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- Mar 3, 202627 min
350. Rebuilding After Loss: Farm, Family & Home with Shawn and Beth Dougherty
A Note from Michael: The Thriving Farmer Podcast is currently on pause as we navigate a busy season on the farm. While we're taking this break, we're excited to share Farm in Focus, a special series of short, focused conversations recorded earlier this year. These bite-sized episodes highlight practical insights from farmers and experts across the industry. We hope they're helpful and encouraging as you continue your farming journey. What does it look like to rebuild—not just a house, but a sense of home—after loss? In this Farm in Focus episode, Michael sits down with Shawn and Beth Dougherty to talk about the journey of rebuilding their farmhouse after losing it in a fire. What began as a devastating loss became a catalyst for a deeply meaningful family project—one rooted in resilience, shared work, and intentional design. Shawn and Beth reflect on the emotional and practical realities of starting over, how their grown children contributed their skills to the rebuild, and the lessons they carried forward from their original home. From architectural choices that emphasize natural light and gathering spaces, to the importance of porches, durability, and legacy, this conversation is ultimately about belonging—on the land and with one another. This episode offers encouragement for anyone walking through loss, rebuilding something meaningful, or seeking to create spaces that foster connection, family, and community. In this episode, you'll hear about: Rebuilding After the Fire How the fire became the catalyst for a family-wide rebuilding effort [01:35] Why rebuilding was essential for a sense of belonging and continuity [01:35] The role of community support in their recovery [01:35] Designing a Home with Intention Lessons learned from their original farmhouse [10:58] Why natural light and open gathering spaces mattered most [10:58] How porches and outdoor spaces shape daily life and hospitality [10:58] Family, Legacy & Community How their children contributed professional skills to the rebuild [21:44] Building a home meant to last for generations [21:44] Why investing in family relationships is foundational to stability [21:44] Doing the right thing—even when it's hard [21:44] Bio: Shawn and Beth Dougherty have been homesteading together since 1985, for the past 35 years in northern Appalachia. They raise dairy and beef cows, pigs, and poultry on a small acreage designated by the state of Ohio as "not suitable for agriculture." The Doughertys write, teach, and speak on holistic grazing and inputs-free farming, using grass-fed ruminants to restore abused land and build fertile, resilient farmsteads. They are the authors of One Cow Revolution, The Independent Farmstead, and The Independent Farmstead's Field Guides to Inputs-Free Farming series. Links: 🐄Visit Shawn & Beth's website: One Cow Revolution 📷 Instagram: @shawnandbeth 📚Their books: One Cow Revolution and The Independent Farmstead This episode is brought to you by Farm on Central: Planning ahead for your best onion harvest yet? <a href= "https://shop.farmoncentral.com/collections/spring-onion-plants" target="_blank"
- Feb 24, 202617 min
349. Running an All-Female Farm Team with Emma de Long of Kneehigh Farm
A Note from Michael: The Thriving Farmer Podcast is currently on pause as we navigate a busy season on the farm. While we're taking this break, we're excited to share Farm in Focus, a special series of short, focused conversations recorded earlier this year. These bite-sized episodes highlight practical insights from farmers and experts across the industry. We hope they're helpful and encouraging as you continue your farming journey. What does it look like to lead and manage an all-female farm team? In this Farm in Focus episode, Michael sits down with Emma de Long of Kneehigh Farm to talk about what she's learned running a farm crew made up entirely of women. Emma shares her experience building a strong, supportive team in an industry that has traditionally been male-dominated, along with the leadership lessons that have shaped how she manages people day-to-day. From starting small and scaling over time, to fostering compassion, communication, and trust within a close-knit crew, Emma offers thoughtful insights into team dynamics on a small farm. This conversation focuses less on ownership structure and more on what it takes to lead a team well—especially when people, relationships, and long days are at the center of the work. In this episode, you'll hear about: Building an All-Female Farm Team • How Emma's crew naturally evolved into an all-women team [03:23] • What it's been like leading women in a traditionally male-dominated field [06:35] Leadership & Team Culture • Why compassion plays a central role in Emma's leadership style [06:52] • Creating a family-like dynamic while still maintaining professionalism • How trust and communication shape day-to-day farm operations Challenges & Practical Realities • Tools and systems that aren't always designed with women in mind [10:31] • Balancing physical demands with teamwork and mutual support • Accepting help and knowing when to lean on others Advice for Farmers & Team Leaders • Why community matters just as much as production [12:23] • The value of mentorship and peer support • Emma's encouragement for farmers—especially women—looking to build strong teams [15:42] Bio:Emma de Long is a farmer, educator, and fiber advocate based in Chester County, Pennsylvania. She founded Kneehigh Farm in 2013 and has since grown a diverse mix of vegetables, dye plants, and fiber crops. Since 2019, Emma has cultivated indigo for natural pigment extraction, and in 2020 she co-founded the Pennsylvania Flax Project, an initiative dedicated to rebuilding regional flax processing infrastructure. Kneehigh Farm operates as a 100% women-run operation, and in 2021 Emma opened Red Dog Market, a year-round outlet for farm goods and local products. Links: 👩🏻🌾 Visit Kneehigh Farm's website: Kneehigh Farm 🌾 Visit PA Flax Project's website: PA Flax Project 📷 Instagram: @kneehighfarm 👍 Facebook: @kneehighfarmCSA This episode is sponsored by Farm on Central: Planning ahead for your best onion harvest yet? Farm on Central offers spring-timed onion plants featuring proven varieties that produce large, consistent bulbs and store beautifully. Plants are grown on a certified organic farm in Arizona and shipped at the ideal time for planting. Enjoy free shipping on all onion orders, plus discounts on multiple bundles. Smaller collections are available for home growers, while larger bundles are perfect for market farms. Order now at <strong
- Feb 17, 202615 min
348. Smarter Farming: Sensors, Drones & Automation with Nathan Rosenberg
A Note from Michael: The Thriving Farmer Podcast is currently on pause as we navigate a busy season on the farm. While we're taking this break, we're excited to share Farm in Focus, a special series of short, focused conversations recorded earlier this year. These bite-sized episodes highlight practical insights from farmers and experts across the industry. We hope they're helpful and encouraging as you continue your farming journey. How can technology help farmers save labor, increase efficiency, and monitor their farms in real time? In this Farm in Focus episode, Michael is joined by Nathan Rosenberg, CEO and co-founder of FarmBlox, to explore the biggest trends shaping farm technology today. From robotics to sensors to drones, Nathan breaks down which innovations truly move the needle — and which ones are more hype than help. Nathan explains why labor-saving tools are the top priority for most farms today, how sensors can automate tasks like monitoring maple syrup sap runs, and why theft prevention is becoming a critical need in orchards and high-value crop production. He also shares practical advice for farmers interested in adopting new technology without getting overwhelmed or oversold. Whether you're curious about automation or just want smarter ways to solve farm pain points, this conversation will help you understand what's worth paying attention to — and what to ignore. In this episode, you'll hear about: Farm Tech Trends: • Why labor is the biggest cost driving innovation [1:53] • Where robotics and remote sensing are making the biggest impact [04:10] Real-World Applications: • How sensors can automate maple syrup production and orchard monitoring [04:32] • Why theft prevention is becoming a major tech need in agriculture [07:20] Drones & Data: • What drones can (and can't) do for farmers [09:55] • Using real-time monitoring to catch issues early [10:50] Practical Advice for Farmers: • Why "start small" is the smartest approach to adopting new tech • How to identify the pain points worth solving before investing About the Guest: Nathan Rosenberg is the CEO and Co-Founder of FarmBlox, a platform that gives farmers tools to build their own automation systems — connecting sensors, equipment, and real-time data to a simple app. With a background in robotics engineering and over a decade of experience building large-scale IoT networks, Nathan brings a deep understanding of how automation, AI, and practical engineering intersect on real farms. Links: 🔗 Visit Farmblox: Farmblox 💼 LinkedIn: Farmblox 📷 Instagram: @farmbloxag This episode is brought to you by Farm on Central: For homesteads, flower farms, or berry operations, elderberries and willows are two excellent long-term crops to consider. Willows provide fast growth and beautiful stems, while elderberries deliver reliable, in-demand harvests year after year. Farm on Central's cuttings are naturally grown, hardy, and easy to root in most climates—making them a great perennial investment for seasons to come. Cuttings ship soon and quantities are limited. Order at shop.farmoncentral.com.
- Feb 10, 202619 min
347. Husk Cherries: A Hidden Market Gem with Amber Waves Farm
A Note from Michael: The Thriving Farmer Podcast is currently on pause as we navigate a busy season on the farm. While we're taking this break, we're excited to share Farm in Focus, a special series of short, focused conversations recorded earlier this year. These bite-sized episodes highlight practical insights from farmers and experts across the industry. We hope they're helpful and encouraging as you continue your farming journey. What makes husk cherries one of the most surprising—and delightful—novelty crops on the farm? In this Farm in Focus episode, Michael sits down again with Katie Baldwin and Amanda Merrow of Amber Waves Farm to talk about one of their favorite unconventional crops: husk cherries. Known for their tropical flavor, long shelf life, and enthusiastic customer response, husk cherries are a crop many farmers overlook—but shouldn't. Katie and Amanda break down everything from seed starting to trellising to harvest strategies, along with their best tips for selling, storing, and cooking with this fun fruit. Whether you're looking to diversify your market table or try something new in the garden, this episode offers accessible, practical insights for growing a crop that always sparks curiosity. In this episode, you'll hear about: Getting Started: • Why husk cherries are a novelty crop customers get excited about [2:14] • Their favorite varieties and what makes each unique [3:32] Growing Practices: • Seed starting tips and early care [4:10] • Fertility needs and trellising techniques that improve plant health [6:54] Flavor & Marketability: • How pricing reflects the labor involved in harvesting [13:30] • Why their long shelf life makes them a smart market crop [14:30] • Their signature "pineapple-grape" flavor profile [15:05] • Why families—and kids especially—love growing and harvesting them [16:43] Bio:Amber Waves began in 2008 when Amanda Merrow and Katie Baldwin met during a farm apprenticeship, sparking a friendship and a shared dream to feed their local community. A year later, they launched their farm on seven conserved acres behind the Amagansett Farmers Market, drawn to the land's unique coastal terroir, which inspired the name Amber Waves. In the early days, they personally connected with every visitor, cultivating a community that found comfort, inspiration, and empowerment through the farm. By 2016, with the support of dedicated locals and visionary women before them, Amanda and Katie secured ownership of the farmland and reunited it with the historic farmstand. Today, Amber Waves spans over 30 acres, operates a vibrant market and kitchen, and stands as a nationally recognized educational farm serving hundreds of families and visitors each year. Links: 👩🏻🌾 Visit Amber Waves Farm's website: Amber Waves Farm 📺 YouTube: @amberwavesfarmNY 📷 Instagram: Amber Waves Farm 👍 Facebook: Amber Waves Farm This episode is sponsored by Farm on Central: For homesteads, flower farms, or berry operations, elderberries and willows are two excellent long-term crops to consider. Willows provide fast growth and beautiful stems, while elderberries deliver reliable, in-demand harvests year after year. Farm on Central's cuttings are naturally grown, hardy, and easy to root in most climates—making them a great perennial investment for seasons to come. Cuttings ship soon and quantities are limited. Order at shop.farmoncentral
- Feb 3, 202622 min
346. Running a Year-Round Farm Market with Emma de Long
A Note from Michael: The Thriving Farmer Podcast is currently on pause as we navigate a busy season on the farm. While we're taking this break, we're excited to share Farm in Focus, a special series of short, focused conversations recorded earlier this year. These bite-sized episodes highlight practical insights from farmers and experts across the industry. We hope they're helpful and encouraging as you continue your farming journey. What does it really take to run a small, year-round local market? In this Farm in Focus episode, Michael sits down with Emma de Long of Kneehigh Farm to talk about the creation and day-to-day operation of Red Dog Market, a year-round local food market in Pennsylvania. Emma shares how Red Dog Market grew out of increased demand during the COVID-19 pandemic and how it has evolved into a community-centered outlet for her farm and other local producers. From staffing and sourcing to signage, POS systems, and regulatory considerations, Emma offers a candid look at the realities behind keeping fresh food accessible all year long. Whether you're considering opening a farm store, expanding into retail, or simply curious about the behind-the-scenes work of local food markets, this episode offers practical, grounded insights from someone doing it every day. In this episode, you'll hear about: The Origin of Red Dog Market • How COVID-19 accelerated demand for local food access [02:42] • Why Kneehigh Farm serves as the market's anchor vendor [02:42] Market Operations & Staffing • Running a year-round market with a small, focused team [08:32] • The role of a dedicated market manager and daily task division [08:32] • Why maintaining fresh produce is "a puzzle every day" [14:39] Sourcing & Vendor Relationships • How Emma vets vendors—especially for meat and dairy products [12:25] • The importance of building strong relationships with local producers [05:34] • Balancing product variety with quality and consistency [12:25] Systems, Marketing & Logistics • The complexities of using POS systems for a small, hybrid market model [14:39] • Effective signage and in-person marketing strategies [16:51] • Leveraging existing farm share and CSA memberships to build traffic [16:51] Advice for Aspiring Market Owners • Why starting slow and understanding your costs is critical [16:51] • Regulatory considerations every market owner should be aware of • How community engagement shapes long-term success [20:40] Bio: Emma de Long is a farmer, educator, and fiber advocate based in Chester County, Pennsylvania. She founded Kneehigh Farm in 2013 and has since grown a diverse mix of vegetables, dye plants, and fiber crops. Since 2019, Emma has cultivated indigo for natural pigment extraction, and in 2020 she co-founded the Pennsylvania Flax Project, an initiative dedicated to rebuilding regional flax processing infrastructure. Kneehigh Farm operates as a 100% women-run operation, and in 2021 Emma opened Red Dog Market, a year-round outlet for farm goods and local products. Links: 👩🏻🌾 Visit Kneehigh Farm's website: Kneehigh Farm 📷 Instagram: @kneehighfarm 👍 Facebook: @kneehighfarmCSA🌾 Visit Red Dog Market's website: Red Dog Market📷 Red Dog Market Instagram: @reddogmarketpa👍 Red Dog Market Facebook: @reddogmarketpa This episode is sponsored by Farm on Central: <p dir="l
- Jan 27, 202622 min
345. Managing 600+ Crop Varieties at Amber Waves Farm
A Note from Michael: The Thriving Farmer Podcast is currently on pause as we navigate a busy season on the farm. While we're taking this break, we're excited to share Farm in Focus, a special series of short, focused conversations recorded earlier this year. These bite-sized episodes highlight practical insights from farmers and experts across the industry. We hope they're helpful and encouraging as you continue your farming journey. What does it take to plan, grow, and manage more than 600 crop varieties each year? In this Farm in Focus episode, Michael sits down again with Katie Baldwin and Amanda Merrow of Amber Waves Farm—this time diving into the art and complexity of crop planning on a diversified, vertically integrated teaching farm. From balancing customer demand with realistic yields, to building soil health with integrated grain production, to coordinating a team during harvest, Katie and Amanda offer a candid look at what it really takes to manage large-scale crop diversity. Whether you're planning your first season or refining long-term systems, their insights will help you think more strategically about plant diversity, soil management, documentation, and how to build a resilient crop plan that works. In this episode, you'll hear about: Crop Diversity & Customer Preferences: • Why Amber Waves grows over 600 varieties—and what customers actually want [2:48] The Complexity of Crop Planning: • How succession planting, land limitations, and crop mix make planning so challenging [6:12] Building Soil Health: • Integrating grain production with vegetables to support soil structure and fertility [10:15] • Innovative disease management strategies, including soil steaming [12:28] Harvesting & Team Coordination: • The communication systems that keep harvest running smoothly [17:35] Advice for New Farmers: • Why writing everything down is one of their most important tools [21:02] • How biodiversity strengthens customer engagement and long-term sustainability Bio:Amber Waves began in 2008 when Amanda Merrow and Katie Baldwin met during a farm apprenticeship, sparking a friendship and a shared dream to feed their local community. A year later, they launched their farm on seven conserved acres behind the Amagansett Farmers Market, drawn to the land's unique coastal terroir, which inspired the name Amber Waves. In the early days, they personally connected with every visitor, cultivating a community that found comfort, inspiration, and empowerment through the farm. By 2016, with the support of dedicated locals and visionary women before them, Amanda and Katie secured ownership of the farmland and reunited it with the historic farmstand. Today, Amber Waves spans over 30 acres, operates a vibrant market and kitchen, and stands as a nationally recognized educational farm serving hundreds of families and visitors each year. Links: 👩🏻🌾 Visit Amber Waves Farm's website: Amber Waves Farm 📺 YouTube: @amberwavesfarmNY 📷 Instagram: Amber Waves Farm 👍 Facebook: Amber Waves Farm This episode is brought to you by shop.farmoncentral: Looking for a unique, high-demand crop for your garden or farm? Farm on Central offers a wide selection of ginger and turmeric—two highly medicinal crops that are popular at farmers markets, with chefs, and among folks making their own wellness products. These long-season crops thrive outdoors in southern climates, and growers in northern regions often succeed with them in tunnels or containers. Preorders are now open, with options ranging from seed rhizomes for adventurous growers to easy-to-grow started plants. Shop the full collection at shop.f
- Jan 20, 202620 min
344: The One-Cow Revolution with Shawn and Beth Dougherty
A Note from Michael: The Thriving Farmer Podcast is currently on pause as we navigate a busy season on the farm. While we're taking this break, we're excited to share Farm in Focus, a special series of short, focused conversations recorded earlier this year. These bite-sized episodes highlight practical insights from farmers and experts across the industry. We hope they're helpful and encouraging as you continue your farming journey. Can one grass-fed cow truly become the heart of a food-independent farm? In this Farm in Focus episode, Michael sits down with Shawn and Beth Dougherty, authors of One Cow Revolution, to talk about how a single dairy cow can transform a farm's productivity, resilience, and relationship with the land. Drawing from decades of experience, the Doughertys explain why grass—not grain—is the foundation of sustainable dairy systems, how ruminants build soil fertility while producing food, and what new cow owners need to understand before bringing a milk cow home. This conversation blends philosophy with deeply practical advice, offering a grounded look at low-input, grass-based farming. Whether you're dreaming of a family milk cow or simply curious about food independence, this episode offers timeless insights rooted in observation, experience, and respect for animals and land. In this episode, you'll hear about: The One Cow Revolution Why Shawn and Beth felt compelled to write One Cow Revolution [01:40] How cows fit into a sustainable, food-independent farm system [01:40] Grass, Ruminants & Soil Health Why grass is the most important resource on the farm [03:34] How ruminants improve soil fertility while producing food [03:34] Advice for New Cow Owners Why starting small is critical for success [07:50] How temporary electric fencing makes land integration easier [07:50] Why observation matters more than rigid systems [07:50] The Abundance of a Dairy Cow Just how much food one cow can provide [13:34] Using milk to feed other animals and increase farm productivity [13:34] Common Mistakes & Lessons Learned Where new cow owners often underestimate feed needs [16:14] Why practical experience matters more than theory [16:14] Why milking is simpler than many people expect [16:14] About the Guests: Shawn and Beth Dougherty have been homesteading together since 1985, for the past 35 years in northern Appalachia. They raise dairy and beef cows, pigs, and poultry on a small acreage designated by the state of Ohio as "not suitable for agriculture." The Doughertys write, teach, and speak on holistic grazing and inputs-free farming, using grass-fed ruminants to restore abused land and build fertile, resilient farmsteads. They are the authors of One Cow Revolution, The Independent Farmstead, and The Independent Farmstead's Field Guides to Inputs-Free Farming series. Links: 🐄Visit Shawn & Beth's website: One Cow Revolution 📷 Instagram: @shawnandbeth 📚Their books: One Cow Revolution and <a href= "https
- Jan 13, 202620 min
343. Reviving Flax: A Zero Waste Crop with Emma de Long
A Note from Michael: The Thriving Farmer Podcast is currently on pause as we navigate a busy season on the farm. While we're taking this break, we're excited to share Farm in Focus, a special series of short, focused conversations recorded earlier this year. These bite-sized episodes highlight practical insights from farmers and experts across the industry. We hope they're helpful and encouraging as you continue your farming journey. How can flax become a sustainable, versatile crop for modern farms? In this Farm in Focus episode, Michael sits down with Emma de Long of Kneehigh Farm to talk about her work with fiber flax—one of the oldest cultivated crops in the world and a plant with surprising potential for today's regenerative and artisan fiber markets. Emma shares how she began growing flax in 2020 and why she co-founded the Pennsylvania Flax Project, an initiative working to rebuild regional fiber infrastructure. From the anatomy of the flax plant to the practical challenges of processing, Emma explains both the opportunities and realities of reviving a heritage fiber crop in the U.S. Whether you're curious about natural fibers, looking to diversify your crops, or interested in small-scale processing, this episode offers a thoughtful and accessible introduction to a crop with deep history and growing future demand. In this episode, you'll hear about: Flax Basics & History Why flax has nearly vanished in U.S. production—and why it's making a comeback [03:20] The difference between fiber flax and seed flax, and how each is bred [03:20] Pennsylvania's historical ties to flax cultivation dating back to the 1600s [03:20] Market Interest & Opportunity Rising demand for natural fibers and sustainable textiles [10:29] Zero-waste potential—how nearly every part of the plant is useful [10:29] Growing Fiber Flax What makes flax a low-input, sustainable crop [08:16] Soil and weather considerations—why "the weather trumps all" [08:16] Tips for new growers and why starting small is best [18:35] Processing & Infrastructure Why processing flax into fiber is complex—but possible on small scales [13:39] Current challenges around U.S. flax infrastructure [16:33] How the Pennsylvania Flax Project is working toward a regional processing mill [16:33] Wrap-Up & Reflection Why flax can be both a joy and a challenge to integrate into diversified farms [18:35] Bio: Emma de Long is a farmer, educator, and fiber advocate based in Chester County, Pennsylvania. She founded Kneehigh Farm in 2013 and has since grown a diverse mix of vegetables, dye plants, and fiber crops. Since 2019, Emma has cultivated indigo for natural pigment extraction, and in 2020 she co-founded the Pennsylvania Flax Project, an initiative dedicated to rebuilding regional flax processing infrastructure. Kneehigh Farm operates as a 100% women-run operation, and in 2021 Emma opened Red Dog Market, a year-round outlet for farm goods and local products. Links: 👩🏻🌾 Visit Kneehigh Farm's website: Kneehigh Farm 🌾 Visit PA Flax Project's website: PA Flax Project 📷 Instagram: @kneehighfarm 👍 Facebook: @kneehighfarmCSA This episode is sponsored by Growing Farmers: Looking to get your farm systems dialed in for 2026? The Small Farm Business Intensive</
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