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by Leah McHenry
Legacy Launchpod is a podcast for kingdom-minded entrepreneurs who want to build a family legacy through a business.
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- Apr 14, 202654 min
#34 Should Creatives Fear AI? | A Hopeful Christian Perspective
In this episode, Leah sits down with Kristen Estes — web designer, creative agency owner, product leader, and long-time multi-passionate creative — for a timely and honest conversation about AI, creativity, ethics, and the future of work. With so much noise online around artificial intelligence — from fear-driven headlines to overhyped promises — Leah wanted to bring on someone who is actually in the trenches using these tools every day in the creative world. Kristen brings a uniquely grounded perspective: she was an early adopter of AI, has worked closely with it in design and product development, and yet now has stronger boundaries and more caution than when she first started. Together, they unpack the tension so many creatives are feeling right now: Is AI a threat… a tool… or both? Kristen shares how AI is already disrupting real jobs in tech and design, why it’s becoming dangerous to completely ignore it, and how the people who thrive in this new era will need to think less like task-doers and more like directors — guiding systems, shaping output, and creating value beyond execution alone. But this conversation doesn’t stay purely practical. Leah and Kristen also go deeper into the spiritual and philosophical side of technology: how humans have always adapted through major shifts like the printing press, why our identity can’t be rooted in work alone, and how Christians can approach AI without fear while still maintaining discernment, ethics, and clear personal boundaries. They talk openly about deepfakes, regulation, AI-generated music, the “slop” problem in content, originality vs. iteration, and why in a world flooded with synthetic output, real soul, craftsmanship, and human connection may become more valuable than ever. This episode is a must-listen for creatives, entrepreneurs, and business owners who want to understand where AI actually fits — and how to use it wisely without losing what makes your work truly human. In this episode, we explore: Why AI has become one of the biggest tensions in the creative world Kristen’s background in web design, publishing, product leadership, and creative work What it looked like to be an early adopter of AI How AI is already disrupting jobs in tech, design, and entry-level creative roles Why the future belongs to people who can think like directors, not just executors The printing press parallel — and what history teaches us about technological disruption How Christians can think about work, purpose, and identity in an AI-driven age Why it may be dangerous to ignore AI completely The importance of setting clear ethical boundaries around how you use these tools Concerns around AI video, deepfakes, privacy, and image misuse Why AI should help with brainstorming and iteration — not replace original thought The difference between borrowing inspiration and losing integrity in the creative process Why “AI slop” may actually increase the value of high-quality human-made work How Kristen uses AI in design workflows without fully depending on it The limits of AI-built websites and why great design still requires human judgment Why digital experiences that lead to offline connection are becoming more valuable AI-generated music, synthetic content, and the growing need for discernment How faith, hope, and adaptability can anchor us in a rapidly changing future ⏩ CHAPTERS AI Fear and Hype Show Intro and Guest Setup Kristin's Creative Career Early AI Adoption Story Jobs Disrupted by AI Thinking Like a Director Printing Press Parallel Faith Purpose and Work Use AI But Set Boundaries Ethics for Creative Work Original Work Matters Borrowing Versus Stealing Mermaid Candle Backlash AI as Iteration Tool Designers Versus Builders Limits of AI Websites Building My Own App Digital Bridge to Offline AI Music and Deepfakes Hopeful Faithful Future GET HELP FROM LEAH: 💰⛏️ The Goldmine (for complete beginners): https://leahmchenry.com/goldmine/ ⚫ Apply for Mentorship & Work with Leah: https://tidycal.com/team/legacylaunchpad/strategy-chat ❤️ CONNECT WITH LEAH: Instagram — https://www.instagram.com/realleahmchenry/ Facebook — https://www.facebook.com/realleahmchenry Thanks for tuning in! Be
- Mar 18, 202638 min
#33 Faith, Family & Business | A Legacy Blueprint
In this episode, Leah sits down with Judi Robinson — a longtime Etsy creator and mother of five daughters — for a clarity-building strategy session on turning a creative family dream into a cohesive, scalable business. Judi joined Legacy Launchpad because Leah’s focus on faith, family, and legacy resonated deeply. She and her daughters have spent years creating (patterns, kits, handmade projects), but now they’re at a familiar crossroads: they have the heart and the skills… but not a single clear direction that the market can instantly understand. Leah starts by giving Judi the “3-second clarity test” for websites: within seconds, a visitor should know what it is, who it’s for, and how to buy — and Judi’s current site doesn’t yet pass that test. From there, they zoom out to the bigger question: who are you truly serving? As they talk, a powerful niche begins to emerge: multi-generational family connection — helping families get off screens, be present, and create meaningful memories together. Leah walks Judi through a simple but effective market framework: start with the who, identify the pain points, research what’s already working in the market, and then build a flagship offer that meets real demand. They also explore a brand model that can scale: a personal brand flywheel (values-led content and trust) that drives traffic to a product-based Shopify store (kits, activities, conversation starters, and more). Judi shares one of her most impactful traditions: placing “question cards” at family gatherings that intentionally connect generations — a small idea with big potential. This episode is for creators, moms, and faith-driven entrepreneurs who feel stuck in “too many ideas,” fear putting themselves out there, or keep researching instead of executing — and need a clear path forward that honors both family and business. In this episode, we explore: Judi’s journey: 15+ years building a creative business on Etsy Why she joined Legacy Launchpad (faith + family legacy vision) Leah’s 3-second website clarity rule (what is it, who is it for, how do I buy?) How to choose a core offer when you have too many creative directions A simple niche framework: who → pain points → market gaps → best-fit offer The intersection idea: multi-generational family connection + creative activities Why iteration and feedback are essential in product development Subscription kits, holiday gathering kits, and scalable upsells (family size, age groups) Building trust with a personal brand, then selling through a product store Fear-based procrastination vs. action-based growth Why clarity cuts through noise in content and marketing A practical exercise: listing “don’t wants” vs. “wants” to shape product strategy Conversation starters + place cards that intentionally create connection Creating anticipation with snail mail and pre-event experiences Brain-dump meetings → narrowing down to a flagship offer Why your “WHY” must stay visible to fuel execution and momentum ⏩ CHAPTERS Gut Check Moment Legacy Launchpad Intro Meet Judi Robinson Why She Joined Website Clarity Test Choosing A Core Offer Niche Research Framework Family Kits And Iteration Personal Brand Flywheel Fear To Action Clarity Cuts Noise List Symptoms and Wants Phones and Disconnection From Pain to Desire Conversation Starters Idea Place Cards That Connect Anticipation and Snail Mail Brain Dump to Flagship Offer Website and Brand Structure Why Drives Implementation GET HELP FROM LEAH: 💰⛏️ The Goldmine (for complete beginners): https://leahmchenry.com/goldmine/ ⚫ Apply for Mentorship & Work with Leah: https://tidycal.com/team/legacylaunchpad/strategy-chat ❤️ CONNECT WITH LEAH: Instagram — https://www.instagram.com/realleahmchenry/ Facebook — https://www.facebook.com/realleahmchenry Thanks for tuning in! Be sure to follow and leave a review!
- Feb 24, 202634 min
#32 Turning Your Music into an Empire
In this episode, Leah sits down with composer, performer, and educator Gabriel Santiago for a real-time strategy session on what it actually takes to build a sustainable music career online — especially in a world where streaming doesn’t pay, attention is fractured, and AI is changing everything. Leah kicks off by sharing the origin story behind her own online music journey: how she built an audience from home as a young mom (without touring), learned the psychology of sales and marketing through trying to sell music, and eventually turned a small group of super fans into a real business — which later became Savvy Musician Academy. Gabriel’s story mirrors that evolution in a powerful way. Originally from Brazil, Gabriel has built a full-time career across multiple lanes: performing, composing, teaching at universities, private instruction, and his online mentorship program, the Brazilian Guitar Institute. But now he’s at a familiar crossroads that most multi-talented musicians hit: Do you keep everything under one personal brand… or separate the “artist brand” from the “education platform” so it can scale? Leah walks Gabriel through the core question that changes everything: owner’s intent — are you building a lifestyle brand, a legacy brand, or a platform that could become a sellable business someday? From there, they unpack how musicians can expand beyond “just gigs,” use team support and AI tools to repurpose content, and build a more predictable revenue engine through ads, list-building, and even micro transactions that create higher-quality buyers. This conversation is a must-listen for musicians, composers, and educators who want to scale without burning out — and who are ready to build something bigger than a stream count. In this episode, we explore: Leah’s original path: building a music career online without touring The “1,000 Super Fans” concept — and why it still matters How Savvy Musician Academy was born from an ebook flop and course experimentation Gabriel’s journey from Brazil to the U.S. and building a full-time music career Balancing multiple income streams: teaching, commissions, performing, and online mentorship Should you separate your personal brand from your platform brand? (and when) The “owner’s intent” question that determines your entire strategy Why building a platform “like you’re going to sell it” creates a stronger business Using AI tools to find soundbites, repurpose content, and speed up content creation Team building, delegation, and what only the founder should keep doing Ads and funnels for creatives: building predictable revenue beyond launches The shift from free lead magnets to micro transactions (and why it changes list quality) Navigating the noisy AI landscape and why trust + personal brand will win Gabriel’s vision: retreats, camps, and expanding into a broader music platform ⏩ CHAPTERS Introduction to Legacy Launchpad Liam McHenry's Musical Journey Building a Music Career Online Creating Super Fans and Savvy Musician Academy Introducing Gabriel Santiago Gabriel's Musical and Teaching Career Balancing Personal and Professional Brands Expanding the Personal Brand Expanding the Music Platform Building a Sellable Business Personal Branding for Musicians Leveraging AI in Content Creation Team Building and Delegation Repurposing Content for Growth Advertising Strategies Future Plans and Vision Micro Transactions and List Building Navigating the Shifting Landscape Final Thoughts and Contact Information GET HELP FROM LEAH: 💰⛏️ The Goldmine (for complete beginners): https://leahmchenry.com/goldmine/ ⚫ Apply for Mentorship & Work with Leah: https://tidycal.com/team/legacylaunchpad/strategy-chat ❤️ CONNECT WITH LEAH: Instagram — https://www.instagram.com/realleahmchenry/ Facebook — http://facebook.com/realleahmchenry Join the Facebook Group — https://www.facebook.com/share/g/1F41sdD3pP/ Thanks for tuning in! Be sure to follow and leave a review!
- Feb 9, 202632 min
#31: How Artists, Authors, and Musicians Can Build a Thriving Business Online | Katherine Leckie
In this episode, Leah sits down with Katherine Leckie, a talented painter and creative entrepreneur, for a real-time coaching session on scaling as an artist — without getting trapped in “either/or” thinking. Katherine shares her journey of building her business over the last year and a half: selling original paintings, commissions, and prints… then taking a bold step into digital by creating and launching art tutorials. But after a launch that didn’t take off the way she hoped, she found herself stuck at a crossroads: Do you double down and keep relaunching the tutorials? Or pivot into something new — like a high-end stationery brand built around her artwork? Leah walks Katherine through a powerful reframe that applies to every creative entrepreneur: you’re not “just” a painter, musician, or author… you’re a personal brand. And under that umbrella, you can explore multiple streams — original art, prints, physical products, digital offers, experiences — until you discover the 20% that produces 80% of your results. Then the conversation goes deeper. Katherine opens up about her hesitation to be “seen,” her introverted nature, and the real tension between leaning into slow living versus leaning fully into what truly drives her work: faith, transcendence, and the classical Christian values of goodness, truth, and beauty. This episode is a must-listen for any artist or creative who feels paralyzed after a “flop,” unsure what to focus on next, or afraid of wasting time and money… especially if you’re being called to build something deeper than a product line — a brand with meaning. In this episode, we explore: Katherine’s journey from selling a few paintings to pursuing a scalable creative business What to do after a “flopped” launch — and how to turn it into useful data Why creatives get stuck in “either this or that” thinking (and how to break out of it) Treating yourself like a personal brand — not just a person who makes art Multiple streams under one umbrella: originals, prints, merch, tutorials, and physical products Why the culture you’re building matters more than the product you’re selling The difference between vague branding (“slow living”) and quantifiable markets (faith-based) Standing out by clearly defining what you stand for — and what you stand against Building a brand around goodness, truth, and beauty (and why it resonates right now) Practical “rebranding” without drama: letting people hop on or off the bus Why the breakthrough might be closer than you think — and the danger of quitting too early ⏩ CHAPTERS Introduction to Scaling and Personal Branding Welcome to Legacy Launchpad Coaching Session with Katherine Luckey Katherine's Artistic Journey Exploring Business Avenues Building a Personal Brand Faith-Based Branding Strategy Clarifying Your Brand Vision The Importance of Standing Out Embracing Your Unique Values The Power of Beauty in Art Exploring New Avenues Building a Personal Brand Reaffirming Your Values Final Thoughts and Encouragement GET HELP FROM LEAH: 💰⛏️ The Goldmine (for complete beginners): LeahmchenryThe Goldmine - Leah McHenry ⚫ Apply for Mentorship & Work with Leah: TidycalStrategy Chat - Leah McHenry ❤️ CONNECT WITH LEAH: Instagram — Instagraminstagram.com/realleahmchenry Facebook — Facebookfacebook.com/realleahmchenry Join the Facebook Group — FacebookLog into Facebook Thanks for tuning in! Be sure to follow and leave a review!
- Jan 26, 202644 min
#30: My Teen Made $200,000 in 5 Months
In this episode of Legacy Launchpad, Leah sits down with her eldest son, Ryder, to unpack one of the most unexpected and powerful case studies to ever come out of the family business. What started as a “slow season experiment” — launching a second candle brand in just 30 days — quickly turned into a full-scale apprenticeship in entrepreneurship, responsibility, and growth. Within six months, Ryder stepped into the driver’s seat of the brand’s marketing and helped scale it past multiple six figures, including nearly $50,000 in December alone. This conversation will inspire you about what happens when a young entrepreneur goes all in, takes ownership, and stops treating business like a side hobby. Leah and Ryder break down how homeschooling, character training, and real responsibility created the foundation for fast growth — and why the real limiting factor in business is almost never the business itself. From quitting a job and joining the family venture, to running ads, writing copy, launching campaigns, and making executive decisions, Ryder shares what it’s actually like to be thrown into the deep end — with guidance, accountability, and real stakes. This episode is especially powerful for: - Parents raising entrepreneurial kids - Young adults unsure if they’re “ready” for business - Entrepreneurs stuck at the same income ceiling - Anyone caught in tire-kicker mode instead of ownership mode It’s honest, practical, and deeply encouraging — without sugarcoating the work it takes to grow. In this episode, we explore: - How a second candle brand went from idea to launch in 30 days - Why Ryder quit his job to join the family business full-time - The role of homeschooling in developing ownership and self-direction - What it means to treat business as an apprenticeship, not a job - Running ads, writing emails, and owning marketing decisions at 19 - The mindset shift from “I don’t have enough time” to expanded capacity - Why December nearly hit $50K — just five months after launch - The difference between responsibility and micromanagement - Why “realistic goals” often kill momentum - How setting uncomfortable targets drives real growth - The freedom (and intensity) of entrepreneurship during peak seasons - Balancing business, health, creativity, and personal passions - Ryder’s YouTube channel and creative work outside the business - Why business does not reward tire kickers — and what to do instead - This conversation is part case study, part mentorship, and part reality check — especially for anyone who feels stuck, overwhelmed, or unsure if they’re capable of more. ⏩ CHAPTERS Introduction: The Limiting Factor Welcome to Legacy Launchpad Interview With My Eldest Son Launching a New Candle Brand Joining the Family Business Homeschooling & Entrepreneurship Roles and Responsibilities Lessons Learned in Business Reflecting on Success and Growth Taking Directions From Family Top Skills for Young Entrepreneurs Setting Ambitious Goals The Freedom of Entrepreneurship Balancing Work & Personal Life Adapting to Business Demands Passions Beyond Business Final Thoughts & Advice GET HELP FROM LEAH: 💰⛏️ The Goldmine (for complete beginners): https://leahmchenry.com/goldmine/ ⚫ Apply for Mentorship & Work with Leah: https://tidycal.com/team/legacylaunchpad/strategy-chat ❤️ CONNECT WITH LEAH: Instagram — https://www.instagram.com/realleahmchenry/ Facebook — http://facebook.com/realleahmchenry
- Jan 12, 202629 min
#29 - Pivot, Test, Scale: How One Launch System Generated $24K in 60 Days
In this episode, Leah sits down with author and entrepreneur Tina Koutras, whose journey took one of the wildest turns we’ve seen inside Legacy Launchpad. What started as a plan to build an audience for her upcoming book suddenly flipped into an unexpected “side quest” — launching a niche candle brand that exploded far beyond her expectations. Tina originally joined Leah’s program to fix what past programs couldn't deliver. This time she wanted clarity, strategy, and a real social presence before releasing her next novel. But while waiting for her manuscript to come back from editing, she decided to test Leah’s launch system on something smaller… a hobby she’d always dabbled in: horror-themed candles. What happened next shocked even her. By following the program step-by-step — without skipping the “ingredients” — Tina and her husband launched Horrified Candles, tapped into a passionate 365-day Halloween/horror niche, collected over 120 post-purchase survey responses, and generated $13,000 in the first 45 days and $24,000+ within two months. And then came the plot twist: Shopify terminated their store without warning, shutting down 30+ pending transactions. Instead of quitting, they rebuilt a new site in 24 hours, got reinstated, and kept going. This episode is a must-listen for any entrepreneur who feels stuck, overwhelmed, or afraid to pivot — especially creatives and authors who want to build a loyal audience before their big launch. In this episode, we explore: * Tina’s original goal: launching her book the right way after her first attempt fell flat * Why she chose to “test” Leah’s launch system on a candle brand * The power of choosing a hyper-specific niche (horror fans & 365-day Halloween lovers) * How she validated demand fast with pre-orders and early email list building * The 120+ post-purchase survey insights that shaped her direction * Why skipping steps in the process derails most new entrepreneurs * Shopify shutting down her store — and how they rebuilt everything in 24 hours * The mindset shift needed to push through “sink or swim” moments * How this candle brand will now feed her book launch audience * Building a 2,200+ person “seed list” before publishing * The long-term plan: cross-pollinating readers and buyers, bundles, and loyalty fans * Why every failure is “just a data point” — and how to use it as fuel This conversation is encouragement, strategy, and real-world resilience all in one. ⏩ CHAPTERS Introduction and Initial Setback Welcome to Legacy Launchpad Meet Tina: Pivoting From Book to Candles Launching Horrified Candles Overcoming Challenges and Achieving 5-Figure Success Email Lists, Niche Fans & Future Book Launch Plans Lessons on Consistency, Research & Messy Action Conclusion and Where to Find Tina GET HELP FROM LEAH: 💰⛏️ The Goldmine (for complete beginners): https://leahmchenry.com/goldmine/ ⚫ Apply for Mentorship & Work with Leah: https://tidycal.com/team/legacylaunchpad/strategy-chat ❤️ CONNECT WITH LEAH: Instagram — https://www.instagram.com/realleahmchenry/ Facebook — http://facebook.com/realleahmchenry
- Jan 7, 202633 min
#28 - Simplify to Scale | Turning Catholic Gifts into a Premium Brand
In this episode, Leah sits down with Katie Ratliff, a Catholic mom of five and founder of a faith-based gift company, for a live, real-time strategy session on simplifying her product line and stepping confidently into the premium market. Together, they unpack what it looks like to move from “Catholic gift shop” to being known for one signature, premium bracelet offer — without losing the heart for ministry, motherhood, or mission. Katie shares how she started with Catholic children’s clothing, made all the classic e-commerce mistakes (too many products, unclear niche, trying to be “just Christian” instead of clearly Catholic), and then completely shifted her business after going through Leah’s course. Once she embraced her Catholic audience, did deep-dive market research, and created her petite “saintly stacks” bracelet line, she finally saw validation — complete with Shopify “ding, ding, ding” notifications during her first pre-order launch. Now that the bracelets are proven and repeat customers are coming back, Katie is at a crossroads: keep juggling multiple gift categories or fully “hang her hat” on stackable bracelets and take them premium. Leah walks her through how to evaluate her catalog, think in terms of a marquee offer, introduce bundles and starter kits, explore higher-end materials and personalization, and even consider subscription and community-based offers that support long-term growth. This conversation is a must-listen for any faith-driven product-based entrepreneur — especially moms — who feel torn between too many product ideas, limited time, and the desire to build a business that truly supports their family, church, and future dreams. In this episode, we explore: Katie’s journey from Catholic children’s clothing to a thriving bracelet-focused gift brand Common “don’t do this” mistakes in early e-commerce (too many SKUs, unclear niche, vague faith branding) How clearly owning “Catholic women” as her audience shifted her marketing and growth Validating a new product with pre-orders and watching Shopify “ding” as the saintly stacks took off The difference between a “gift shop” and a signature marquee offer that puts you on the map Using bundles, starter kits, and upsells to raise average order value without overwhelming customers Quarterly product audits: how to decide what stays, what gets cut, and where your profit really comes from Moving into the premium market with better materials, personalization, and higher perceived value Brainstorming renewable and subscription-style offers, from consumables to digital community and discipleship Involving your family in the business, setting faith-filled goals (like a future trip to Italy), and dreaming big again Encouragement for entrepreneurs who feel stuck in the weeds and need clarity on their next 10 feet, not the next 5 years ⏩ CHAPTERS Introduction to Legacy Launchpad Meet Katie Ratliff: Catholic Mom and Entrepreneur Katie's Business Journey: From Clothing to Bracelets The Power of Niche Marketing and Product Focus Challenges and Strategies for Business Growth Optimizing Product Offerings and Customer Experience Exploring Premium Market Opportunities Exploring Premium Customer Needs Complexity as a Market Barrier Personalization and Premium Market Revenue Goals and Vision for the New Year Subscription Products and Business Stability Building a Community and Movement Family Involvement and Business Growth Encouragement and Final Thoughts GET HELP FROM LEAH: 💰⛏️ The Goldmine (for complete beginners): LeahmchenryThe Goldmine - Leah McHenry ⚫ Apply for Mentorship & Work with Leah: TidycalStrategy Chat - Leah McHenry ❤️ CONNECT WITH LEAH: Instagram - InstagramLogin • Instagram Facebook - FacebookLeah McHenry Join the Facebook group - FacebookLog into Facebook Thanks for tuning in! Be sure to follow and leave a review!
- Dec 8, 202526 min
#27: From $600 Goal to Five-Figure Months | Stewarding Time, Faith, and Business
In this episode, Leah sits down with Sue, a homeschool mom and French teacher who turned a “realistic” $600/month goal into consistent five-figure months — all while prioritizing family, faith, and her local church. Sue shares how she went from teaching French in public school to serving homeschool families, and eventually launching a digital French academy from her living room. What began as a small side income quickly grew once she shifted her mindset, 10x’d her goals, and started “building the plane while flying it” instead of waiting for everything to be perfect. You’ll hear how she finds “margins of time” in a full schedule, treats short blocks of focused work like seeds God can multiply, and keeps her family and church as non-negotiable priorities while still growing a thriving business. This conversation is a must-listen for any parent who feels called to build a business but worries there’s not enough time, energy, or capacity to do it well. In this episode, we explore: 👉 How Sue went from a $600/month “realistic” goal to multiple five-figure months 👉 Why mindset and expectations were the real ceiling on her income 👉 Launching a digital French program for homeschoolers with a tiny email list 👉 What it looks like to “build the plane while flying it” in real life 👉 Using small “margins of time” (8–15 minutes) to do high-impact work 👉 How Sue ties specific tasks to potential financial return (and why it motivates her) 👉 Balancing marriage, motherhood, church leadership, and business without compromise 👉 How viewing work as worship shifts your attitude toward effort and setbacks 👉 The role of coaching and community in getting results faster (with less wasted time) 👉 Encouragement for discouraged entrepreneurs who feel like nothing is working yet ⏩ CHAPTERS Introduction and Success Story Welcome to Legacy Launchpad Interview with Sue: Homeschooling and Business Journey Starting the Digital Business Mindset Shift and Business Growth Balancing Family, Faith, and Business Encouragement and Final Thoughts GET HELP FROM LEAH: 🟢 The Goldmine (for complete beginners): https://www.leahcoach.com/goldmine-waitlist ⚫ Apply for Mentorship in Legacy Launchpad: https://tidycal.com/team/legacylaunchpad/strategy-chat 💌 Get helpful emails from Leah about business, family, and faith: https://leahmchenry.com/newsletter ❤️ CONNECT WITH LEAH: Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/realleahmchenry/ Facebook - http://Facebook.com/realleahmchenry Join the Facebook group - https://www.facebook.com/share/g/1F41sdD3pP/ Thanks for tuning in! Be sure to follow and leave a review!
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