The Beyond Tomorrow Podcast with Julian Issa

BT Clip: AGI Pioneers: ChatGPT Won’t Get Us to AGI.. Here’s What Will (Ben Goertzel)

September 1, 2026·9 min
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Are large language models like ChatGPT and Claude enough to create AGI?In this clip, Ben Goertzel explains why today’s LLMs are incredibly powerful, but still fundamentally different from true artificial general intelligence.He argues that simply building a bigger version of ChatGPT or Claude is unlikely to produce human-level AGI. Instead, reaching AGI will require new AI architectures that can go beyond their training, generalize to unfamiliar problems and make genuinely novel leaps in reasoning.Ben also explains why current models can already outperform humans in areas like coding, mathematics and knowledge retrieval, while still struggling with the kind of imagination and general intelligence humans use to push beyond existing knowledge.Full episode here: https://open.spotify.com/episode/7wGN1x0vQQgdzoktHipqBK?si=454702357d55415e

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