Church Staff Book Club

Humility Is Making Room for Everyone Else

September 8, 2026·2h 58m
Episode Description from the Publisher

Arrogance makes leadership about the leader. Humility makes leadership big enough for other people. And the difference between the two might be the thing your team is waiting for you to figure out.In this episode, Jonathan Malm and Jason Young dig into Chapter 7 of Likable Leader, reframing what humility actually means for leaders and why it has nothing to do with downplaying yourself or deflecting every compliment. From false humility that argues with people trying to encourage you, to ego quietly becoming part of your organization's operating system, this conversation goes places most leadership books won't.In this episode, you'll learn:Why humility and insecurity are not the same thing and how confusing them is quietly shrinking your organizationThe real test of humility: not whether you can admit you're good at something, but what happens inside when someone tells you that you areHow to know if your ego has become part of your church's operating system (hint: if nothing can happen without your approval, it has)Why letting a 60% idea win is sometimes better for your organization than making sure your best idea always gets throughWhat happens in the room when a leader admits "I got that wrong" and why the exhale you'll hear is one of the most powerful moments in team cultureWhy shrinking the vision to match yourself is actually a form of arrogance, not humilityThe parenting analogy that perfectly captures what long-term humble leadership looks likePlus Jonathan reflects on what it cost his team when he spent years fighting to make sure his ideas won, and Jason calls out the soundtrack many leaders play on repeat: "if I'm leading, I need to have the answer."

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