The Beyond Tomorrow Podcast with Julian Issa

Ben Goertzel: Whoever Gets AGI First Can CONQUER THE PLANET

August 28, 2026·52 min
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How close are we to AGI?This episode is brought to you by AgelessRx, where aging becomes a puzzle that can be solved. The mission is to help you live longer and healthier by adding more life to your years through science-backed solutions and personalized care. Learn more at http://agelessrx.com/beyond-tomorrowThe race toward AGI is entering a new phase. Ben Goertzel explores alternative paths to intelligence beyond simply building bigger models.The conversation also examines the global AI race. The U.S. and China are competing for technological leadership. But the future of AI may not remain centralized.Then comes the bigger question: what happens after superintelligence? Goertzel imagines AI that could protect humanity. It could even help overcome aging, disease, and other human limitations.Ben Goertzel is an AI researcher, futurist, and CEO of SingularityNET and BGI Labs. Widely recognized as one of the pioneers of Artificial General Intelligence, he has spent more than two decades developing decentralized AI systems designed to benefit humanity.What You’ll LearnWhy the AI revolution may be bigger than previous technological shiftsHow AI could become an extension of human intelligenceWhy agency may matter more than machine consciousnessHow the brain creates a simulated model of realityWhether consciousness could emerge on different substratesWhy AI alignment is also a problem of human alignmentHow AI could help humanity become smarter and more coherent⏱ Timestamps00:00 Intro00:07 What Happens in the Next 12 Months?03:41 Why China Is Catching Up07:36 Why China Wants AI Control10:18 Can Governments Control AI?13:02 Human-Level AGI vs Superintelligence15:35 Will ASI be Chinese or American?17:47 The Next Breakthrough to AGI21:05 How AI Could Become More Intelligent22:23 Why Language Powers AI27:33 Can Decentralized AI Change Everything?32:23 The Global Race vs Decentralized AI36:22 Would Superintelligence Protect Humanity?40:19 Can We Build Compassionate AGI?46:27 Why AI Arms Races Are Dangerous51:14 Why Governments Shouldn’t Control AI53:17 Can the Government Keep Up With AI?54:00 Will Open AI Challenge Big Tech?55:12 The Future of Decentralized AI56:27 Could 2045 Arrive by 2028?Connect with BenWebsite: https://singularitynet.io/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bengoertzel X: https://x.com/bengoertzel Connect with JulianInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thebeyondtomorrowpodcast/  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/juliankissa/  LinkedIn: https://uk.linkedin.com/in/julian-issa  Website: www.beyondtomorrowpodcast.com Email: bookings@beyondtomorrowpodcast.com Subscribe on Spotify, Apple, and YouTube for more stories from the edge of what is possible.

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