NYU Scientist Who Started in Art… Karolina Sulich on Why You Were Never Meant to Pick One Field

Karolina collaborates with living organisms. At NYU's Laboratory of Living Interfaces, she works with microbes — reading their DNA to detect heavy-metal contamination in soil and water, building computational pipelines that turn a cocktail of unknown bacteria into a readable signal. But her first training wasn't in science. It was in art.In this episode, we follow the thread between those two worlds — and why Karolina insists they were never separate. We get into why she sees math and code as a form of poetry, why identity is something you do and not something you are, and why the educational system's habit of labeling kids early ("you're an arts person," "you're a math person") quietly held her back for years.The heart of the conversation is about how to think. Karolina makes the case that there are no shortcuts to mastery — that the brain is biological jelly with its own modus operandi, and no AI tool changes the fact that real understanding takes time, repetition, and being willing to be a beginner again. We talk about the equation Ousman scribbled mid-conversation — curiosity greater than ego — and why that single inequality might be the whole game.We also get into the Gowanus Canal: how an atmospheric art installation made of contaminated water and sludge accidentally produced a legitimate scientific question, and what that says about where good questions actually come from. Plus DNA you can print, the biosecurity stakes of writing the language of life, de-extincting mammoths, and a rescued park parakeet that may be her next research subject.If you've ever felt boxed in by your own label, or wondered how to ask a question worth chasing — this one's for you.