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by Jonathan Malm
A podcast for church leaders who want to grow but don’t have time to read every book. Join authors Jonathan Malm and Jason Young as they break down leadership books chapter by chapter, sharing practical insights and real-life ministry applications along the way. Whether you’re reading along or just listening in, this is your go-to resource for becoming a better leader... One conversation at a time.
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- 4 days ago31 min
Kindness Isn't Soft... It's the Most Important Part of Our Leadership
Nobody wants to admit they want to be liked. But what if likability isn't about feeding your ego... What if it's about whether people actually want to follow you?Welcome to Season 4 of the Church Staff Book Club. Jonathan Malm and Jason Young are diving into their own book, Likable Leader, and right out of the gate they're wrestling with the title itself. Because "likable" sounds like something a people-pleaser cares about, not a serious leader. Except the research says otherwise. And so does every volunteer who ever quietly stopped showing up.In this episode, you'll learn:Why likability has nothing to do with personality type and everything to do with consistent behaviorThe critical difference between being nice and being kind as well as why confusing them is quietly killing your team cultureHow the strongest leaders use kindness while holding people accountableWhy the banking metaphor is the most honest picture of how trust actually works in leadershipWhat "honor culture" gets wrong and why you shouldn't have to manufacture what should happen naturallyWhy people stay with leaders not because of competence but because of how they're consistently treated7 simple questions to take inventory of your own likability right nowPlus Jonathan shares what it was like watching his brother lead a worship team with zero sugarcoating and total loyalty from everyone on it, why the sandwich feedback method is eroding trust faster than you think, and why being a chameleon leader is the fastest way to lose your kids.
- 1 weeks ago30 min
Your Team Doesn't Fear Failure, They Fear Your Response
After seven chapters on personal failure, John Maxwell finally turns the lens outward, and the implications for church leaders are significant. Because here's the thing: your team members probably aren't afraid of failing. They're afraid of you when they do.In this episode, Jonathan Malm and Jason Young dig into Chapter 8 of How to Get a Return on Failure, exploring what it actually looks like to lead a team through failure, not just survive it yourself. Jonathan opens up about teaching his five-year-old to lose at chess, a team member who nervously brought him honest feedback, and why the phrase "they need to pay their dues" is one of the most insecurity-revealing things a leader can say. Jason reflects on what it was like to work for leaders who only ever talked about their wins and what that quietly communicated to everyone around them.In this episode, you'll learn:Why higher-level leaders are often more okay with failure than lower-level onesHow to create psychological safety before a failure happens, not afterWhy sharing only your wins quietly tells your team they're the only ones strugglingThe power of sharing the messy middle, not just the transformation storyWhy failure is an event, not a person and how to lead your team to actually believe thatHow closing the learning curve gap for others is one of the most powerful things a leader can doWhy the relay race metaphor exposes what's wrong with most generational leadership in churchesPlus an honest conversation about why churches preach "no perfect people allowed" but rarely show anyone mid-struggle, and what that does to the people on your staff.📥 Download the free Failure Debrief Tool at churchstaffbookclub.com
- 2 weeks ago30 min
How to Know If Your Failure Was Worth It
Not all failures are created equal. The question isn't just did it fail, it's whether it was a good miss or a bad miss. And knowing the difference might be the most important leadership skill you're not practicing.In this episode, Jonathan Malm and Jason Young dig into Chapter 7 of How to Get a Return on Failure by John Maxwell, unpacking how to evaluate whether a failure was worth attempting in the first place and what to do about it either way. From Saturday night services that never quite took off, to putting the wrong people in the wrong roles, to the tension between cutting your losses and staying faithful to a long-term vision... this one gets practical fast.In this episode, you'll learn:The 7 criteria Maxwell uses to determine if a failure was a good miss or a bad missWhy evaluating only the outcome of a failure misses the most important part of the pictureThe hole-in-the-street story and what it reveals about leaders who keep failing the same wayWhy good doers don't automatically make good leaders (and how misplacing people quietly kills ministries)How to know when to cut your losses versus when to stay the course and why there's no magic dividing lineThe danger of building a codependent ministry where "if they're okay, I'm okay"Why trying to do everything for everyone is quietly eclipsing the things your church actually does wellPlus Jonathan makes a sharp observation about churches holding on to people out of competition rather than calling, and Jason unpacks why the decisions you make before you launch something matter just as much as what happens after.
- 3 weeks ago32 min
Failure isn't the Problem. Skipping the Evaluation Is.
In this episode, Jonathan Malm and Jason Young unpack Chapter 6 of How to Get a Return on Failure by John Maxwell, walking through Maxwell's practical "cycle of improvement" and making the case that it's not failure itself that makes you better, it's what you do with it. Jonathan opens up about his current season of experimenting with AI coding (including building a video game with Claude Code and a live display system for his coworking space). Jason gets honest about the temptation to make too many improvements all at once and why small, compounding tweaks almost always beat sweeping overhauls.In this episode, you'll learn:The 6-step cycle of improvement: test, fail, evaluate, learn, improve, and re-enter and where most leaders get stuckWhy "evaluated experience" is a better teacher than experience aloneThe dangerous gap between learning a lesson and actually incorporating itHow to know if you're operating with a fixed mindset or a growth mindset and why it determines everythingWhy the best churches don't chase growth. They pursue excellence until growth is demandedWhat Chick-fil-A's Truett Cathy has to say to every church obsessed with getting biggerWhy re-entering after failure takes more courage than the original attempt and why it's non-negotiablePlus Jonathan reflects on what it means to unlearn the wrong lessons from failure, and Jason drops a free tool (the Failure Debrief Loop) you can use with yourself and your team.Download the free Failure Debrief Loop at churchstaffbookclub.com
- Jun 23, 202630 min
Nobody Signs Up for Difficult, but It's What You Need
In this episode, Jonathan Malm and Jason Young dig into Chapter 5 of How to Get a Return on Failure by John Maxwell and get surprisingly personal doing it. Jason opens up about navigating a genuinely heavy season in real time. Jonathan reflects on what getting fired, building a business, and supporting his wife through her darkest season all happening simultaneously actually produced in him. And both of them wrestle with the question every church leader eventually has to answer: are you running from God, or running to Him?In this episode, you'll learn:Why your brain is literally wired to avoid difficult, and how to work against that instinctThe dangerous trap of praying for growth while avoiding the very process that produces itHow playing it safe as a leader doesn't just limit you, it limits everyone on your teamWhy the leader who pursues hard builds capacity that comfort simply cannot produceWhat Netflix, Blockbuster, and COVID all have to say about ministry resilienceHow to lead from underneath a difficult boss in a way that pays dividends for yearsThe difference between being Job and being JonahPlus, Jonathan and Jason make the case that the hard season you're tempted to escape right now might be the one that defines your leadership forever.
- Jun 16, 202629 min
Building Resilience Through Failure Makes You Irreplaceable
Every leader fails. The question isn't whether it'll happen. It's what you do in the moments after. Do you get bitter, or do you get better?In this episode, Jonathan Malm and Jason Young dig into Chapter 4 of How to Get a Return on Failure by John Maxwell, unpacking how failure can become one of the most powerful tools in your leadership development... if you know how to use it. Jason gets refreshingly honest about a leadership experience that went sideways just days before recording, and Jonathan reflects on why the pressure to perform actually grows the more successful you become.In this episode, you'll learn:Why your response to failure says more about you than the failure itselfHow to ask the right questions after a setback so you actually grow from itWhy the same failure that hardens some leaders softens others and how to make sure you're in the right campThe trap of posturing at conferences (and why the most desperate people in the room often learn the most)How building resilience through failure actually makes you irreplaceable over timeWhy pain and failure by themselves don't produce growth and what actually doesHow to shift from being the person doing the cool things to being the person equipping the people doing the cool thingsPlus a surprisingly rich detour through Pharaoh's hardened heart, Erasmus, and what clay and wax have to do with your next leadership setback.
- Jun 2, 202631 min
Stop Fearing Rejection... Become Unstoppable
Failure is hard enough on its own. But when ego gets involved, it can take a setback and turn it into a full identity crisis. This chapter is about getting out of your own way.In this episode of the Church Staff Book Club, Jonathan Malm and Jason Young dig into Chapter 3 of How to Get a Return on Failure by John Maxwell: "Get Over Failure by Getting Over Yourself." Because sometimes the hardest thing to recover from isn't the failure itself. It's the story you tell yourself about it.🎧 What We Cover in This Episode:Why ego makes failure more damaging than it needs to beThe subtle difference between "I failed" and "I am a failure" and why it mattersJonathan's simple prayer before speaking that changed everythingFive filtering questions for deciding whose criticism is actually worth listening toWhy defensiveness is where growth endsHow to become comfortable with rejection (even if you hate it)Why most "rejections" aren't actually about you at allThe role of humor in recovering from mistakes and what it reveals about securityWhy ministry leaders are exhausted from protecting an image that may not even existProgress over perfection: why your 40s, 50s, and 60s may be your best years yet📖 We're Reading: How to Get a Return on Failure by John Maxwell Follow along chapter by chapter with us!💬 Key Quotes from This Episode:"When you're 20, you care about what everyone thinks. When you're 60, you realize no one was ever thinking about you in the first place.""The sooner you stop fearing rejection, the sooner you can become unstoppable.""You can't be a leader and focus on yourself."🔗 Connect & Subscribe:Follow us on social media and join the conversationSubscribe so you never miss a chapterGrab How to Get a Return on Failure by John Maxwell and read along with us
- May 26, 202631 min
Success Can Actually Hurt Your Future
We talk a lot about learning from failure. But what about success? It might be quietly doing more damage than you think.In this episode of the Church Staff Book Club, Jonathan Malm and Jason Young dig into Chapter 2 of How to Get a Return on Failure by John Maxwell. The big idea: success and failure don't belong in isolation, and when we treat them that way, both become dangerous.🎧 What We Cover in This Episode:Why success can deceive you just as much as failure can discourage youThe danger of "I am a success" vs. "I am a failure" and why both are wrongWhy the most successful people are sometimes the worst ones to write the bookHow repeated success quietly causes you to misalign your values and your whyWhy churches struggle to define success and how failure helps realign itThe importance of doing an autopsy on your wins, not just your lossesJonathan's story: the tuxedo skit that nobody learned anything fromJason's honest confession: falling into the identity trap with book reviewsTwo practical tools to evaluate success and failure: Five Whys and KaizenThe quarterly journal idea for tracking your team's progress like a scoreboard📖 We're Reading: How to Get a Return on Failure by John Maxwell Follow along chapter by chapter with us!💬 Key Quotes from This Episode:"I am a success is just as dangerous as I am a failure." "Success can inflate your ego. Failure attacks it. How do you live inside both?" A bad day doesn't make you a bad leader."🛠 Free Tools Coming: Jonathan and Jason are building individual and team debriefing tools based on this conversation. Download them at churchstaffbookclub.com🔗 Connect & Subscribe:Follow us on social media and join the conversationSubscribe so you never miss a chapterGrab How to Get a Return on Failure by John Maxwell and read along with us
About Church Staff Book Club
A podcast for church leaders who want to grow but don’t have time to read every book. Join authors Jonathan Malm and Jason Young as they break down leadership books chapter by chapter, sharing practical insights and real-life ministry applications along the way. Whether you’re reading along or just listening in, this is your go-to resource for becoming a better leader... One conversation at a time.
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