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by Gary Leland, Bob Burnett, Lawrence Lepard, Mel Sands
Bitcoin Boomers is where real-world experience meets Bitcoin. Hosted by Gary Leland, Lawrence Lepard, and Bob Burnett,the show breaks down money, inflation, debt, markets, mining, and the future of the financial system in straight, practical language.The hosts bring decades of expertise across tech, investing, entrepreneurship, and macroeconomics.They’ve lived through recessions, currency shocks, bubbles, and policy mistakes.They explain why Bitcoin matters in a world defined by rising debt and declining purchasing power.Each monthly episode delivers clear insight into:• Bitcoin as sound money• Inflation and currency debasement• Retirement risk and wealth preservation• Bitcoin mining and energy• Monetary policy and long-term cycles• The changing structure of global financeGary Leland is a Hall of Fame podcaster and founder of BitBlockBoom.
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Larry Lepard, Bob Burnett and Gary Leland on the September move: Bitcoin caught air off 62 and ran to 81 before settling near 77, the Fed's rate decision, Treasury buybacks tripling to $6 billion, and why half the people mining Bitcoin are probably losing money right now. Larry's call: $180,000 by the end of 2027. Bob's view from inside mining: the median cost of production is in the mid $60,000s, and spot is barely above it. And for anyone still waiting for $50,000 — Larry has a two-word answer. Plus: the fourth Boomer joins us from an elk camp in Colorado. 00:00 Give up. You missed it. 00:49 Gary's back, George is hunting 01:19 The fourth Boomer, from an elk camp 06:00 Bitcoin caught air: 62 to 81 to 77 06:32 The yen, FIMA, and Bessent's bigger boat 09:29 Warsh the hawk 11:59 The flag and the $5,000 dividend 13:18 Miner P&L 16:29 Bitcoin decouples from the Nasdaq 18:29 The AI trade peaks 22:10 Public miners go hyperscale 25:10 Larry's call: $180K by 2027 26:13 "Give up. You missed it." 29:12 Cost of production 32:16 Energy costs 35:06 Year-end predictions 37:43 "I'm not a financial advisor." "Well, I am." Thanks to our sponsors: Ledn — don't sell your Bitcoin, borrow against it → ledn.io/boomersSwan — real Bitcoin, in your name → swan.com/boomersSazmining — own the rig, not the output → sazmining.com/boomers Nothing here is financial advice. Everyone's situation is different.
"Not today you don't." The Boomers open with the question every holder secretly googles — do you owe taxes on Bitcoin you never sold? — and the answer detours through gold teeth, seventeen nuclear aircraft carriers, and Larry calmly explaining why he thinks this asset goes to a million dollars… then ten. Bob puts a number on the network nobody can picture (900 exahashes — more raw computation than every supercomputer on Earth combined), George explains why that's "the magic of Bitcoin," and then the fork question lands: what actually happened at block 961,632 when BIP-110 tried to split the chain — and why one side kept mining forever while the other managed two blocks. Lightning-round episode: taxes, hashrate, gold vs Bitcoin, the 50% drawdown rule, estate planning without losing your keys, and one bonus question that gets a very honest answer. Larry Lepard, Bob Burnett, and George Bodine hold the couch — Gary Leland sits this one out (he'll be back). CHAPTERS 00:00 — Cold Open 00:50 — Do I Pay Taxes on Bitcoin If I Don't Sell? 02:21 — Swan (sponsor) 03:01 — Gold vs Bitcoin: Which Do You Trust? 04:29 — 900 Exahashes & 17 Aircraft Carriers 06:51 — Sazmining (sponsor) 07:25 — What Backs Bitcoin? 10:12 — Sleeping Through 50% Drawdowns 14:33 — Ledn (sponsor) 15:01 — Bonus: The BIP-110 Fork at Block 961,632 The Bitcoin Boomers is a panel for smart, successful people over 40 still on the outside of Bitcoin looking in. Plain English answers to the questions no one else will touch. Signal without the noise. Your hosts: Gary Leland, founder of BitBlockBoom and Hall of Fame podcaster. Lawrence Lepard, sound money fund manager and author of The Big Print. Bob Burnett, mining entrepreneur and founder of Barefoot Mining. George Bodine, the World's Most Interesting Bitcoiner. Listen to the audio anywhere: 🍎 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-bitcoin-boomers/id1853058330 ⚡ Fountain: https://fountain.fm/show/kHBRZl0Mb0MGWMELtjw4 Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@BTCBoomers Sponsors who make Boomers possible: Sazmining, mine your own Bitcoin: https://Sazmining.com/Boomers Ledn, borrow against your Bitcoin: https://ledn.io/boomers Swan, Invest in Bitcoin: https://www.swan.com/boomers Follow the hosts: Bob Burnett https://x.com/boomer_btc | Gary Leland https://x.com/GaryLeland | Lawrence Lepard https://x.com/LawrenceLepard | George Bodine https://x.com/Jethroe111 Educational only. Not financial, legal, tax, or investment advice. Do your own research.
George Bodine recommended Coldcard on this show. Then the firmware flaw hit, and he got on the phone. In this episode he apologizes on camera, walks through moving his own funds, and the Boomers dig into what the incident really teaches about self-custody, trade-offs, and trust. Then, for the first time, George addresses BIP110's failure head-on: what went wrong, who's stepped away, and what it means to lose a battle without going home. 0:00 Cold Open 1:19 Welcome: Post-Coldcard, Post-BIP110 1:44 George's Coldcard Apology 3:52 Self-Custody Is Accountability 5:53 Ledn 6:30 Democratic Socialism & Doing the Work 9:57 Saylor, The Mandibles & Custodial Risk 11:39 Eggs, Baskets & the FDR Clue 12:29 Germany, Timing & the 75–80 Day Window 14:02 "President AOC" & Confiscation Talk 15:08 Sazmining 15:47 Trust & the Seed Phrase Question 18:05 Fathers, Values & Low Time Preference 22:41 Advice to Young Bitcoiners 23:36 BIP110 Post-Mortem 25:44 What Bitcoin Must Be for 200 Years 27:21 The Quantum Question & How Bitcoin Changes 30:55 Sign-Off Also in this episode: the democratic socialism polling, the 75–80 day window between an election and taking office, the FDR precedent, buckets and baskets, why these three trust each other with more than lunch money, and what Bitcoin has to be to last 200 years. Larry Lepard · Bob Burnett · George Bodine (filling in for Gary Leland) Sponsors: Ledn — bitcoin-backed loans. ledn.io/boomers (Bitcoin-backed borrowing involves interest, custody and liquidation risk.) Sazmining — own the machine that mines it. sazmining.com/boomers (Mining results vary. Power and setup billed separately.) The Bitcoin Boomers is a panel for smart, successful people over 40 still on the outside of Bitcoin looking in. Plain English answers to the questions no one else will touch. Signal without the noise. Your hosts: Gary Leland, founder of BitBlockBoom and Hall of Fame podcaster. Lawrence Lepard, sound money fund manager and author of The Big Print. Bob Burnett, mining entrepreneur and founder of Barefoot Mining. George Bodine, the World's Most Interesting Bitcoiner. Listen to the audio anywhere: 🍎 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-bitcoin-boomers/id1853058330 ⚡ Fountain: https://fountain.fm/show/kHBRZl0Mb0MGWMELtjw4 Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@BTCBoomers Sponsors who make Boomers possible: Bitcoin Well, self-custody made simple: https://bitcoinwell.com Sazmining, mine your own Bitcoin: https://Sazmining.com/Boomers Ledn, borrow against your Bitcoin: https://ledn.io/boomers Follow the hosts: Bob Burnett https://x.com/boomer_btc | Gary Leland https://x.com/GaryLeland | Lawrence Lepard https://x.com/LawrenceLepard | George Bodine https://x.com/Jethroe111 Bitcoin #BitcoinForBeginners #BitcoinBoomers Educational only. Not financial, legal, tax, or investment advice. Do your own research.
The Treasury Secretary said "whatever it takes" for the yen. The Fed has a facility that can hand Japan $60 billion with a keystroke, and Bessent says it might not be enough. Larry Lepard walks through what FIMA is, why gold moved 7% in three days, why gold stocks had their biggest week in 18 years, and why he thinks Wall Street still doesn't understand that they can never stop printing. Also: the 10 year red line, yield curve control, Silicon Valley Bank as a preview of a phase change, why the ETF holders aren't the paper hands everyone expected, and Larry's number for the next high. Bob Burnett and George Bodine ask the questions. Gary Leland is on vacation. He will be back in the future. 00:00 Cold open\ 00:42 Titles\ 00:47 Gary is on vacation\ 01:05 Bessent steps in for the yen\ 02:13 FIMA, the Fed's $60B printer for Japan\ 03:25 We're going to need a bigger boat\ 03:32 Gold moves 7% in three days\ 04:46 Jackson Hole and the rate hike odds collapse\ 05:59 The run it hot strategy\ 06:27 The 10 year red line\ 07:54 Bob's questions: bills, twist, buying time\ 08:20 This is what a third world country does\ 08:30 Bessent broke the Bank of England\ 10:23 Yield curve control\ 11:04 The $6.6T balance sheet\ 11:40 BTFP, buy the \__\_ paper\ 11:55 Gromen's negative 14% real rate\ 13:21 Gold up 65%, silver up 400%\ 13:54 Phase change\ 14:09 Silicon Valley Bank\ 15:04 Gold up $500 in a day\ 15:57 Bob's Bitcoin question\ 17:06 A hawkish Fed is just like DOGE\ 18:03 Fire in the theater\ 18:36 George: Bitcoin is in competition\ 19:15 70 gigawatts\ 19:46 Swan\ 20:24 A billion into the ETFs\ 21:01 ETF shares only down 10%\ 22:06 One side of the rowboat\ 22:27 The next high: 180 to 250\ 22:34 Sign off THIS EPISODE'S SPONSORS Swan. Set an amount, set a day, and it buys bitcoin for you. [swan.com/boomers](http://swan.com/boomers), code BOOMERS. Ledn. Borrow dollars against your bitcoin. What are they allowed to do with your bitcoin while it's there? Nothing. [ledn.io/boomers](http://ledn.io/boomers). Bitcoin-backed borrowing involves interest, custody and liquidation risk. Sazmining. A bitcoin miner that's yours. You own the machine, they run it, what it mines goes to your wallet. [sazmining.com/boomers](http://sazmining.com/boomers). THE BOOMERS\ Larry Lepard, author of The Big Print: [x.com/LawrenceLepard](http://x.com/LawrenceLepard)Bob Burnett: [x.com/boomerbtc](http://x.com/boomerbtc)George Bodine: [x.com/Jethroe111](http://x.com/Jethroe111)Gary Leland: [x.com/garyleland](http://x.com/garyleland) Show: [x.com/btcboomers](http://x.com/btcboomers) Nothing here is financial advice. Three guys who should be retired, arguing about money. The Bitcoin Boomers is a panel for smart, successful people over 40 still on the outside of Bitcoin looking in. Plain English answers to the questions no one else will touch. Signal without the noise. Your hosts: Gary Leland, founder of BitBlockBoom and Hall of Fame podcaster. Lawrence Lepard, sound money fund manager and author of The Big Print. Bob Burnett, mining entrepreneur and founder of Barefoot Mining. George Bodine, the World's Most Interesting Bitcoiner. Listen to the audio anywhere: 🍎 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-bitcoin-boomers/id1853058330 ⚡ Fountain: https://fountain.fm/show/kHBRZl0Mb0MGWMELtjw4 Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@BTCBoomers Sponsors who make Boomers possible: Bitcoin Well, self-custody made simple: https://bitcoinwell.com Sazmining, mine your own Bitcoin: https://Sazmining.com/Boomers Ledn, borrow against your Bitcoin: https://ledn.io/boomers Follow the hosts: Bob Burnett https://x.com/boomer_btc | Gary Leland https://x.com/GaryLeland | Lawrence Lepard https://x.com/LawrenceLepard | George Bodine https://x.com/Jethroe111 Bitcoin #BitcoinForBeginners #BitcoinBoomers Educational only. Not financial, legal, tax, or invest
George Bodine woke up at 5am, saw the Coldcard news, and drove through the dark with shaking hands to move his Bitcoin before someone else could. He made it. Others lost everything. In the August episode, Bob Burnett, Larry Lepard, and George Bodine break down what actually went wrong inside Coldcard — the "one in a quadrillion" collisions their own support line saw, why the seed phrases were hiding in a drop of water instead of the universe, and what a former fighter pilot's checklist discipline looks like when your stack is on the line. Then: the BIP110 chain split is real. Bob explains why Barefoot Mining stopped signaling in June, what the four-block fork means, why the next upgrade will need exchanges, treasuries, and Wall Street to agree — and what to do if you get airdropped the fork coin. Self-custody was the whole point. Is it still? Not financial advice. Do your own research. ⏱️ CHAPTERS 00:00 Cold open 01:39 Welcome: the August edition 02:36 Who got hit: George's 5am drive 05:19 A word from Swan 05:56 Is the ETF the better option? 07:02 Bob's view: what Coldcard actually did 08:23 One in a quadrillion 09:15 Hide and seek in a drop of water 11:05 Entropy 101 14:28 Proving randomness & Chaos Enterprises 17:24 The future of self-custody 19:06 Larry's answer: Fidelity 20:07 The air-gap mistake & Trezor 21:45 "One bad company": answering the normies 23:02 The 6102 threat 27:42 Why wallets are built wrong 30:18 A word from Sazmining 30:51 One job 32:11 How to vet a Bitcoin company 34:45 The chain split is real 36:52 George: you don't leave people behind 38:06 Larry's verdict on BIP110 41:10 Bob's call with Brink 43:38 What it takes to change Bitcoin 44:15 Airdrop advice & sign-off 🟧 OUR SPONSORS Swan — Bitcoin only, self-custody at your pace, from Swan Sovereign to Swan Vault: swanbitcoin.com (code BOOMERS) Sazmining — own a Bitcoin miner on renewable energy, sats straight to your wallet: sazmining.com/boomers (code BOOMERS) Ledn — borrow against your Bitcoin without selling: Ledn.io/boomers The Bitcoin Boomers is a panel for smart, successful people over 40 still on the outside of Bitcoin looking in. Plain English answers to the questions no one else will touch. Signal without the noise. Your hosts: Gary Leland, founder of BitBlockBoom and Hall of Fame podcaster. Lawrence Lepard, sound money fund manager and author of The Big Print. Bob Burnett, mining entrepreneur and founder of Barefoot Mining. George Bodine, the World's Most Interesting Bitcoiner. Listen to the audio anywhere: 🍎 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-bitcoin-boomers/id1853058330 ⚡ Fountain: https://fountain.fm/show/kHBRZl0Mb0MGWMELtjw4 Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@BTCBoomers Sponsors who make Boomers possible: Swan - Bitcoin only, self-custody at your pace, from Swan Sovereign to Swan Vault: swanbitcoin.com Sazmining, mine your own Bitcoin: https://Sazmining.com/Boomers Ledn, borrow against your Bitcoin: https://ledn.io/boomers Follow the hosts: Bob Burnett https://x.com/boomer_btc | Gary Leland https://x.com/GaryLeland | Lawrence Lepard https://x.com/LawrenceLepard | George Bodine https://x.com/Jethroe111 Bitcoin #BitcoinForBeginners #BitcoinBoomers Educational only. Not financial, legal, tax, or investment advice. Do your own research.
What happens to your Bitcoin when you die? Can the government freeze or seize it? Could quantum computers break Bitcoin? And why is Bitcoin down while stocks are sitting near record highs? In this episode of The Bitcoin Boomers, Larry Lepard, Bob Burnett and George break down five of the biggest questions Bitcoin holders are asking right now. They dig into self-custody, multisig, inheritance planning, wrench attacks, AI-powered social engineering, Executive Order 6102, government confiscation risk, Bitcoin mining, non-KYC Bitcoin, quantum computing, Bitcoin’s relationship to global liquidity, the current drawdown, long-term holder capitulation, and why Bitcoin should never be confused with the broader crypto industry. They also tackle a much bigger question: What actually makes Bitcoin worth protecting? From the invention of digital scarcity to a monetary network that no government, CEO or company controls, this conversation gets to the heart of why Bitcoin is fundamentally different. 00:00 The five questions 00:44 Q1: What happens to my Bitcoin when I die? 02:05 A word from Swan 02:38 Wrench attacks, AI scams, and multi-sig 07:28 Q2: Can the government take or freeze my Bitcoin? 08:25 Executive Order 6102, the 1933 precedent 14:20 A word from Sazmining: The Hash Stash 14:48 Mining non-KYC Bitcoin 16:33 Q3: Will quantum computers break Bitcoin? 20:23 Q4: Why is Bitcoin down while stocks are at highs? 24:04 A word from Ledn 25:04 Q5: $10,000 in Trump coin vs Bitcoin Topics include: • What happens to your Bitcoin when you die • Self-custody, multisig and inheritance • Can the government seize Bitcoin? • Executive Order 6102 and the history of gold confiscation • Why counterparty risk matters • Mining Bitcoin directly • Quantum computing and Bitcoin security • Why Bitcoin is lagging stocks • Bitcoin and global liquidity • Why the current drawdown may represent opportunity • Bitcoin vs. Trump Coin and the broader crypto market • Why Bitcoin is a “zero-to-one” monetary invention This episode is for educational and informational purposes only and does not constitute financial, tax, legal or investment advice. The Bitcoin Boomers is a panel for smart, successful people over 40 still on the outside of Bitcoin looking in. Plain English answers to the questions no one else will touch. Signal without the noise. Your hosts: Gary Leland, founder of BitBlockBoom and Hall of Fame podcaster. Lawrence Lepard, sound money fund manager and author of The Big Print. Bob Burnett, mining entrepreneur and founder of Barefoot Mining. George Bodine, the World's Most Interesting Bitcoiner. Listen to the audio anywhere: 🍎 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-bitcoin-boomers/id1853058330 ⚡ Fountain: https://fountain.fm/show/kHBRZl0Mb0MGWMELtjw4 Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@BTCBoomers Sponsors who make Boomers possible: Bitcoin Well, self-custody made simple: https://bitcoinwell.com Sazmining, mine your own Bitcoin: https://Sazmining.com/Boomers Ledn, borrow against your Bitcoin: https://ledn.io/boomers Follow the hosts: Bob Burnett https://x.com/boomer_btc | Gary Leland https://x.com/GaryLeland | Lawrence Lepard https://x.com/LawrenceLepard | George Bodine https://x.com/Jethroe111 Bitcoin #BitcoinForBeginners #BitcoinBoomers Educational only. Not financial, legal, tax, or investment advice. Do your own research.
Bitcoin is the final exit. The escape hatch. The parachute at the end of the ride. George came back from Prague with a changed thesis, and this episode gets back to Bitcoin basics: money in self-custody that no one can stop. Larry breaks down why the third big print is coming and what a slow-motion currency failure actually looks like. Bob opens the books on the miners trilemma and why the hardest conditions in mining history are flashing the same signal as the last great bottom: whenever the money is hard, that's when you go in. Also on the table: the shiny object syndrome draining capital into AI, why sentiment is the worst the boomers have ever seen while every metric screams value zone, paper Bitcoin and the ghost of Sam Bankman-Fried, BIP110 and the three and a half weeks until the chain decides, and why Kevin Warsh is just the modern-day Von Havenstein. Bob's Miners Trilemma article in Bitcoin Magazine: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/business/bitcoin-miners-face-a-dilemma-for-success Thanks to our sponsors: Ledn — Bitcoin-backed loans for the in-between: https://ledn.io/boomers Sazmining — you own the machine, they run it: https://sazmining.com Use code BOOMERS. CHAPTERS 00:00 Cold open 01:25 Welcome: skin in the game 04:55 The Prague reset 05:18 Bitcoin is the final exit 06:50 A word from Ledn 07:44 Larry: a thousand years of debasement 09:41 The electricity timeline 10:35 Paper Bitcoin and SBF 12:11 Lost focus: three phrases 14:38 Worst sentiment, best value zone 15:54 Larry: how you get to $1M a coin 17:26 The shiny object syndrome 17:48 Bob: the miners trilemma 20:50 A word from Sazmining 21:43 What's suppressing price: rates, IPOs, AI capex 24:52 Larry: the liquidity indicator 26:04 The third print: enemy action 29:26 Warsh, the modern Von Havenstein 30:39 BIP110: two camps 34:30 Three and a half weeks to the fork 37:00 Hopeful endings 40:24 Watermelons Not financial advice. Three friends talking Bitcoin. The Bitcoin Boomers is a panel for smart, successful people over 40 still on the outside of Bitcoin looking in. Plain English answers to the questions no one else will touch. Signal without the noise. Your hosts: Gary Leland, founder of BitBlockBoom and Hall of Fame podcaster. Lawrence Lepard, sound money fund manager and author of The Big Print. Bob Burnett, mining entrepreneur and founder of Barefoot Mining. George Bodine, the World's Most Interesting Bitcoiner. Listen to the audio anywhere: 🍎 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-bitcoin-boomers/id1853058330 ⚡ Fountain: https://fountain.fm/show/kHBRZl0Mb0MGWMELtjw4 Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@BTCBoomers Sponsors who make Boomers possible: Bitcoin Well, self-custody made simple: https://bitcoinwell.com Sazmining, mine your own Bitcoin: https://Sazmining.com/Boomers Ledn, borrow against your Bitcoin: https://ledn.io/boomers Follow the hosts: Bob Burnett https://x.com/boomer_btc | Gary Leland https://x.com/GaryLeland | Lawrence Lepard https://x.com/LawrenceLepard | George Bodine https://x.com/Jethroe111 Bitcoin #BitcoinForBeginners #BitcoinBoomers Educational only. Not financial, legal, tax, or investment advice. Do your own research.
Are Bitcoin miners abandoning Bitcoin for AI? Is Bitcoin's fee market broken? And did Michael Saylor get this one wrong? In this episode of Bitcoin Boomers, Bob Burnett, Larry Lepard, and George Bodine dive into one of the biggest debates facing Bitcoin in 2026. Public mining companies are pivoting toward AI infrastructure, hash rate is declining for the first time in Bitcoin history, BIP-110 has ignited fierce discussion throughout the ecosystem, and the future of Bitcoin mining may look nothing like what we've assumed. If you care about Bitcoin's long-term security, mining economics, decentralization, or the future of block space, this is one conversation you don't want to miss. 👇 Support the show • Subscribe for weekly Bitcoin Boomers episodes • Share this episode with another Bitcoiner Chapters 00:00 Intro 00:31 State of Bitcoin mining today 02:15 Why hash rate is falling for the first time 05:05 Public miners are struggling 07:12 AI vs Bitcoin mining 10:28 Are our assumptions about mining wrong? 14:06 Decentralization improves as miners exit 17:15 Mining economics explained 21:18 Why public miners are pivoting to AI 27:12 "Good riddance" to Bitcoin miners? 31:05 Why AI is attracting all the capital 34:42 Is the four-year cycle still alive? 39:30 The real purpose of Bitcoin mining 43:12 Why block space matters 47:30 Banks could become major miners 52:02 Responding to Michael Saylor's comments 57:45 Can Bitcoin fees replace the subsidy? 1:03:42 Larry Lepard on BIP-110 1:08:55 Thinking 10–20 years ahead 1:13:20 Final thoughts Bitcoin #BitcoinMining #MichaelSaylor #AI #BIP110 #LarryLepard #BobBurnett #GeorgeBodine
Bitcoin Boomers is where real-world experience meets Bitcoin. Hosted by Gary Leland, Lawrence Lepard, and Bob Burnett,the show breaks down money, inflation, debt, markets, mining, and the future of the financial system in straight, practical language.The hosts bring decades of expertise across tech, investing, entrepreneurship, and macroeconomics.They’ve lived through recessions, currency shocks, bubbles, and policy mistakes.They explain why Bitcoin matters in a world defined by rising debt and declining purchasing power.Each monthly episode delivers clear insight into:• Bitcoin as sound money• Inflation and currency debasement• Retirement risk and wealth preservation• Bitcoin mining and energy• Monetary policy and long-term cycles• The changing structure of global financeGary Leland is a Hall of Fame podcaster and founder of BitBlockBoom.
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