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MAKE IT is the film podcast that provides a behind-the-scenes look at the filmmaking process. We dive into indie gems, massive blockbusters, cinema history, and everything in between. If you love movies and want more than polite chit-chat, this is your spot.Stay Inspired, Chris + Nick
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- 4 days ago1h 26m
438 - Kevin Goetz - On Audience Testing 5,000+ Films, How He Became Hollywood's Most Powerful Audience Whisperer, and How to Use Audience Testing to Enhance Your Film (Not Destroy Your Vision)
This episode is brought to you by our e-book Mastering Film Marketing. Get your copy today at https://themakeitpodcast.com/products/mastering-film-marketingHello, Hello! In this episode, we sit down with legendary audience research expert Kevin Goetz, the CEO of Screen Engine, who has tested over 5,000 film and television titles for major studios over three decades. Kevin shares his journey from aspiring Broadway performer to becoming Hollywood's most trusted voice on audience testing, discussing how filmmakers can use audience feedback to enhance rather than compromise their creative vision. The conversation explores the evolution of audience expectations in the streaming era, the importance of knowing your deficits as an entrepreneur, and Kevin's philosophy on following passion over profit.We also talk about:• Kevin's childhood in Bensonhurst, Brooklyn, and the family dynamics that shaped his drive for success • The misconceptions filmmakers have about audience testing and how it actually enhances creative vision • How streaming platforms have changed viewer behavior, and the need for compelling cold opens • The importance of self-awareness in leadership and surrounding yourself with people better than you at specific skills • Kevin's approach to delegation, team building, and scaling a business with 320 employeesPeople, Places, Products, and Websites Mentioned:Screen Engine/ASIBBMG Entertainment — kevingoetz360.comHow to Score in HollywoodAudienceologyProducers Guild of AmericaAmerican CinemathequeNashville Film FestivalNews & Media ServicesGround NewsSemafor The Media LinePeopleDerek Guy (menswear writer)Joan RiversNicole KidmanCharles Roven (producer)Lauren Shuler Donner Richard DonnerStephanie Allain Donald De Line (PGA)Ben Fritz (Wall Street Journal)Barbara JarrettBrooke ShieldsJared LetoTravis KnightFilms & TVGhostSinnersEverything Everywhere All at OnceHacks (HBO Max)Masters of the Universe (He-Man movie)Backrooms (A24)Iron LungPlaces & InstitutionsBensonhurst, BrooklynEast
- 5 days ago11 min
Spider-Noir | Is Nicolas Cage's Spider Noir the Most Vulnerable Superhero Ever Created?
Hello, Hello!WHAT IS FILM BRIEF?Blending journalism with artistry, Film Brief transforms film analysis into an engaging and informative listening experience. The goal is to reveal what makes each movie or series resonate—on screen and behind the scenes. For listeners, it’s not just a review; it’s an exploration of the art of filmmaking.BRIEF:In this episode, host Nick explores Spider Noir, a groundbreaking superhero series that transforms Marvel mythology into a Depression-era noir meditation on aging, regret, and redemption. The show stars Nicolas Cage as Ben Reilly, a worn-down private investigator and former masked vigilante navigating the rain-soaked streets of 1930s New York. This isn't your typical superhero story—it's a slow-burn character study that prioritizes atmosphere and emotional depth over explosive action sequences.TAKEAWAYS:• Harry Bradbeer's directorial approach and the creative decision to use four different directors across eight episodes • The series' bold aesthetic choice offering both color and authentic black-and-white viewing options • How the multiverse concept allows superhero storytelling to age alongside audiences • The evolution from the animated Spider-Verse version to this more emotionally grounded live-action adaptation • Why prioritizing older heroes and mature themes represents an important shift in superhero cinemaMENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE:Spider-NoirNicolas CageHarry Bradbeer (director)Oren Uziel (writer)Ben Reilly (character)FleabagEnola HolmesRaymond ChandlerSpider-Man: Into the Spider-VersePeter Parker1930s New YorkGreat DepressionMarvelSpider-ManEbook: "Mastering Film Marketing"We are humbled to have a community of creatives who care deeply about our work. And your support makes our work possible. Every subscriber, rating, and review matters. So, if you like what we're doing, please consider subscribing, rating, or giving us a review. Cheers, and best of luck on your filmmaking journey. #MAKEITwww.themakeitpodcast.store/shop/supportAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy
- 1 weeks ago17 min
SUMMARIES - Danielle Vega - Child Star, Emmy Nominated Actress, and the Long Game of Resilience
Hello, Hello!In this episode, AI Hosts Alex Ivey and Allison Inverness discuss the career of actress Danielle Vega, who transitioned from childhood stardom in "Barney and Friends" to adult success. Vega's journey is highlighted as a case study in resilience, detailing her early audition process, the demanding physical conditions for performers, and the supportive environment at Katie Studios. The conversation explores Vega's transition to adult professionalism, her humbling experiences on the red carpet, and her eventual success in roles like "East Los High" and "Chicago Med." The discussion emphasizes the importance of preparation, learning from failures, and the impact of early experiences on professional growth.We also talk about:What it meant to be a mixed‑race child actor on a 1990s non‑union set that was paradoxically safer and more protective than many mainstream productions.The brutal physical reality behind the Barney suit and how witnessing that sacrifice shaped Danielle’s understanding of professionalism and dedication.How the “illusion of competence” and the credential trap led her to repeat the same mistake at age 22 that she learned to avoid at age 9.Her return to acting with East Los High, a pioneering transmedia teen drama that secretly delivered critical sex‑ed and abuse‑prevention resources to its audience.How all of this culminated in work on network television (including Chicago Med, directed by Carl Weathers) and a “closed‑loop” career that echoes the educational mission of Barney & Friends in a more mature form.People, Places, Products, and References Mentioned:Danielle Vega David Joyner (Barney suit performer)Bob West (Barney's voice)Penny Wilson (choreographer) Carl WeathersApollo Creed (fictional character)Jake's Happy Nostalgia Show Barney & Friends Barney's Sense-Sational Day East Los High Chicago Med RockyBarney (the purple dinosaur) Kim — Danielle's character on Barney & Friends; Ceci Camayo — Danielle's character on East Los HighMima & Pop Pop — Kim's fictional grandparents on Barney & FriendsSAG-AFTRA Southern Methodist University (SMU) Dallas, Texas HuluTransmedia storytelling Beginner's mind (Shoshin)Illusion of competence (Dunning–Kruger effect) Credential trap — a discussed concept, no single authoritative source Very Special EpisodeTrojan horse (as an education-delivery strategy)We are humbled to have a community of creatives who care deeply about our work. And your support makes our work possible. Every subscriber, rating, and review matters. So, if you like what we're doing, please consider subscribing, rating, or giving us a review. Cheers, and best of luck on your filmmaking journey. #MAKEITSubscribe: https://themakeitpodcast.store/shop/supportAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands<br/
- 2 weeks ago1h 59m
437 - Stephen Marinaccio DGA UPM & Line Producer - What It Really Takes to Make a $100M Film, Lessons from 80+ International Projects, and How to Budget Like a Pro
This episode is brought to you by our e-book Mastering Film Marketing. Get your copy today at https://allthingsmakeit.com/collections/learnThis episode is brought to you by Anthropic. Claude is the AI for minds that don’t stop at good enough—it's the collaborator that actually understands your entire workflow and thinks WITH you, not for you. Ready to tackle bigger problems? Sign up for Claude Pro when you use our link – www.claude.ai/makeitHello, Hello! In this episode, veteran line producer Stephen Marinaccio shares his 35+ years of experience managing productions across 30+ countries, from working with James Cameron to developing Line Budgeter, a revolutionary budgeting platform created by actual line producers. He discusses the essential skills needed for production management, the art of problem-solving on complex international shoots, and how his military upbringing shaped his detail-oriented approach to filmmaking. Stephen reveals the reality of managing multi-million dollar budgets and provides invaluable advice for aspiring production managers.We also talk about:• The development of Line Budgeter and why existing production software falls short • How to read scripts like a line producer and identify all hidden costs • The importance of communication and relationship management on set • Breaking down scenes to understand the true scope of production requirements • The role of AI in future film production and maintaining human creativityPeople, Places, Products, and Websites Mentioned:PeopleStephen MarinaccioJames CameronEmily Best (Seed&Spark)Sarah Childress (NPT Creative Director) NPT itself is hereEarl Woods Tiger WoodsEzekiel "Zeke" Emanuel (Rahm Emanuel's brother, author of Eat Your Ice Cream)Rob SchneiderMark Magidson (producer of Samsara)Ron Fricke (director of Samsara)Bix Beiderbecke (subject of the film Bix)Films & TV 12. Ghosts of the Abyss 13. The Abyss 14. Anora 15. The Blair Witch Project 16. Napoleon Dynamite 17. The Devil Wears Prada 18. Materialists 19. Citizen Kane 20. Cloud Atlas 21. Star Wars 22. Coming to America 23. Psycho 24. Deuce Bigalow: European Gigolo 25. The Fall (2006) 26. Bix (1991) 27. Planet Earth 28. Samsara (2011) 29. Baraka (1992) 30. <a href="https://www.imdb.com/t
- 3 weeks ago19 min
SUMMARIES - Jennica Schwartzman - How to Build a Multi-Hyphenate Career Without Sacrificing Your Family
Hello, Hello!In this episode, AI hosts Alex Ivey and Allison Inverness explore the unconventional career journey of indie filmmaker Jennica Schwartzman, examining how she built a successful multi-hyphenate creative life without sacrificing family or integrity. They discuss her rejection of traditional linear career models in favor of a fluid, chapter-based approach that integrates multiple roles as actor, producer, writer, and parent. The conversation reveals how her background as a pastor's kid shaped her performance skills and fearless approach to grassroots filmmaking.We also talk about:• How growing up in the 1990s evangelical church culture provided unexpected creative training • Practical strategies for making film sets parent-friendly through structural changes • The psychology of grassroots fundraising and community relationship building • Why filmmakers should never waste social capital on short films • The importance of execution over talent in building trust within creative industriesPeople, Places, Products, and References Mentioned:Jennica SchwartzmanPurpose Pictures ProductionsTMDB (The Movie Database)Parker's AnchorRidge RunnersGordon Family TreeXPK Podcast (Ex-Pastor-Kids, co-hosted with brother Marc Hampson)Movie Baking: The Indie Work-At-Home-Parent FilmmakerBehind the ScreensDCLAPromise KeepersFayetteville Travel CenterKickstarterWe are humbled to have a community of creatives who care deeply about our work. And your support makes our work possible. Every subscriber, rating, and review matters. So, if you like what we're doing, please consider subscribing, rating, or giving us a review. Cheers, and best of luck on your filmmaking journey. #MAKEITSubscribe: https://themakeitpodcast.store/shop/supportAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy
- May 15, 20261h 36m
436 - Elsa Ramo - Entertainment Lawyer & Strategist - Why Entertainment Lawyers Need to Be in LA, The Hidden Costs of Not Hiring an Entertainment Lawyer, and Creative Vision vs. Commercial Reality
This episode is brought to you by our e-book Mastering Film Marketing. Get your copy today at https://allthingsmakeit.com/collections/learnHello, Hello! In this episode, entertainment lawyer Elsa Ramo joins us to discuss the critical role of legal strategy in filmmaking and the entertainment industry. Ramo shares her journey from printing business cards at Kinko's to becoming a trusted advisor for major studios like Imagine Entertainment and production companies working on projects with Ron Howard, Ridley Scott, and Jude Law. The conversation covers everything from contract negotiations and creative deal-making to the impact of AI on the film industry and the importance of building relationships in Hollywood.We also talk about:• The difference between hiring a lawyer and the cost of not hiring one for independent creators • Whether filmmakers should hire an agent, manager, or lawyer first when starting their careers • How AI is transforming both content creation and legal services in the entertainment industry • The challenges of user-generated content versus traditional filmmaking in today's market • Key decision points in the filmmaking process where creators need legal consultationPeople, Places, Products, and Websites Mentioned:Imagine EntertainmentRon HowardScott Free Productions (Ridley Scott)Universal Studios back lotMax (HBO Max)Cartoon NetworkCalifornia Lawyers for the ArtsFilm IndependentSundance Film FestivalCannes Film FestivalMarina del ReyLA East Side vs. West SideLisa FrankTMZDianna Russini & Mike Vrabel (see note)Chris Martin / Coldplay jumbotron incident (see note)Don's PlumFather's OfficeThe CounterIn-N-Out BurgerThe Real Housewives of Orange CountyRamo Law PCWe are humbled to have a community of creatives who care deeply about our work. And your support makes our work possible. Every subscriber, rating, and review matters. So, if you like what we're doing, please consider subscribing, rating, or giving us a review. Cheers, and best of luck on your filmmaking journey. #MAKEITAll Links: https://themakeitpodcast.storeAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy
- May 14, 202610 min
Mortal Kombat II | Why Mortal Kombat II Works (Film Review)
Hello, Hello!WHAT IS FILM BRIEF?Blending journalism with artistry, Film Brief transforms film analysis into an engaging and informative listening experience. The goal is to reveal what makes each movie or series resonate—on screen and behind the scenes. For listeners, it’s not just a review; it’s an exploration of the art of filmmaking.BRIEF:In this episode, host Nick dives deep into Mortal Kombat II, exploring how the sequel successfully delivers on fan expectations through authentic combat, expanded mythology, and commitment to the franchise's core identity. The discussion examines how the film embraces its video game origins rather than apologizing for them, creating a spectacle that rewards longtime fans while demonstrating the evolution of video game adaptations in modern cinema. Nick analyzes the film's approach to character development, visual design, and fight choreography as a blueprint for successful franchise filmmaking.TAKEAWAYS:• Karl Urban's portrayal of Johnny Cage and the character's journey from washed-up action star to genuine hero • Martyn Ford's intimidating performance as Shao Kahn and the film's expanded character roster • Simon McQuoid direction and how it serves the existing fanbase rather than courting new audiences • The evolution of video game adaptations from niche entertainment to generational storytelling • How the film's visual design embraces fantasy over realism to create authentic arcade-inspired environmentsMENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE:Mortal Kombat IIKarl Urban (Johnny Cage)Martyn Ford (Shao Kahn)Simon McQuoid (director)Jeremy Slater (screenwriter)Ed BoonJohn TobiasLiu KangSonya BladeJaxRaidenScorpionKitanaJadeBarakaSindelQuan ChiNoob SaibotEbook: "Mastering Film Marketing"The MAKE IT PodcastWe are humbled to have a community of creatives who care deeply about our work. And your support makes our work possible. Every subscriber, rating, and review matters. So, if you like what we're doing, please consider subscribing, rating, or giving us a review. Cheers, and best of luck on your filmmaking journey. #MAKEITAll Links: https://themakeitpodcast.storeAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy
- May 12, 202613 min
SUMMARIES - Sevan Najarian - How Crowdfunding and Community Rallied to Save 'Mars'
Hello, Hello!In this episode, Alex Ivey and Allison Inverness explore the remarkable journey of writer, director, animator, and VFX artist Sevan Najarian, from his constrained upbringing in a strict Jehovah's Witness household in Modesto, California, to directing the crowdfunded animated feature film "Mars" for the legendary comedy troupe The Whitest Kids U Know. Through his story, we discover how limitations and community support can fuel extraordinary creative achievements, and examine the importance of human intention in an age of artificial intelligence. This deep dive reveals how a DIY spirit, honed through platforms like Channel 101, can lead to professional success while maintaining creative integrity.We also talk about:• The difference between SFX (practical special effects) and VFX (digital visual effects) • Channel 101's brutal but effective feedback loop for creative development • The toxic culture of big VFX houses versus television's constraint-driven efficiency • How the pandemic forced the Mars project from live-action to animation • The role of AI tools in creative work and why generative AI can't replace human intentionPeople, Places, Products, and References Mentioned:Sevan NajarianThe Whitest Kids U' KnowTrevor MooreZach CreggerSam BrownTimmy WilliamsDarren TrumeterChannel 101Dan HarmonRob SchrabJustin RoilandModesto Junior CollegeGeorge LucasAdobe After EffectsMidnight Kid StudiosHotel St. George, BrooklynMars (animated film)Tribeca Film FestivalClaudeThe Real Animated Adventures of Doc and MhartiBarbarianWe are humbled to have a community of creatives who care deeply about our work. And your support makes our work possible. Every subscriber, rating, and review matters. So, if you like what we're doing, please consider subscribing, rating, or giving us a review. Cheers, and best of luck on your filmmaking journey. #MAKEITAll Links: https://themakeitpodcast.storeAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy
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MAKE IT is the film podcast that provides a behind-the-scenes look at the filmmaking process. We dive into indie gems, massive blockbusters, cinema history, and everything in between. If you love movies and want more than polite chit-chat, this is your spot.Stay Inspired, Chris + Nick
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