
This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit abbieattwoodwellness.substack.comThis is part two of my conversation with Kate Zigrang, founder of Viva Voce — and this is where everything shifts.To hear it: abbieattwoodwellness.substack.com/subscribeWe left off last week with Kate at a turning point: an OCD diagnosis, a doctor who finally told her the truth about her health, and something beginning to loosen. This episode is about what came next — the harder, slower, more relational work of actually stepping out of diet culture after a lifetime inside it.We cover:* Going no contact with her parents — the decision, the grief, and what space it created* The complicated dynamic with her mom: over-apologizing, enmeshment, and why leaving felt both impossible and necessary* The slow, specific work of separating her own body from her mother's — learning to look at herself without dread* Religious deconstruction happening simultaneously with the body acceptance work and the mental health work — all three threads unraveling at once* The Manhattan pants incident — eighteen months of traveling the world, unable to find a single pair of pants in her size anywhere in New York City, and the rage that became a turning point* What Viva Voce actually is — a marketplace vetting brands for ethics, sustainability, and genuine size inclusivity* Why she insists on carrying straight and plus sizes in the same space* The pop-up strategy — and why she's bringing it to smaller cities on purpose* A data project collecting real body measurements to understand how clothes could actually be made better* Why belonging is at the center of every decision she makes — and what that looks like in practiceThis episode is for paid subscribers. If you'd like access to this conversation and the full archive, you can subscribe here:abbieattwoodwellness.substack.com/subscribeFind Kate and Viva Voce at vivavoce.live and on Instagram @vivavoce.liveSupport the show: Enjoying this podcast? Please support the show on Substack for bonus episodes, community engagement, and access to "Ask Abbie" at abbieattwoodwellness.substack.com/subscribeApply for Abbie’s Group Membership:Already been at this anti-diet culture thing for a while, but want community and continued learning? Apply for Abbie's monthly membership: https://www.abbieattwoodwellness.com/circle-monthly-groupFind the show on Instagram: @fullplate.podcastFind Abbie on Instagram: @abbieattwoodwellnessPodcast Cover Photography by Anya McInroyPodcast Editing by Brian Walters
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