and is an ambassador for Campaign for National Parks. He volunteers with Tir Natur, focusing on planning, community outreach and translation. Motivated by frustration with policy in Wales, he sees the new rewilding site as a chance to show what’s possible a
- Feb 7, 202651 min
Ep. 049: Regenerative Agriculture Changing How We Grow Food
Tom and Chloe sit down with Clare from Planton farm to explore what regenerative agriculture really means. Drawing on Claire’s journey from the conventional food industry into regenerative farming, the conversation explores why our current food system is under strain and how working with nature offers a viable, hopeful alternative.Together they explore soil health, livestock grazing, culture change in farming, and the realities farmers face when trying to shift away from extractive systems. From cattle as “ecosystem engineers” to the surprising role chickens can play in regeneration, this episode is a grounded, honest look at food, farming and the mindset shifts required to restore landscapes while keeping farms viable.Key topics & chapter markers[00:00] – Introduction and contextClare joins the podcast after visiting the Grange Project, sharing her background and passion for grazing livestock and regenerative farming.[03:56] – What regenerative agriculture actually meansA clear explanation of regeneration as the opposite of degradation – restoring soil, water, biodiversity and people – and why there is no single “recipe” for doing it well.[05:24] – Regenerative vs organic farmingHow organic and regenerative systems overlap, where they differ, and why organic certification doesn’t automatically guarantee soil regeneration.[07:05] – The challenge of definition and greenwashingWhy regenerative agriculture lacks certification, how the term can be misused, and the importance of asking one key question as a consumer: what is this regenerating?[08:48] – Why the current food system is strugglingA look back to post-war agriculture, the drive for volume, the rise of chemical inputs and the unintended consequences for soil health, nutrition, biodiversity and resilience.[13:16] – Economics of regenerative farmingWhy high-input, high-output farming is hitting a ceiling, how rising input costs are eroding margins, and why some farmers turn to regenerative approaches for financial survival as much as environmental reasons.[15:02] – Culture change and farmer mindsetFarming as identity, pride and tradition – and why regenerative farming challenges deeply held ideas about tidiness, productivity and what “good farming” looks like.[20:28] – Roots to RegenerationClare explains the two-year Roots to Regeneration programme, designed to support farmers and food-system professionals through deep, supported transition rather than surface-level change.[24:23] – Cattle, climate and eating less but better meatWhy grazing animals can be central to regeneration, how grasslands co-evolved with ruminants, and why cattle can act as ecosystem engineers when managed well.[29:38] – Chickens in a regenerative systemExploring pasture poultry, nutrient imbalance, river pollution and why the current chicken industry is structurally broken.[36:07] – Interconnected roles on the farmHow chickens and cattle support each other through manure management, pest control, fertilisation and orchard grazing.[38:47] – The future of farmingRegenerative agriculture as a potential fifth agricultural revolution, the rise of eco-literacy and a vision of farming that is more resilient, humane and joyful.About the guestClare is a regenerative farmer and food-system specialist based in Shropshire. She runs Planton Fam, an 80-acre regenerative holding integrating cattle, chickens, trees and perennial crops. With a background spanning the National Farmers Union, major retailers and sustainability consultancy, Claire brings a rare systems-level perspective to farming, food and land use.She is also co-founder of Roots to Regeneration, a two-year transition programme supporting farmers and food-industry professionals to redesign agricultural systems that work for people, planet and profit.Resources & linksPlant & Farm – regenerative meat and produce with UK mainland delivery https://www.plantandfarm.co.ukRoots to Regeneration – applications open for the next cohort: <a href="https://rootsofnature.co.uk/roots-to-regeneration/" rel="noop
- Dec 24, 20251h 8m
Ep. 048: Wilder Purbeck - Connecting a Community to the "Super National Nature Reserve"
In this pre‑Christmas episode, hosts Chloe and Tom sit down with Tom Clark and Alex Brocklesby from the National Trust at Purbeck.Purbeck is one of the UK’s most biodiverse areas, yet many residents remain disconnected from the nature on their doorstep. Tom and Alex explain how varied geology; including Pool Harbour, chalk ridges and heathlands, creates an incredible range of habitats.They describe how the Purbeck Heaths, the UK’s first super national nature reserve, unites 3500hectares of heathland owned by NGOs, statutory bodies and private landowners. The conversation explores why connecting local communities to this landscape is as important as ecological restoration, highlighting systemic barriers like work pressures and lack of time.Key topics & chapter markers:Each bullet below begins with the approximate start time for that segment:[00:05] Welcome & purpose of the Wilder Podcast. Chloe and Tom explain that the podcast has evolved from documenting their family’s rewilding journey to exploring wider systemic challenges—education, community, economy and eco‑entrepreneurship.[04:20] Conservation sheep and lessons in rewilding. Chloe and Tom recount borrowing six conservation sheep, difficulties moving them between fields and why most commercial sheep aren’t suited to rewilding. Conservation breeds like the Castlemilk Moorit nibble less and promote diverse grasslands.[16:55] Introducing Purbeck’s biodiversity. Tom Clark and Alex Brocklesby describe Purbeck as one of the most biodiverse parts of the UK because of its varied geology—harbours, chalk ridges, heathlands and limestone cliffs. They note the long‑standing presence of organisations like Natural England, the National Trust and RSPB.[19:17] Super National Nature Reserve. The guests explain that the Purbeck Heaths are the UK’s first super national nature reserve. The reserve unites several smaller reserves into a continuous 3500 hectare landscape that includes private landowners, demonstrating collaboration beyond NGOs.[20:54] – Experiences on the Isle of Purbeck. Visitors can see snakes, lizards, puffins, eagles, beavers and butterflies; picnic in flower‑rich meadows; explore sheltered beaches with seahorses; wander ancient woodlands; watch sunsets; or go coasteering along the Jurassic Coast. Four million people visit each year because the region offers so many ways to connect with nature.[22:55] – Why local people aren’t more connected to nature. Despite living in a biodiverse landscape, Purbeck residents aren’t any more nature‑connected than people elsewhere. Nearly 40 % of local children start school without ever having been to the beach. Tom and Alex discuss building trust with schools, community groups and businesses and reflect on the need for community‑led approaches, rather than top‑down conservation.[27:19] – Systemic barriers & opportunities. Modern lifestyles—commuting, low‑paid seasonal work, high numbers of second homes—leave little time for nature connection. Society is structured around nine‑to‑five routines rather than natural rhythms. The guests urge listeners to co‑create solutions that make time in nature accessible to everyone.About the guests:Tom Clark Land & Outdoors Manager for the National Trust’s Purbeck portfolio. He leads teams responsible for nature conservation, habitat restoration and visitor engagement across the Purbeck Heaths. Tom is passionate about collaborative, community‑led rewilding and believes the future of conservation depends on partnerships between NGOs and local people.Alex Brocklesby Community & Volunteering Manager for the National Trust at Purbeck. With a background in community organising, Alex builds relationships with schools, youth groups and local organisations to help residents benefit from the region’s natural assets. She co‑leads the Purbeck Community Project, which aims to make nature connection part of everyday life.Resources & links:Purbeck Heaths Super National Nature Reserve learn about the UK’s first “super” NNR, which brings together three existing reserves to create a bigger, more connected landscape. Visit the official site at https://purbeckheaths.org.uk.National Trust Purbeck the National Trust teamed up with six other landowners to create the Purbeck Heaths super reserve; find top facts, wildlife information and visitor guidance at <a href="https://www.nationaltrust.or
- Nov 17, 202530 min
Ep. 047: Monmouth Floods Discussion
Guest: Tom Johnstone – Founder of We Are Nature BasedHost: Tom Constable (co‑founder of The Grange Project)Episode overviewIn this special episode, Tom Constable talks to flood‑management expert Tom Johnstone about the catastrophic flooding that recently hit Monmouthshire and large parts of Wales. We explore what drove the event, whether it was simply a natural flood or part of a climate‑induced trend, and what practical solutions exist to reduce future risk. This conversation is grounded in both data and lived experience; it also responds to a social‑media debate where some posts dismissed any link between climate change and flooding.About Tom Johnson:Founder of We Are Nature Based, a community interest company that helps water companies, local authorities and land managers adopt natural flood management techniques.Works across the UK integrating nature‑based solutions with traditional (grey) infrastructure, including leaky woody dams, tree planting and wetland creation.Previously collaborated with the Grange Project to install around 50 leaky woody structures in their stream – an effort that Tom Constable credits with slowing water on the farm.Episode highlights:[00:00] Introduction & purpose – Host Tom Constable explains the devastating floods that struck Monmouthshire and his aim to explore whether the floods are climate‑induced or natural.[01:50] Acknowledging the impact – Guest Tom Johnson sends sympathies to affected communities, noting the hardship and setting the tone for a thoughtful discussion.[03:20] Why Tom Johnstone? – Tom Johnstone outlines his credentials as the founder of We Are Nature Based and his expertise in natural flood management.[04:30] What happened? Rainfall & river levels – The conversation turns to the flood statistics: nearly 120 mm of rain fell in 12 hours (more than 10 % of the annual average) and the River Monnow’s defences were overtopped.[06:30] Are floods climate‑induced? – Tom Johnson explains that while floods are natural, the frequency of heavy rainfall and droughts is increasing due to climate change.[09:00] Land use, soils & runoff – They discuss how centuries of land drainage, river straightening and intensive farming have compacted soils and accelerated runoff; Tom uses a dried‑out sponge analogy to describe baked soils repelling water.[13:00] Dredging vs. slowing the flow – A pragmatic discussion on dredging where it’s needed and why slowing the flow with leaky dams, ponds and vegetation is often a better approach.[16:00] Grange Project anecdote & climate projections – Tom Constable shares how hedgerows, tussocky grass and woody debris have slowed runoff on his farm; Tom Johnson discusses predictions of more flash‑flood events in Wales.[19:00] Beyond higher walls: budgets & catchments – They question the wisdom of endlessly raising flood walls and advocate investing some flood‑defence budgets in catchment‑wide natural solutions.[22:00] Policy & planning recommendations – Tom Johnstone suggests permeable paving for new developments, smart rainwater butts, incentives for farmers to hold water on their land, and integrated catchment planning.[25:00] Closing thoughts & call to action – Tom Constable thanks his guest and encourages listeners to learn more, support affected communities and push for systemic change.Resources and further readingWe Are Nature Based: Tom Johnstone’s organisation specialising in natural flood management.The Grange Project: grangeproject.co.uk – Tom and Chloe’s nature‑restoration project in Monmouthshire.Ep Art Image acknowledgement: GETTY IMAGES
- Nov 6, 20251h 1m
Ep. 046: Healing in the Wild with Jo Robert, CEO Wilderness Foundation UK
In episode 46 of The Wilder Podcast, hosts Chloe and Tom explore how wild places heal people and ecosystems. Their guest is Jo Roberts, CEO of the Wilderness Foundation UK. Jo shares how her childhood in South Africa fostered a deep respect for wilderness, how trauma influenced her career path, and why she believes access to nature should be a basic public health right. The conversation covers the Grange Project’s latest updates (volunteers, community‑days and new Berkshire pigs), the difference between parks and true wilderness, and the Wilderness Foundation’s programmes for survivors of domestic abuse, young people experiencing mental‑health challenges and at‑risk youth. Together they discuss why being outdoors with others, facing manageable challenges and reconnecting with non‑human nature can transform mental and emotional health.Guest:Jo Roberts – CEO, Wilderness Foundation UKJo has been Chief Executive of the Wilderness Foundation since 2004 and previously worked as Projects Director and Project Coordinatorwildernessfoundation.org.uk. A South African by birth, Jo was shaped by wild places across Africa and studied social anthropology during apartheid. She moved to the UK in 1984 and later merged her global network of wilderness practitioners into programmes that use nature to promote wellbeing and behavioural changewildernessfoundation.org.uk. Jo is a master NLP practitioner and psychotherapeutic counsellor who leads wilderness therapy programmes, with research interests in how immersion in nature affects mental healthwildernessfoundation.org.uk. She also serves on the Essex Climate Action Commission and champions the idea that “we help nature and nature helps us”wildernessfoundation.org.uk.Timestamps & Topics:[00:00] Introductions & Grange Project update[08:00] Jo Roberts’ background[16:00] What counts as wilderness?[28:00] Why wilderness heals[36:00] Programmes & therapeutic work[45:00] Access to nature as a public health right[55:00] Reflections & takeaways:Key Takeaways:Wild places are medicine. Research on the Wilderness Foundation’s TurnAround programme shows that spending time in wilderness and receiving long‑term support improves emotional wellbeing for most participants and helps them into education, training or worksmileymovement.org.Nature‑based therapy blends challenge and care. Programmes like Blossom and Brave Futures combine bushcraft, outdoor cooking and art therapy with trauma‑informed counsellingwildernessfoundation.org.ukwildernessfoundation.org.uk. Participants learn boundaries, resilience and self‑care in a supportive group.Volunteers and community matter. The Grange Project’s success owes much to volunteers and WWOOF‑ers who contribute energy and ideas; the hosts underline that community days not only help the land but also energise the hosts.Access to nature is a social issue. Jo argues that nature immersion should be a public health right, and points to transport, funding and education policy as barriers. She calls for greater investment in outdoor education and for teachers and parents to model curiosity about nature.Three ingredients for healing: a diverse, “wild” environment; a supportive group or tribe; and a challenge
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About Wilder Podcast
Welcome to the Wilder Podcast! Co-hosted by Chloe and Tom, we explore topics including "rewilding", sustainable living and climate change, whilst documenting our attempts to apply these principles on our 80 acres in rural Monmouthshire.We speak with experts who are passionate about understanding, protecting and restoring the natural world, to the benefit of us all. Whether that’s a professor of rewilding, a micro green start-up or charity founders, we explore their stories in a way that’s accessible to all.Alongside their expertise, we also share our journey of the Grange Project - where we are learning through doing and without any relevant background in ecology or nature recovery. Essentially, we ask the stupid questions so you don’t have to.Whether you're a seasoned environmentalist, a nature enthusiast, or simply curious about how you can make a difference, we hope this podcast will entertain, inspire (and perhaps educate a little too)!
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