
In this episode, Jonathan Malm and Jason Young dig into Chapter 5 of How to Get a Return on Failure by John Maxwell and get surprisingly personal doing it. Jason opens up about navigating a genuinely heavy season in real time. Jonathan reflects on what getting fired, building a business, and supporting his wife through her darkest season all happening simultaneously actually produced in him. And both of them wrestle with the question every church leader eventually has to answer: are you running from God, or running to Him?In this episode, you'll learn:Why your brain is literally wired to avoid difficult, and how to work against that instinctThe dangerous trap of praying for growth while avoiding the very process that produces itHow playing it safe as a leader doesn't just limit you, it limits everyone on your teamWhy the leader who pursues hard builds capacity that comfort simply cannot produceWhat Netflix, Blockbuster, and COVID all have to say about ministry resilienceHow to lead from underneath a difficult boss in a way that pays dividends for yearsThe difference between being Job and being JonahPlus, Jonathan and Jason make the case that the hard season you're tempted to escape right now might be the one that defines your leadership forever.
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