The Hard Way With Joe De Sena

Mike Sarraille on Leaving Delta Force, Scaling a Company to 500, and Why Entrepreneurship Is the Real Fight

August 4, 2026·22 min
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Mike Sarraille served 20 years in special operations as a Recon Marine, scout sniper, Navy SEAL, and troop commander in Delta Force. He graduated number one out of three hundred in Marine boot camp, fought in some of the worst firefights of the Iraq War, and broke four world records skydiving across seven continents in under seven days. Then he started a company.   Joe De Sena sits down with Mike to hear why he says building a business with no budget and no guaranteed resources is harder than anything he faced in combat, how he scaled a data center staffing company from fifty employees to five hundred in eighteen months, and what the tier-one military teaches about team performance that most corporate leaders get wrong. Things You Will Learn: Why a Delta Force troop commander says entrepreneurship tested him more than combat, and what specific skills transferred and which did not. The difference between warfighters and warriors, and why combining both creates the leaders people actually follow. Why productive conflict inside a high-performing team is the system itself, not a sign that something is broken. Tools & Frameworks Covered: Shared Hardship Bonding: Psychology shows that teams bonded through shared adversity build trust that cannot be replicated through offsites or team dinners. Find controlled hardship your team can experience together. Iron Sharpens Iron Selection: Always find a group where you are the underperformer. Clear the bar they hold as the standard. Then find the next group above that. Conflict as Operating System: High-performing teams fight over ideas constantly. The mission prevails, not individual egos. If everyone agrees all the time, the team is underperforming.   If this episode moved you, do not just listen. Do something about it. Sign up. Show up. Do the work. Spartan.com. No more excuses. Chapters: 0:00 Intro 1:38 Twenty years of special operations and what came after 3:00 Sports that built the foundation 3:52 The kid who was impossible to wrangle and the quick end to college 5:08 His dad's reaction to enlisting and how g

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