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A new way to unlock the ’’secret source’ for business leaders and entrepreneurs. Quality of Mind - explores ’Before Psychology’ to create a foundational shift in performance, peace and potential. A game changing understanding of the Mind to transform business. Realise exponential human potential in every aspect of business and work. Hear interviews, examples, and ideas, that might just change how you see the world.
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- 2 weeks ago1h 22m
The Thought Bouncer: Can We Really Choose Our Thoughts?
This podcast series explores a game-changing understanding of the human mind that operates ‘Before Psychology’—the Secret Source that exponentially increases peace, performance and potential for any individual or organisation. In this episode, I’m joined by Nikki Langman, a professional speaker and emotional intelligence practitioner with 25 years’ experience in corporate HR and learning and development. We begin with the familiar response, “I’m fine”, and explore a question we rarely ask: who is the “I” whose experience we are trying to understand, improve or manage? Through creative projects, long-distance running and everyday decisions, we investigate the distinction between choosing happening and a separate self doing the choosing. The episode conversation brings us repeatedly back to a deeply familiar assumption: surely I can choose how I respond? Along the way, we explore flow, the conditioned “avatar”, aperture and the case of mistaken identity. Nikki shares what happens when the mental “tapes” stop playing during a run, and closes by reflecting on what it might mean to release the reins. Key Discussion Takeaways Looking before the content of “I’m fine” to the “I” itself. What our experiences of flow reveal about self-preoccupation. The difference between understanding an idea and investigating it directly. The assumption of a separate chooser. How aperture relates to creativity, resourcefulness and perceived possibilities. “Real but Never True”: why felt experience can be compelling without being what it appears. Recognising our mental tapes, including the persistent story of a self in charge. Neutral noticing and the possibility of releasing the need to control. Key Chapters include: 06:23 — Starting with the “I”: identity, the avatar and flow 15:54 — Who are you beyond your descriptions? 25:37 — Choosing happening—but can we find a chooser? 37:47 — Can a thought have its own thoughts? 40:45 — Aperture and the case of mistaken identity 49:44 — “But I can choose how I respond” 56:03 — Activity rather than entity; Real but Never True 1:03:19 — Choice, decisions and obviousness 1:08:43 — Running beyond the mental tapes 1:14:34 — Defensive certainty versus clear assertiveness 1:19:10 — Neutral noticing Curious? Want to know more? If you want to know more about Nikki, you can find her profile here and connect to her newsletter here Explore all things Quality of Mind Take the 3-Minute Quality of Mind Quiz Audio Intro Short Course — a free six-part introduction. Introduction to Quality of Mind e-book YouTube Explainer: What is Before Psychology? Watch past clients describe their experience of Quality of Mind Follow Piers Thurston on LinkedIn Subscribe to the Quality of Mind YouTube channel TASTE THE MANGO — YouTube — all about Direct Inquiry. Explore for yourself. Enjoyed the episode? Please follow, share and leave a review. It helps more people discover Quality of Mind and explore what might be available before the familiar work of managing themselv
- Aug 10, 202657 min
Who's Really In Charge? The Search for Flow & Presence
This podcast series explores a game-changing understanding of the human mind that operates ''Before Psychology''- the Secret Source' that exponentially increases the peace, performance, and potential for any individual or organisation. What if the 'me' trying to access flow and presence is itself the misunderstanding? In this episode, Piers continues his conversation with Deborah Hurwitz, host of the Productivity for Perfectionists Summit® After their first conversation opened up powerful questions around procrastination, perfectionism, flow and the deeper nature of mind, they recorded a further conversation to explore the central question underneath everything: Who, or what, is really in charge? Deborah begins with a distinction familiar to many high achievers, creatives and perfectionists: the difference between flow and presence. Flow can seem like the state where the self disappears and life simply moves. Presence can seem like something more deliberate: the self stepping back, observing, witnessing, noticing and trying to become more grounded. But as the conversation unfolds, that distinction begins to loosen.Piers invites Deborah into a direct inquiry into the nature of self, attention, body, sensation, perception and awareness. Rather than trying to understand consciousness as a concept, they look directly at what is available in experience. Where is the “me” that owns attention? Where is the personal, localised consciousness that seems to be “in here”? Do we actually experience the body directly, or only through thought, sensation and perception? And is the body the container of consciousness, or does the body appear within consciousness? The key distinction that emerges is this: The body-mind is not an entity that has consciousness. It is an activity of consciousness. This begins to shift Deborah’s understanding of presence. Presence is no longer another job for the self to perform. It is not the perfectionist self becoming a better observer. It is not “Deborah” taking responsibility for witnessing experience more skilfully. Instead, presence begins to look more like coming home. By the end of the episode, Deborah sees that even the role of “observer” can become another subtle responsibility for the self. And then something lands: What if presence is not “I am observing”? What if even the responsibility of being the observer can be released? This is not a tidy teaching. It is a live inquiry. A conversation about flow, presence, consciousness, identity, responsibility and the case of mistaken identity. And it points to the the heart of Quality of Mind: Undoing The Case of Mistaken Identity The one trying to be in charge may be part of the very misunderstanding we are looking through. Highlights 02:05 — Deborah’s hunger for a different conversation Deborah describes why the first episode went somewhere different from conventional psychology, trauma, patterning or behavioural approaches. 05:28 — Flow versus presence Deborah names the distinction she wants to explore: flow as an unselfconscious state, and presence as being aware of being here, now. 09:19 — Where do you think you are? Piers asks the question that shifts the episode: in either flow or presence, where does Deborah think she is? 09:48 — The location of consciousness Deborah names the question she had almost brought into the conversation: what is the location of consciousness? 11:34 — Entering direct inquiry Piers invites Deborah to look directly, in real time, without relying on concepts, models or inherited ideas. 15:36 — “My attention” Deborah notices that attention moves, but still feels like “my attention”. Piers explores how the “my” is created. 16:43 — Can you find the “my” entity? The inquiry turns towards whether the separate owner of attention can actually be found before thought, sensation and perception. 21:24 — How do you know you have a body? Piers brings the inquiry into the body, asking how the body is known in direct experience. 25
- Jul 9, 20264 min
A Snippet Ep 24: Why Seeing Through Self-Identification Matters
From the QUALITY OF MIND Podcast Part of the ‘Not Even 5 Mins Series’ (Ep24) Part of the Not Even 5 Mins Series In this short Quality of Mind snippet, we explore why seeing through self-identification matters. The central misunderstanding is that we take ourselves to be a separate self. A person who has to be improved, protected, managed, fixed, developed and proven. But what if that “self” is not what we fundamentally are? When we believe we are this separate self, life can become a constant project of identity-management. We try to control, upgrade and succeed as something that may not actually be solid in the first place. That can create enormous stress and psychological pressure. Quality of Mind points to the possibility of seeing through this Case of Mistaken Identity. As that becomes clearer, something relaxes. The fight with reality softens. The pressure to manage the “me” eases. More peace, clarity, resilience, creativity and possibility become available. This is not just relevant when life feels difficult. It is also relevant when life is already going well. Because seeing through self-identification can support the shift from striving to thriving. Curious? Want to know more? Explore the full conversation with Katijn, where we go deeper into seeing no self, Direct Inquiry, the Case of Mistaken Identity, and the freedom that becomes available when self-identification begins to loosen. Full episode Here: Explore all things Quality of Mind: www.qualityofmind.biz 3-Minute Quality of Mind Quiz: Discover how much your understanding of the mind may already be shaping your performance, peace and potential.
- Jul 6, 20263 min
A Snippett - Ep23: Why 'Feeling Better' Is Keeping You Small (3min)
From the QUALITY OF MIND Podcast Part of our 'Not Even 5 Mins Series' Snippet Episode 32: Comfort is Quietly Killing Us | Why Real Freedom Isn’t What You Think In this excerpt from the Quality of Mind: Transforming Business podcast, we explore a powerful illusion that underpins much of modern life: the pursuit of comfort as a path to freedom. From coping in the workplace to chasing emotional ease, we innocently limit our lives to what feels “safe” or “manageable.” But true freedom isn’t found in avoiding discomfort—it’s found in being free with it. Discover why the pursuit of comfort often contracts our experience rather than expands it, and how real liberation lies in seeing beyond the pedestal we’ve put feelings on. 00:21 The Illusion of Comfort 00:37 True Freedom Defined 01:05 The Trap of Seeking Comfort 02:06 Workplace Realities and Coping 03:03 Embracing Discomfort for Growth
- Jul 6, 20264 min
A Snippet (Ep 22): You are NOT choosing Your Thoughts (4min)
From the QUALITY OF MIND Podcast Part of the ‘Not Even 5 Mins Series’ (Ep22) In this short Quality of Mind snippet, we explore one of the most provocative implications of the Quality of Mind understanding: there is choosing, but no separate chooser ie. we don't have a separate free word or agency. It can look obvious that “I” am the one making choices. I decide. I think. I act. I control. I make things happen. But when we slow down and look more carefully, something interesting begins to reveal itself. There is thinking going on. There is choosing going on. There is doing going on. But can we actually find a separate thinker, chooser or doer behind it all? In this snippet, Piers points to the difference between turning Quality of Mind into another technique, compared to noticing what is already happening before the mind turns it into a personal task. The usual assumption is that there is a separate body-mind “me” with agency and control over thoughts, actions, behaviours and outcomes. That assumption is so familiar that we rarely question it. But but when we look at it differently directly, the picture looks different. Thoughts arise. Actions happen. The body moves. Words come. Decisions appear. And then the mind often claims ownership afterwards. “I did that.” “I chose that.” “I thought that.” Quality of Mind invites us to look directly at this. Where did the thought actually come from? Did “you” choose the thought before it appeared? Or did the thought simply appear, with the idea of “me thinking it” arriving as another thought? This is the simple but powerful distinction: There is choosing, but no chooser. There is thinking, but no thinker. There is doing, but no separate doer. This is not about becoming passive, fatalistic or detached from life. Life clearly continues. Choices still appear. Action still happens. Planning still happens. Responsibility still has practical meaning. But the pressure of the separate “me” trying to control the whole system can begin to loosen. And that matters. Because so much of our stress, striving and overthinking comes from the assumption that there is a separate self inside the system who must get the right thoughts, make the right choices and control the right outcomes in order to be okay. When that assumption softens, flow often becomes more available. Not because we have learned a better way to control life. But because we have begun to see that life was never being run by a separate controller in the first place. Curious? Want to know more? This is a short extract from a longer conversation with fellow coach Deborah, where we explore Quality of Mind, flow, self-identification, the illusion of free will, and what it means to notice life happening before the idea of a separate “me” takes ownership. Full episode: Here Follow-up resources: Explore all things Quality of Mind: https://www.qualityofmind.biz/ 3-Minute Quality of Mind Quiz: Discover how much your understanding of the mind may already be shaping your performance, peace and potential: https://www.qualityofmind.biz/quiz/ Audio Intro Short Course: A short introduction to the understanding behind Before Psychology: https://qualityofmind.online/courses/qomaudiointrocourse/ Video: Why Do We Describe Quality of Mind as Before Psychology? — clear short intro: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y99iy9yiCeM Watch past clients talk about the power of Quality of Mind: https://qualityofmin
- Jul 3, 20262 min
A Snippet (Ep21): All Reality is Real and Never True. (3min)
From the QUALITY OF MIND Podcast Part of the 'Not Even 5 Mins Series' Episode: 21 In this short Quality of Mind snippet (episode 14), we explore one of the core implications explored in Quality of Mind: Real but Never True. Everything we experience is real in the sense that it is vivid, felt and alive. We can feel it in the body. It can look obvious. It can seem to be happening to us. But that does not mean it is ultimately true in the way it appears. Using the example of a vivid dream, this snippet points to how an experience can feel completely real while it is happening. The body can react, the heart can race, and the experience can seem undeniable. Yet when we wake up, we recognise that it was not objectively happening to us in the way it appeared. Quality of Mind invites us to consider whether waking life is more similar than we normally assume. Not fake. Not imaginary. But a perceptual creation. Real as experience, but not true as a fixed, objective reality happening outside the mind to a separate “me”. This matters because so much of our stress, pressure and reactivity comes from believing that our wellbeing is determined by external events and circumstances. The difficult email. The bank balance. The work issue. The family drama. The thing that did or did not happen. When these are taken as objectively determining us, psychological freedom narrows. When we begin to see that experience is real but never true, something loosens. We can still deal with the practical realities of life, but with less identification, less contraction and more freedom. Curious? Want to know more? This is a short extract from a longer conversation with fellow coach Adam, where we go deeper into the avatar, the Case of Mistaken Identity, Direct Inquiry, and what it means to see beyond the self we usually take ourselves to be. Full episode: When a lifelong coach encounters Quality of Mind: exploring beyond the avatar Follow-up resources: Explore all things Quality of Mind: www.qualityofmind.biz 3-Minute Quality of Mind Quiz: Discover how much your understanding of the mind may already be shaping your performance, peace and potential Video: Why Do We Describe Quality of Mind as Before Psychology? — clear short intro Watch past clients talk about the power of Quality of Mind here Follow Piers on LinkedIn for regular posts and reflections Subscribe to our YouTube channel for quick, powerful insight videos For a more in depth looking into the Before Psychology nondual understanding behind Quality of Mind listen here or here TASTE THE MANGO YouTube and Sub stack all about Direct Inquiry, Explore for yourself
- Jun 11, 202657 min
The Game Behind the Game: Football & Quality of Mind
The podcast series explores a game-changing understanding of the human mind that operates “Before Psychology” — the secret source that exponentially increases peace, performance, and potential for any individual or organisation. Football, Flow and the Game of Life: What Sport Reveals About the Mind In this episode, Piers is joined again by Craig Wilman for a different kind of Quality of Mind conversation: using football as a live metaphor for the mind, performance, identity, flow and the way we relate to life. Starting with the strange joy of Spurs fans celebrating survival, Piers and Craig explore why our happiness often looks conditional on outcomes, whether that’s a football result, a work promotion, a presentation, a business result, or life going the way we think it should. The conversation moves through football fandom, tribal identity, penalties, pressure, VAR, flow state and the illusion of getting life “right”. Beneath the humour and football chat is a deeper question: what changes when we see that life, like football, is real, meaningful and alive, but not ultimately who we are? This episode points to a simple but powerful insight: when we see life more like a game, we do not become less engaged. We become more present, freer, more creative and less burdened by the need for everything to go our way. Key Discussion Takeaways Football shows us how quickly joy, disappointment, identity and meaning can be created by narratives and thought. Pressure is not caused by the importance of the moment, but by self-identification with the outcome. Flow happens more naturally when there is less “me” trying to control, prove or perform. Seeing something as “just a game” does not make it trivial. It can make us more present and alive within it. VAR becomes a metaphor for the human habit of overthinking, over-optimising and trying to get life perfectly right. The same freedom football fans can feel when they step outside the stadium is available in the rest of life too, even in the apparently serious stuff. Key Chapters include: 00:00 Introduction: why football belongs on a Quality of Mind podcast 01:28 Joy vs relief: Spurs, survival and conditional happiness 06:28 Healthy and unhealthy attachment to football 07:34 “Real and never true”: football as a metaphor for life 10:49 Passion, presence and neutral attachment 15:19 Tribal identity, separation and the safety of belonging 18:24 Fan behaviour, pantomime and football as a learned role 20:19 Football hooliganism, primal instincts and contraction 24:09 England, penalties and discovering okayness after defeat 26:28 Penalties, pressure and attachment to outcome 31:33 Identity, performance and what happens when we go “off the boil” 34:14 Psychological safety and the training mindset 39:03 Flow state in sport, work and creativity 42:22 VAR: overthinking, optimisation and the joy we accidentally remove 49:17 Why okayness is already built in 53:28 The game of football and the game of life 55:48 Losing yourself in joy, then remembering you are still okay Curious? Want to know more? Explore all things Quality of Mind at 3-Minute Quality of Mind Quiz Discover how much your understanding of the mind may already be shaping your performance, peace, and potential. Audio Intro Short Course A short introduction to the understanding behind Before Psychology. Get started with the e-book Follow Piers Thurston on LinkedIn for regular posts and insights exploring the Quality of Mind understanding.
- May 17, 202651 min
The Point of Now: Identity, Presence and Seeing Through the Busy Mind
The Point of Now: Presence, Identity and Seeing Through the Busy Mind The podcast series explores a game-changing understanding of the human mind that operates “Before Psychology” — the secret source that exponentially increases peace, performance, and potential for any individual or organisation. A simple yet powerful way to see through the noisy mind In this episode, Piers speaks with fellow coach and author Suzie Yeulett about her new book The Point of Now, and the simple but profound direction it points towards: the present moment, the nature of thought, and the resilience that is already available beneath the noise of the mind. The conversation explores how much of our suffering comes from living in the mind’s projections of past and future, and how presence is not something we need to find, force or practise, but something that is already here. Suzie shares how her own experience of being with her mother at the end of life revealed a natural resilience that she had not created through tools, techniques or self-improvement. Piers and Suzie also explore the deeper Quality of Mind theme of mistaken identity: what is the “self” actually made of, and what changes when identity is seen as thought, sensation and perception rather than something solid? The episode moves from practical examples of anxiety and overthinking into a deeper inquiry into presence, feeling, identity and the possibility of living with less striving and more natural clarity. Key Discussion Takeaways Presence is already here - it is not something we need to manufacture or force Much of our pressure comes from thought travelling into past and future Identity is not fixed or solid; it appears through thought, sensation and perception The “self” may not be something to improve, but something to see through Feeling is not a problem to fix - we are designed to feel This is not about adding another technique, reframe or grounding tool Simple noticing can reveal how the mind works and naturally lighten the load Life becomes less serious when the role of the mind is seen more clearly Key Chapters include: 03:33 How change can happen through recognition rather than tools or techniques 05:08 Suzie explains “the point of now” and her inverted triangle framework 06:50 Presence is already here - we are not looking for something missing 08:42 The everyday operating system of busy-mindedness and control 10:08 Anxiety, overthinking and asking: “where is the problem right now?” 12:18 The “fear of fear” and how anticipation creates suffering 13:51 Realisation versus using presence as another technique 14:48 What is identity, and why “shifting identity” may miss the deeper point 16:05 Direct experience inquiry and seeing the self as psychological 18:49 The case of mistaken identity and why it keeps us in the operating mind 20:10 Taking things personally and how that contracts perspective 21:24 Neutral noticing, expanded aperture and seeing that it is not really happening to “me” 23:17 The part of us that is undamaged by experience 24:35 Why we are designed to feel, rather than distract ourselves from feeling 27:05 When the conceptual mind has nowhere to go 28:07 What babies show us about feeling without self-identification 29:38 Seeing the mind move from invisible, to subtle, to obvious 32:24 How trying to be present can reinforce the separate self 36:54 How far simple noticing can take us 38:11 Loosening the conviction of separate identity 41:10 The relief of seeing there may not be a problem to fix 41:51 Why the words are not the point - the recognition underneath is 43:47 Natural change versus more tools, protocols and strategies 50:15 Life becomes less serious when we take the mind less seriously Curious? Want to know more? Explore Suzie's book "The Point of Now" . Highly recommended. You can get some free chapters on the link. and Buy it here now https://amzn.eu/d/5fyskTl Suzie's LinkedIn profile is here Explore all things Quality of Mind at www.qualityofmind.biz 3-Minute Quality of Mind Quiz Discover how much your understanding of the mind may already be shaping your performance, peace, and potential. Audio Intro Short Course A short introduction to the understanding behind Before Psychology. Get started with the<a href='https://qualityofmind.biz/ge
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