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The Melting Pod brings you stories of our dysfunctional immigration system, and where we go from here. Hosted by three friends who’ve served inside the federal government for two decades and four presidents of both parties, The Melting Pod will give you a deeper understanding of the immigration headlines, without jargon or shallow punditry. Amanda Baran, Doug Rand, and Claire Trickler-McNulty will also bring you extraordinary people with extraordinary stories to tell – about how we got here and where we're going.
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We plunge beneath the latest immigration headlines to make sense of the senseless. What is the human cost of revoking deportation protections from over a million people? Why is the newly proposed H-1B fee precisely $103,265? Why are your taxpayer dollars giving ICE electric-shock gloves and robot dogs? Plus planning for a Democratic House majority to rein in these abuses (and a likely Constitutional crisis in the meantime). ==Learn More== Amanda, Claire, and Doug express their own personal opinions on The Melting Pod. This episode was produced by Michael Palmer (palm er.media). Read more about the topics in this episode: * Democrats found their border message. ICE is another story. - Politico (August 2026) * American support for abolishing ICE hits record 50% in new poll - Axios (March 2026) * ICE plans to give officers gloves that can deliver painful electric shocks - Associated Press (August 2026) * Dying in Detention: Rising Deaths in an Expanding US Immigration Detention System - Human Rights Watch (June 2026) * The Great Delegalization - New Yorker (August 2026) * Pierre Damas Bel died in an apparent suicide. His family says he felt 'humiliated' by his ICE ankle monitor - CNN (September 2026) * Years of Trump Support Came Undone in 15 Minutes in an Airport - New York Times (August 2026) * Actually, Democracy Dies in H.R. - New York Times (May 2026) * Milo Yiannopoulos says he was 'terrified' by the 'brutality' of his ICE deportation - CNN (September 2026) * Trump Said He'd Target Illegal Immigration. That Was a Lie. (w/ Doug Rand) - The Bulwark (August 2026) * U.S. may ask parents to prove citizenship or immigration status to get passports for children - NBC News (September 2026) * League of Women Voters, Campaign Legal Center Celebrate Victory as Court Blocks USCIS Rule - League of Women Voters (August 2026) * Trump Administration Launches Blitz to Find Elusive Voter Fraud Ahead of Midterms - New York Times (September 2026) ==Give More== Want to help build a more sane and humane immigration system? Support hardworking organizations like these: National: * #AfghanEvac – working to ensure the U.S. keeps its promise to our Afghan allies * Asylum Seeker Advocacy Project – the country’s largest membership organization of asylum seekers, working together for change * Black Alliance for Just Immigration (BAJI) – organizing and advocating for racial, social and economic justice * Haitian Bridge Alliance – providing humanitarian, legal, and social services * International Refugee Assistance Project (IRAP) - strategic litigation and advocacy to uphold the rights of people seeking safety * Justice Action Center - immigrant justice through litigation and storytelling Local: * Al Otro Lado - legal and humanitarian support to refugees, deportees, and other migrants in the U.S. and Tijuana * Catholic Charities Rio Grande Valley - providing assistance to the poor and most vulnerable populations in the Rio Grande Valley community * Las Americas Immigrant Advocacy Center - free and low-cost legal services to immigrants and refugees in West Texas, New Mexico, and Ciudad Juarez, Mexico * Support an immigration service provider near you ==Chapters== Introduction What’s going on with ICE? Electric-shock gloves and robot dogs “I would argue that Border Patrol is worse.” Deaths in detention Redirecting resources to conspiracy theories Temporary Protected Status (TPS) and the Great De-legalization The suicide of Pierre Damas Bel How TPA is supposed to work Supporting the Haitian Bridge Alliance Arresting authorized immigrants Denying green cards based on “public charge” Democracy Dies in HR The deportation of Milo Yiannopoulos Attacks on international students and H-1B workers Birthright citizenship, again? Citizenship ceremonies and one little victory What does “winning the midterms” mean? Have you read Game of Thrones…? What should Democrats do with a House majority? LOL nothing matters? Imagine AOC gives you a call… Claire knows all about fishing expeditions Let’s talk about candidates Conclusion
What is asylum? Simply put, the United States must not return someone to a country where they have a well-founded fear of persecution. Following the atrocities of World War II, Congress created a U.S. asylum system under international treaty and federal law. But in recent years, as many more people sought asylum at the U.S./Mexico border, this moral and legal obligation became a political lightning rod. Colleen Zengotitabengoa has seen these challenges first-hand, in her two decades serving at the Department of Homeland Security, the White House, and Congress. As an attorney, she has directly represented asylum-seekers – real people who were not “exploiting a loophole.” Colleen will help you understand what happened to our asylum system, why it matters, and what we as a nation need to do next. ==Learn More== Amanda, Claire, and Doug express their own personal opinions on The Melting Pod. This episode was produced by Michael Palmer (palm er.media). Read more about the topics in this episode: * Asylum in the United States - American Immigration Council (June 2026) * The Voyage of the St. Louis - Facing History and Ourselves * Managing migration under pressure: Lessons from the Biden presidency to build a migration policy in the national interest - Brookings Institution (July 2025) * What Are Safe Mobility Offices? - National Immigration Forum (Feb. 2024)* Abandoning Principles: Unpacking the Supreme Court's Mullin v. Al Otro Lado Denying Asylum to Arriving Migrants - Just Security (June 2026) * Modernizing America's Asylum System - American Immigration Lawyers Association (April 2026) ==Give More== Want to help build a more sane and humane immigration system? Support hardworking organizations like these: National: * #AfghanEvac – working to ensure the U.S. keeps its promise to our Afghan allies * Asylum Seeker Advocacy Project – the country’s largest membership organization of asylum seekers, working together for change * Black Alliance for Just Immigration (BAJI) – organizing and advocating for racial, social and economic justice * Haitian Bridge Alliance – providing humanitarian, legal, and social services * International Refugee Assistance Project (IRAP) - strategic litigation and advocacy to uphold the rights of people seeking safety * Justice Action Center - immigrant justice through litigation and storytelling Local: * Al Otro Lado - legal and humanitarian support to refugees, deportees, and other migrants in the U.S. and Tijuana * Catholic Charities Rio Grande Valley - providing assistance to the poor and most vulnerable populations in the Rio Grande Valley community * Las Americas Immigrant Advocacy Center - free and low-cost legal services to immigrants and refugees in West Texas, New Mexico, and Ciudad Juarez, Mexico * Support an immigration service provider near you ==Chapters== Introduction What is asylum? Who is Colleen Zengotitabengoa? Who qualifies for asylum? Comparison to the refugee process A brief history of asylum Shameful lessons of WWII One client’s asylum journey Two doors to asylum (affirmative and defensive) Expedited removal and credible fear More people claiming asylum at the border Asylum is not a loophole You can’t enforce your way out of this problem Then why is the border so quiet? What does “sealing the border” mean? If we can’t figure out how to fix it, then that’s on us Asylum doesn’t have to be this complicated Millions of cases in the backlog “Particular social group” Asylum and gender Pushing problems beyond our borders Why don’t we have a real refugee system in Latin America? Regional solutions We have a moral obligation to protect people The Supreme Court endorses “metering” Why *is* the border so quiet now? So what should we do? Three cheers for bureaucracy Conclusion (Gen X style)
Every year, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) makes millions of highly consequential decisions that affect individual people’s lives. Applications for green cards, work permits, asylum and refugee status, even U.S. citizenship – they’re all handled by the 20,000 civil servants at USCIS. The agency has always had its struggles, but under Trump 2.0, political appointees have actively undermined and targeted civil servants like never before. Michael Valverde dedicated his career to USCIS for three decades, working in roles throughout the agency and rising to senior management. Having taken early retirement after the DOGE debacle, he’s ready to pull back the curtain on how this agency really works: Why backlogs seem so endless, how immigration officers think, and what’s the difference between useful vs. useless security vetting. Michael also shares what he’s told countless new Americans at their citizenship ceremonies: Immigrants make our country richer. ==Learn More== Amanda, Claire, and Doug express their own personal opinions on The Melting Pod. This episode was produced by Michael Palmer (palm er.media). Read more about the topics in this episode: * Who Pays Immigration Fees? USCIS gets most of its money from U.S citizens and companies - Boundless (July 2020) * Right-Sizing Vetting for a Secure, Fair, and Efficient Immigration System - American Immigration Lawyers Association (Feb. 2026) * San Bernardino attackers did not post about jihad on social media, FBI says - The Guardian (Dec. 2015) * Systemic Change Needed After Faulty Times Article - New York Times (Dec. 2015) * USCIS Filing Trends: New Data Shows Immigration Processing Falling Further Behind - American Immigration Council (Aug. 2026) * Legal immigration agency employees asked to volunteer to help ICE operations - CBS News (March 2025) * Six-hour polygraphs, forced reassignments: inside homeland security’s campaign of fear - The Guardian (July 2026) ==Give More== Want to help build a more sane and humane immigration system? Support hardworking organizations like these: National: * #AfghanEvac – working to ensure the U.S. keeps its promise to our Afghan allies * Asylum Seeker Advocacy Project – the country’s largest membership organization of asylum seekers, working together for change * Black Alliance for Just Immigration (BAJI) – organizing and advocating for racial, social and economic justice * Haitian Bridge Alliance – providing humanitarian, legal, and social services * International Refugee Assistance Project (IRAP) - strategic litigation and advocacy to uphold the rights of people seeking safety * Justice Action Center - immigrant justice through litigation and storytelling Local: * Al Otro Lado - legal and humanitarian support to refugees, deportees, and other migrants in the U.S. and Tijuana * Catholic Charities Rio Grande Valley - providing assistance to the poor and most vulnerable populations in the Rio Grande Valley community * Las Americas Immigrant Advocacy Center - free and low-cost legal services to immigrants and refugees in West Texas, New Mexico, and Ciudad Juarez, Mexico * Support an immigration service provider near you ==Chapters== Introduction Who is Michael Valverde? Six billion dollars in user fees Michael to immigrants: Thank you for making me richer Immigration in simpler days How is USCIS using AI? The journey of a green card application What does an immigration officer do? Are immigration interviews useful? The truth about national security screening The plight of Mohammed Mohammed The truth about social media vetting What is “continuous vetting”? Why can’t we just eliminate the backlogs? The targeting of civil servants under Trump 2.0 “Working with you politicals…” Conclusion
From the first moments of his first campaign for president, Donald Trump has accused immigrants of fraudulently obtaining public benefits, immigration protections, and even votes. Does any of this hold up under scrutiny? We asked Sonya Schwartz, who knows more than just about anyone about the complex intersection of immigration, public benefits, and voting laws. She has the data to debunk all three of MAGA’s big lies about immigrants and fraud, and how this scapegoating leads to policies that harm all of us – from millions of families losing food assistance to voter ID laws that would block U.S. citizens from the polls. Meanwhile, some of the country’s worst actual fraudsters are getting pardoned instead of prosecuted. ==Learn More== Amanda, Claire, and Doug express their own personal opinions on The Melting Pod. This episode was produced by Michael Palmer (palm er.media). Read more about the topics in this episode: * What to know about Nick Shirley, the YouTuber alleging day care fraud in Minnesota - NPR (Dec. 2025) * Right-Wing YouTuber Behind Viral Minnesota Fraud Video Has Long Anti-Immigrant History - The Intercept (Dec. 2025) * Trump repeats claim of $19 billion in Minnesota fraud. Here's what the numbers show. - Star Tribune (Feb. 2026) * When a president calls human beings ‘garbage’ - Maine Morning Star (Feb. 2025) * Questions and Answers About the 75-Country Visa Ban Lawsuit - Center for Constitutional Rights (Feb. 2026) * At least 3.5 million people have lost food stamp access as Trump’s ‘big beautiful bill’ cuts take effect, analysis finds - CNBC (May 2026) * Brett Favre and the Mississippi welfare case explained - ESPN (May 2023) * Judge blocks feds from using immigration database to check voter eligibility - Texas Tribune (June 2026) * Depardieu in English, In Weir's 'Green Card' - New York Times (Dec. 1990) * Trump DOJ Dropped 23,000 Criminal Investigations in Shift to Immigration - ProPublica (2026) * The Main Beneficiaries of Trump's Pardons? White-Collar Criminals Like Him - Washington Monthly (Dec. 2025) ==Give More== Want to help build a more sane and humane immigration system? Support hardworking organizations like these: National: * #AfghanEvac – working to ensure the U.S. keeps its promise to our Afghan allies * Asylum Seeker Advocacy Project – the country’s largest membership organization of asylum seekers, working together for change * Black Alliance for Just Immigration (BAJI) – organizing and advocating for racial, social and economic justice * Haitian Bridge Alliance – providing humanitarian, legal, and social services * International Refugee Assistance Project (IRAP) - strategic litigation and advocacy to uphold the rights of people seeking safety * Justice Action Center - immigrant justice through litigation and storytelling Local: * Al Otro Lado - legal and humanitarian support to refugees, deportees, and other migrants in the U.S. and Tijuana * Catholic Charities Rio Grande Valley - providing assistance to the poor and most vulnerable populations in the Rio Grande Valley community * Las Americas Immigrant Advocacy Center - free and low-cost legal services to immigrants and refugees in West Texas, New Mexico, and Ciudad Juarez, Mexico * Support an immigration service provider near you ==Chapters== Introduction to Sonya Schwartz The slanderous narrative about immigrants committing fraud Allegations of welfare fraud Trump calls a whole community “garbage” The State Dept. bans immigration from 75 countries Which immigrants are actually eligible for which public benefits? Lightning round Q&A on undocumented immigrants and welfare U.S. citizens are going hungry after Trump’s “One Big Beautiful Bill” Cutting off temporary support for refugees Who are the real perpetrators of public benefits fraud? Allegations of voter fraud What would happen if the SAVE Act passed? Allegations of immigration fraud Gérard Depardieu and sham marriages Trump’s lenience with actual fraudsters What is to be done? Conclusion
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Jenny Hunt is a Rutgers University professor, the former Chief Economist at the Department of Labor, and a key contributor to the gold-standard, 600-page consensus report on the economic consequences of immigration. Don’t worry, we’re going to summarize it together in 45 breezy minutes! Economists agree that immigration makes native-born Americans wealthier on average, expands the U.S. economy, and has positive long-term effects on government budgets. The main debate is over the impact of immigration on the wages of Americans without a high school education – and they would be helped far more by a stronger social safety net than by restricting immigration. So what’s the anti-immigrant movement really about…? ==Learn More== Amanda, Claire, and Doug express their own personal opinions on The Melting Pod. This episode was produced by Michael Palmer (palm er.media). Read more about the topics in this episode: * The Economic and Fiscal Consequences of Immigration - National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine (2017) * E Pluribus Unum: Findings from the Cato Institute 2021 Immigration and Identity National Survey - Cato Institute (2021) * Macroeconomic Implications of Immigration Flows in 2025 and 2026 - Brookings Institution (January 2026) * Rising Immigration Has Helped Cool an Overheated Labor Market - Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City (November 2024) [take it with a grain of salt!] * On the Ballot: An Immigration System Most Americans Never Wanted - The Daily / New York Times (October 2024) [take it with an even bigger grain of salt!] * The Cuba-Born Harvard Economist Behind Trump's Immigration Crackdown - Washington Post (January 2026) * Immigrants Have Lower Lifetime Incarceration Rates than Native-Born Americans - Cato Institute (September 2025) * From Chinese to Italians and beyond, maligning a culture via its foods is a longtime American habit - Associated Press (September 2024) ==Give More== Want to help build a more sane and humane immigration system? Support hardworking organizations like these: National: * #AfghanEvac – working to ensure the U.S. keeps its promise to our Afghan allies * Asylum Seeker Advocacy Project – the country’s largest membership organization of asylum seekers, working together for change * Black Alliance for Just Immigration (BAJI) – organizing and advocating for racial, social and economic justice * Haitian Bridge Alliance – providing humanitarian, legal, and social services * International Refugee Assistance Project (IRAP) - strategic litigation and advocacy to uphold the rights of people seeking safety * Justice Action Center - immigrant justice through litigation and storytelling Local: * Al Otro Lado - legal and humanitarian support to refugees, deportees, and other migrants in the U.S. and Tijuana * Catholic Charities Rio Grande Valley - providing assistance to the poor and most vulnerable populations in the Rio Grande Valley community * Las Americas Immigrant Advocacy Center - free and low-cost legal services to immigrants and refugees in West Texas, New Mexico, and Ciudad Juarez, Mexico * Support an immigration service provider near you ==Chapters== Introduction Who is Jenny Hunt and what is a serial immigrant? Is immigration to the U.S. high or low? What are the economic upsides of immigration? Winners and losers (but not by much) That time Donald Trump cited the National Academy of Sciences Second-generation immigrants do great in the USA What are the best policies to help the least educated Americans? That time David Leonhardt cited the National Academy of Sciences Doug’s best impression of Michael Barbaro What is the deal with economist George Borjas? Immigrants and housing costs The idea of “cheap labor” Why economists hate the term “labor shortage”... …and also zero-sum misconceptions about the world Scapegoating immigrants over crime The Great Spaghetti Controversy Conclusion
We dive underneath the latest immigration headlines to make sense of the senseless. Why did the Trump administration threaten to shut down U.S. green card processing? Why did the press believe that Markwayne Mullin would be a kinder, gentler DHS Secretary than Kristi Noem? Why is Marco Rubio’s State Department promoting the expulsion of people like Marco Rubio? Plus a 30-second new play and a beautiful story from the steps of the Supreme Court. ==Learn More== Amanda, Claire, and Doug express their own personal opinions on The Melting Pod. This episode was produced by Michael Palmer (palm er.media). Read more about the topics in this episode: * Trump’s Insane Green Card Policy Doesn’t Have to Be Legal to Work (w/ Doug Rand) - The Bulwark (May 24, 2026) * Trump on green cards: Speak loudly and carry a little stick - Doug Rand on LinkedIn (May 2026) * Sen. Andy Kim Seeks Changes After Delaney Hall Melee - New Jersey Monitor (May 26, 2026) * What to Know About Protests at New Jersey ICE Facility - Time (May 26, 2026) * Trump's DHS chief rocked by wild rumor about his WIFE - Daily Mail (May 27, 2026) * Stephen Miller in Retreat - The Atlantic (May 11, 2026) * How Trump's Minneapolis Immigration Blitz Hobbled Federal Crime Fighting - Reuters (May 7, 2026) * Under Trump, State Department Language on Migration Echoes That of White Nationalists - NPR (May 15, 2026) * We spend more on ICE and CBP than all other federal law enforcement combined - Doug Rand on LinkedIn (May 2026) * Why MAGA has a problem with Maria [DIGNITY Act] - Politico (April 12, 2026) * The Case for a Different Approach - Lorella Praeli Substack (April 30, 2026) * No More Back Doors: Recapturing the Public's Trust on Immigration - Searchlight Institute (March 2026) * Supreme Court Appears Likely to Side Against Trump on Birthright Citizenship - SCOTUSblog (April 1, 2026) * Haiti & Syria Temporary Protected Status Case at Supreme Court: What You Need to Know - ACLU of Northern California (April 2026) * Trump Secretly Overhauled Citizenship Agency to Focus on Deportations - The New Republic (April 20, 2026) * New Ban Bars Half of Legal Immigrants, Even Citizens' Spouses & Kids - Cato Institute (January 14, 2026) * Press Unpause – USCIS Adjudication Pause Tracker ==Give More== Want to help build a more sane and humane immigration system? Support hardworking organizations like these: National: * #AfghanEvac – working to ensure the U.S. keeps its promise to our Afghan allies * Asylum Seeker Advocacy Project – the country’s largest membership organization of asylum seekers, working together for change * Black Alliance for Just Immigration (BAJI) – organizing and advocating for racial, social and economic justice * Haitian Bridge Alliance – providing humanitarian, legal, and social services * International Refugee Assistance Project (IRAP) - strategic litigation and advocacy to uphold the rights of people seeking safety * Justice Action Center - immigrant justice through litigation and storytelling Local: * Al Otro Lado - legal and humanitarian support to refugees, deportees, and other migrants in the U.S. and Tijuana * Catholic Charities Rio Grande Valley - providing assistance to the poor and most vulnerable populations in the Rio Grande Valley community * Las Americas Immigrant Advocacy Center - free and low-cost legal services to immigrants and refugees in West Texas, New Mexico, and Ciudad Juarez, Mexico * Support an immigration service provider near you ==Chapters== Intro The Stone of Destiny The green card disaster Do you want to read the little play I wrote? Hunger strike at a New Jersey ICE facility Markwayne Mullin goes bananas Welcome to the new DHS, same as the old DHS Is Stephen Miller “in retreat”? The unspeakable ugliness of “Remigration” Funding battles in Congress The DIGNITY Act Dueling think tanks The Supreme Court and birthright citizenship The Supreme Court and Temporary Protected Status The continuing destruction of U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services Super-secret easter egg
Enter the parallel universe of ICE deportation officers, who dress up like police but have near-zero criminal enforcement authority. And the vast majority of the people they arrest have no criminal record at all. Jason Houser served as ICE Chief of Staff, is an Intelligence Officer in the Navy Reserve, and helps us sort out truth from fiction. Why is the Trump administration diverting criminal law enforcement agents for civil deportation work – isn’t that defunding the police? How many ICE officers really need to carry a weapon in the first place? And how should we think about the future of an agency that has fallen so far? ==Learn More== Amanda, Claire, and Doug express their own personal opinions on The Melting Pod. This episode was produced by Michael Palmer (palm er.media). Read more about the topics in this episode: * Agents with Homeland Security Investigations push to break away from ICE, saying negative reputation hurts their work - Washington Post (December 29, 2021) * ICE Has Diverted Over 25,000 Officers from Their Jobs - Cato Institute (September 3, 2025) * U.S. Unauthorized Immigrant Population Reached a Record 14 Million in 2023 - Pew Research Center (August 21, 2025) * 5% of People Detained by ICE Have Violent Convictions, 73% No Convictions - Cato Institute (November 26, 2025) * What Is a Sanctuary City? - Vera Institute of Justice (April 22, 2025) * One Bovino After Another - The American Prospect (January 27, 2026) * ICE Recruitment Tweets Are So Racist That Cops Feared They Could Incite Neo-Nazi Violence - The Intercept (May 21, 2026) ==Corrections== (1) Border Patrol has expanded checkpoint and search authorities within 100 miles of any land border or U.S. coastline. About two-thirds of the U.S. population live within this area, which includes Chicago, Los Angeles, and New York City (but not Minneapolis). Explainer: U.S. Border Patrol Authorities and the 100-Mile Border Zone - National Immigration Forum (March 31, 2026) (2) Alas, the Nicolas Cage character in National Treasure is “an American treasure hunter and cryptologist,” not an HSI agent. But the Harvey Keitel character is an FBI special agent in charge of hunting down antiquities! If the stolen Declaration of Independence crossed an international border, surely he’d pull in HSI… ==Give More== Want to help build a more sane and humane immigration system? Support hardworking organizations like these: National: * #AfghanEvac – working to ensure the U.S. keeps its promise to our Afghan allies * Asylum Seeker Advocacy Project – the country’s largest membership organization of asylum seekers, working together for change * Black Alliance for Just Immigration (BAJI) – organizing and advocating for racial, social and economic justice * Haitian Bridge Alliance – providing humanitarian, legal, and social services * International Refugee Assistance Project (IRAP) - strategic litigation and advocacy to uphold the rights of people seeking safety * Justice Action Center - immigrant justice through litigation and storytelling Local: * Al Otro Lado - legal and humanitarian support to refugees, deportees, and other migrants in the U.S. and Tijuana * Catholic Charities Rio Grande Valley - providing assistance to the poor and most vulnerable populations in the Rio Grande Valley community * Las Americas Immigrant Advocacy Center - free and low-cost legal services to immigrants and refugees in West Texas, New Mexico, and Ciudad Juarez, Mexico * Support an immigration service provider near you ==Chapters== Intro Meet Jason Houser What does the Chief of Staff of ICE do? What is the purpose of ICE? What is the difference between Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) and Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO)? When HSI tried to break away from ICE Immigration enforcement is civil, not criminal Indiscriminate deportations vs. enforcement priorities ICE and local law enforcement Chief Bovino’s carnival act Donald Trump defunds the police What is a sanctuary city? Scapegoating immigrants as criminals ICE is mostly desk jobs Why does an ICE officer need a gun? What is the future of ICE?
The Melting Pod brings you stories of our dysfunctional immigration system, and where we go from here. Hosted by three friends who’ve served inside the federal government for two decades and four presidents of both parties, The Melting Pod will give you a deeper understanding of the immigration headlines, without jargon or shallow punditry. Amanda Baran, Doug Rand, and Claire Trickler-McNulty will also bring you extraordinary people with extraordinary stories to tell – about how we got here and where we're going.
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