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Why Is Leaving MAGA So Difficult?

December 1, 2025·22 min·4-min readconversationalpolitics
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Rich Logis, a former MAGA movement activist and podcaster, recounts his journey from fervent Trump supporter to founder of 'Leaving MAGA,' a platform for those exiting the movement. He reflects on the personal, emotional, and ideological forces that drew him in — and ultimately led him to

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Rich Logis

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Rich LogisDonald TrumpRon DeSantisJohn McCainNick FuentesCharlie KirkJason RiddleJames HicksJeffrey Epstein

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