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Fabulous time today visiting with authors Adrienne Gibson and Scot McKnight on their new book Traumatized Church: What Paul's Relationship with the Corinthian Church Teaches Us About Helping Those Who are Hurting. Adrienne brings the perspective of a licensed therapist and Scot the knowledge of a New Testament scholar and together they have written a really hopeful and informative book on trauma, the church, Paul and the Corinthians, and on individual and collective healing. A must listen for anyone working in the church or who loves the church! Show Notes:Paul and Thecla from 2nd centuryTraumatized ChurchValor Counseling - Adrienne’s Practice in Mesa, Arizona Scot Mcknight on SubstackScot’s booksKey TopicsTrauma in the church and its impactPaul's vulnerability and trauma as a leaderTrauma-informed and trauma-sensitive church practicesChapters00:00 The Peace of Wild Things02:06 Introducing the Authors and Their Journey09:31 Understanding Trauma11:47 The Church as a Traumatic Space15:45 Becoming Trauma-Informed19:16 Transforming Pain: Insights from Paul and the Corinthians27:57 Understanding Paul's Humanity30:46 The Impact of Trauma on Leadership35:47 The Role of Pastors in Modern Churches41:34 Breaking the Cycle of Harm in Churches45:25 The Importance of Trauma Awareness in Ministry
Today on the pod sisters, co-authors, and co-founders of Wild Church Network and The Center for Wild Spirituality Valerie Luna Serrels and Victoria Loorz join us in sacred conversation. In this lovely conversation we visit about unlearning patriarchal ways of being, the importance of deep noticing, the reemergence of reciprocal relationships with the human and more than human world, and the mycelial network that connects us all. This is such an important and expansive conversation for the wild times we find ourselves in! Show Notes:Margaret Wheatley - Using Emergence to Take Social Innovation to ScaleDean Radin, PhD - IONSThe AI Doc: Or How I Became an Apocaloptimist The Great AI Unraveling: Tristan Harris on Sounds of SANDThe Holy Wild PodcastWild Church NetworkWild Church OnlineWhy I Should Hike Every Day No Matter What by Rosemerry Wahtola TrommerKey TopicsThe roots and growth of the Center for Wild Spirituality and Wild Church NetworkThe paradigm shift towards interconnectedness and emergence in spiritualityThe biomimicry and feminist principles guiding wild church structuresThe role of love, love as awareness, and sacred reciprocity in transformationScience and spirituality: understanding the impact of consciousness on the physical worldThe importance of community, unlearning, and vulnerability in spiritual evolutionChapters00:00 The Power of Nature and Freedom03:49 Introduction to the Wild Church Network06:54 Roots of the Center for Wild Spirituality09:42 Emergence and Community Building12:32 Biomimicry and Networking15:27 The Role of Feminine Leadership18:37 The Importance of Listening and Awareness21:25 Love and Change in the World24:11 Worldview Shift and Sacred Reciprocity27:24 Personal Journeys of Undoing30:06 The Journey of Trust and Passion36:42 Navigating Personal Struggles and Community Support39:07 The Journey of Acceptance and Grief43:45 Understanding Burnout and Resilience47:28 The Sacredness of Life's Challenges50:29 Awareness and Renewal in the Face of Grief54:51 Emerging Futures and the Balance of Hope and Grief58:47 Choosing Love Amidst Uncertainty
We were so honored to speak with the author of Everything is a Story Kaitlin Curtice! Kaitlin is a an award-winning author, poet-storyteller, public speaker, and enrolled citizen of the Potawatomi nation. Today she walks us through the importance of the stories we tell ourselves, rewriting the stories we’ve been told that we’ve outgrown, and telling new stories about community and connection to ourselves, to the land, and to one another. Join us as we dive deep this week into stories, imagination, and hope amidst collapse. Show Notes:Substack - Liminality JournalEverything is a StoryKaitlin’s InstagramDon’t Bother the Earth Spirit by: Joy HarjoTakeawaysStories are time capsules that evolve with us, reflecting our growth.Grief is a sacred space that, when embraced, can lead to profound healing.Imagination is a vital tool for envisioning a better world and living beyond our limitations.Connecting with ancestors and the earth provides guidance and strength.Healing stories require patience, presence, and a willingness to face discomfort.Chapters00:00 The Power of Storytelling04:02 Childhood Narratives and Personal Growth12:20 Healing Through Reflection and Connection17:46 Catalysts for Change and Presence23:51 Collective Stories and Community Healing27:55 Healing Through Grief and Community31:18 The Role of Imagination in Writing36:07 Wisdom of Midlife Transitions41:47 Navigating Edges: Pleasure, Risk, and Pain47:35 Fear and Failure as Invitations50:27 Claiming Words as Medicine
Conservation ecologist and writer Dr. Andrea Adams joins us on the pod today! We chat about nature, spirituality, finding new pathways as life shifts in unexpected ways, and hope that's rooted in action during these uncertain times. Andrea brings depth, honesty, and reminders of nature's reciprocity and endless invitations in our conversation and through her lovely Substack Hopecology. Show notes:Dr. Andrea Adams Website Hopecology Christ the Yogi: A Hindu Reflection on the Gospel of John How Dark the Beginning by Maggie Smith Key TopicsThe role of hope in ecological and personal resilienceThe intersection of science, spirituality, and indigenous knowledgeTransformative experiences and personal growth after traumaThe importance of doubt and humility in scientific practicePractical actions for hope and care in ecologyChapters00:00 The Dark and the Light: A Poetic Introduction02:47 Introducing Dr. Andrea Adams: A Journey of Hope and Ecology06:43 The Birth of Hopecology: From Trauma to Transformation10:25 Spirituality and Personal Evolution: A Complex Relationship18:37 Finding Hope Amidst Environmental Collapse24:19 Transformation Through Adversity: Embracing the Roar34:54 Embracing Your Strange Path36:00 Navigating the Edges of Comfort38:39 The Nature of Science and Intellectual Humility46:28 Reciprocity Between Science and Spirituality54:10 Hope as Action in Ecology01:01:32 Learning from Nature: Biomimicry and Reciprocity
Today is Radical Sacred’s 100th Episode! Hard to believe we’ve spent 100 hours conversing with artists, theologians, poets, authors, naturalists and more over the past 2.5 years. Each conversation has been a joy and has served as an invitation to a deeper knowing of self and the world around us. Friend of the pod Melissa Fritchle who is a Holistic Psychotherapist and Spiritual Counselor, a Wild guide with Center for Wild Spirituality and co-founder of Intimate with the Moon and Soil and the author of The Conscious Sexual Self Workbook and the substack Soul Entwined with Earth, interviews us about all the lovely inner workings of Radical Sacred. We loved talking with her about intimacy, our hopes, our roots, and more in this special episode. Thank you for listening to us, for journeying with us, and for your support! There is no Radical Sacred without our community of listeners and friends and we are grateful for you! Show NotesRadical Sacred Substack Radical Sacred Website Radical Sacred on YoutubeMelissa Fritchle’s WebsiteMelissa’s Substack - Soul Entwined with Earth Intimate with the Moon and Soil - Melissa’s new venture!On Friendship by Khalil GibranKey TopicsThe origin of the podcast and its focus on deep, rooted conversationsThe importance of vulnerability and authenticity in spiritual spacesThe role of nature and interconnectedness in personal growthChapters00:00 The Essence of Friendship02:31 Celebrating 100 Episodes05:36 The Journey of Radical Sacred13:03 The Dynamics of Friendship17:02 Vulnerability in Conversations30:47 Transformative Beliefs and Worldviews35:12 The Journey of Transformation35:59 Attention and Intention in Pilgrimage37:34 Memorable Conversations and Surprising Insights39:07 The Impact of Connections and Community40:59 Navigating Change and Personal Growth42:44 The Role of Community in Times of Crisis44:18 Interconnectedness and Collective Hope47:34 Radical Sacred: Embracing Change53:19 Looking Ahead: Future Conversations and Themes
Today we are blessed to chat with Sister Lynne Smith, Amy Alstad, Everline Jeruto, and Mary David Walgenbach of Holy Wisdom Monastery of Madison, Wisconsin. Holy Wisdom is an Ecumenical Benedictine Community that is known for their land restoration, love of the earth, and love of all people. We chat about restoration of land, reciprocity in the natural world, deep connections, and welcoming humans and the more than human world as if they were Christ. We were so inspired by the work of Holy Wisdom and know you will be too!Show Notes:Holy Wisdom MonasteryFacebookInstagramYouTubeMidday Prayer StreamRegal Fritillary Butterfly How Would You Live Then by: Mary OliverKey TopicsEcumenical Benedictine communityLand restoration and prairie plantingEcological listening and biomimicryCommunity, justice, and hospitalityRenewable energy and net zero goalsChapters01:00 The Beauty of Nature and Reflection02:01 Introduction to Holy Wisdom Monastery05:25 The Heartbeat of Holy Wisdom Monastery13:04 Listening to the Land19:09 Towards a Sustainable Future21:02 Funding and Community Engagement22:51 Welcoming All: A Benedictine Approach26:19 Restoration and Ecological Hospitality33:05 Modeling Community and Reciprocity40:39 Cultural Exchange and Learning43:40 Finding Joy in Nature47:58 Retreats: A Space for Reflection51:28 Hopes for the Future
Rev. Dr. Shively Smith joins us on the pod today! Shively is a professor, author, speaker, lover of water, mom, and avid gamer who visits with us about Howard Thurman, the new testament, guides, ancestors, listening to the small voice within and much more. Join us as we learn to navigate all that is before us and walk that strange path that leads us to our truest selves. Show Notes:Fisk UniversityHoward Thurman - Meditations of the HeartGreg Ellison - Anchors in the Spirit and Fearless DialoguesHoward Thurman - With Head and HeartRenita J. Weems - Just a Sister Away: A Womanist Vision of Women’s Relationships in the BibleShively Smith - Strangers to Family: Diaspora and 1 Peter’s Invention of God’s HouseholdUnion Combined Parish - Boston, MAShively Smith - Reading Howard Thurman: His Practice of Interpretation Through Womanist EyesImagesofinterpreation.com shivelysmith.com Key TopicsWater as a spiritual practice and source of clarityHoward Thurman's influence on faith and justiceThe role of biblical interpretation in social justiceThe significance of the unnamed in biblical storiesCourage and openness in encountering guides and strangersChapters00:00 The Power of Grief and Nature's Call03:01 Introducing Shively Smith: Scholar and Gamer08:11 The Significance of Water in Spirituality11:37 Howard Thurman: A Personal Connection15:14 Thurman's Integration of Inner and Outer Life19:42 The Journey of a Biblical Scholar25:48 The Role of Mentorship and Ancestral Guidance32:12 Courage in Divided Times34:22 The Journey to New Testament Scholarship38:52 Engaging with First Peter41:48 Interpreting Biblical Texts Through a Modern Lens48:15 From Mercy to Justice55:04 The Art of Interpretation and Awakening
Today we are joined by David Dault as we dive into his new book The Accessorized Bible. David is an author, professor at Loyola University, award-winning screenwriter, media producer, consultant, podcaster and radio host. We chat about his book which includes beautiful passages on James Baldwin, loving with intention, bringing our own moral lens to the bible, and more! This is a fascinating and wide-ranging conversation. We are grateful for David and his invitation to look more in depth: at our own souls, at the ways we interpret the bible, and at the ways we connect to others. Show Notes:Substack - David Dault is writing thingsThe Accessorized Bible The Francis Effect PodcastThings Not Seen: Conversations About Culture and FaithDavid at Loyola University Karl Rahner banana essay - Theology of FreedomThe Good PlaceHannah Arendt - On ViolenceAn Octopus has Three Whole Hearts by: Joy Sullivan Key TopicsThe metaphor of the Bible as an accessory versus a rulebookThe importance of moral seriousness and slow reflectionThe concept of takun olam (repairing the world)The role of love and responsiveness in faith and relationshipsThe impact of technology on empathy and storytellingChapters01:00 The Heart of an Octopus: A Poetic Introduction02:01 David Dalt: A Multifaceted Journey03:00 The Evolution of a Career: From Music to Academia05:59 Things Not Seen: Conversations on Culture and Faith10:44 Navigating Faith in a Polarized World14:45 The Bible: A Tool for Good or Evil?20:10 The Accessorized Bible: Purpose and Timing26:17 Moral Seriousness: Slowing Down to Reflect30:52 Technology and Its Ethical Implications32:02 Exploring Technology and Power Dynamics34:32 The Role of Narrative in Repairing the World37:43 The Impact of Technology on Empathy38:56 Transcending Technique in Art and Life43:22 The Bible: A Source of Questions and Insights47:14 Influences and Ancestry in Thought51:49 Catastrophic Love and Institutional Challenges59:30 The Intention to Love in Relationships
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Remember, you are on sacred ground. Stay rooted.For two years Jenny Misslin and Rev. Phil Dieke have been contemplating a podcast. An opportunity to discuss spirituality, nature, community, and the interconnectedness of it all. All things they love, are very anxious about, and eager to explore. Radical, defined as "the relating to the fundamental nature of something." This term can be divisive, but to Jenny and Phil it is an invitation to connect back to the divine goodness, the sacred, at the core of all creation. Radical Sacred is an invitation to join them in curiosity as they explore questions such as:What is an experience that led you to a kinder, more inclusive spirituality?Who was the first person you met that broadened your ideas about the Divine?Where do you experience the Holy?If liberation of self leads us on a pathway to liberation for all, what has that looked like in your own spirituality?<l
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