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by Jenny and Greg Swan
Since 2023, The Cave Project with Jenny and Greg Swan has explored the tensions of tech, culture, and life as they collide. Inspired by Plato’s Allegory of the Cave, each episode helps you make sense of the shadows, including AI, social media, digital habits, psychology, and modern identity, with humor, curiosity, and a few swear words.
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- 4 weeks ago1h 13m
Our Teens Hate AI. They Love This AI Agent.
Our teens will tell you they hate AI. They also read the email our family agent sends every morning, and it keeps catching things we would have missed: a homecoming dance nobody mentioned, a pickup nobody was covering, and two hotels booked for one trip and zero for the other.AI agents went mainstream this fall. Meta's Muse shot to No. 1 on the app charts, OpenAI launched Dots, and Amazon blocked Muse from shopping on its site. In this episode, Jenny and Greg Swan get into what an agent actually is (Jenny pictured a butler), why "free" AI still runs on tokens, throttling, and your data, and what happened when Greg's agent asked him to solve a CAPTCHA because it couldn't prove it was human.Jenny explains why she can't stand Muse but planned an entire Disneyland day with ChatGPT, why she cares more about security than privacy, and why AI that turns people into full-time bot-call answerers is creating worse jobs, not better ones. Plus: what care actually looks like when a robot can remember the birthday for you.Get our free AI Agent Starter Kit, with five easy first jobs, five safety switches, and Greg's Muse invite code, at caveproject.co.What would you hand an agent, and what would you never let it touch? Tell us at emailthecaveproject@gmail.com.
- Jun 15, 202652 min
The Privilege of Logging Off
In this episode of The Cave Project, Jenny and Greg Swan dig into the privilege of opting out of screens, social media, and AI, and why “just put your phone down” is not the moral flex people think it is. From working parents using tablets as survival tools to social media becoming job infrastructure, community infrastructure, and sometimes emotional regulation infrastructure, they argue for more nuance and a lot less shame.They also get into loud iPads in public, adults on speakerphone in airports, the class dynamics of not needing to be online, and why refusing AI is not always an option when your job, income, or creative life now depends on it. Plus, Greg vibe codes a game to help Berdie go to space, The Cave Project launches CaveProject.co, and everyone is invited to your mom’s house. Spiritually, probably.Find more on this episode and our back-catalog at our website: https://www.caveproject.co
- May 19, 202650 min
The Feed Is Fake, But We’re Still Watching the Clips
When everyone online suddenly loves the same band, meme, creator, or viral moment… is that culture happening naturally, or is someone manufacturing it behind the scenes?This week, Jenny and Greg Swan dive into the strange world of “clipping,” bot networks, manufactured virality, and the growing feeling that the internet is becoming less authentic by the day. From Justin Bieber at Coachella to TikTok trends, fake outrage, algorithmic feeds, and digital psyops, they unpack how modern marketing is shaping not just what we buy, but what we believe is popular in the first place.They also explore a bigger question underneath all of it: if social media is increasingly driven by fake crowds and manipulated narratives, how do humans stay human online?Plus: Noah Kahan discourse, why Jenny thinks “normals already assume the worst,” Greg’s accidental long-term digital psyop strategy for introducing new music, AI creativity competitions in New York, and the extremely wholesome cooking creators currently healing Jenny’s algorithm.Find all the details at www.caveproject.co
- May 5, 202645 min
We’re Not Mad Teens Are Online. We’re Mad They’re Not Online Like Us.
Teens are not using social media wrong. They’re just using it in ways that make adults feel ancient, confused, and mildly attacked.In this episode of The Cave Project, Jenny and Greg Swan unpack new data on teen social media habits, why parents keep side-eyeing Snapchat, TikTok, and group chats, and what adults can do besides trying to parent the algorithm.It’s a funny, honest conversation about trust, media literacy, teen communication, and staying close enough that your kids might actually come to you when the internet gets weird.🎧 Listen for a practical, not-panicked take on teens, tech, and parenting in the feed era.#TheCaveProject #TeenSocialMedia #DigitalParenting #MediaLiteracy #ParentingTeens
- Apr 22, 202659 min
The Truth About Chatbot Romance: You're Not Dating AI. You're Dating Yourself.
We rewatched Her. Listened to Esther Perel do couples therapy with a chatbot. And had a fight about whether AI can love you back. Inside: the "flirty voice" debate, the mannequin reframe, and the question that would not leave us alone. Who is the robot? 🎧🤖
- Apr 8, 202656 min
Doom, Hope, Doom, Hope, Sushi: What the AI Apocaloptimist Doc Got Right (and Wrong)
Is the AI industry even talking to the rest of us?In this episode, Jenny and Greg Swan unpack The AI Doc, or How I Became an Apocaloptimist. It's a new documentary that puts the biggest names in AI in one room and asks: is this good or bad? Should we be having kids? And does anyone actually have a plan? From Sam Altman to Geoffrey Hinton to the doomers who think your children won't survive high school, the film swings between terror and hope like a pendulum. And so do we.They dig into what the AI industry can't agree on, what it means for the rest of us, and why the gap between "imagine a better future" and "tell me what to do tonight" keeps getting wider. This isn't a tech review. It's a parenting conversation, a policy conversation, and a sanity check. All at once.Along the way, they talk about:🎬 The documentary everyone should see but only 6% of Twin Cities moviegoers did🚪 Why Jenny walked out of the theater during the doom section, and what pushed her over the edge🐜 The ants metaphor that has been living in Greg's brain rent-free since Saturday🎤 Greg asking Tristan the same question at SXSW for the fourth year in a row, and still not getting a satisfying answer🤖 What AI actually is right now (spoiler: it cannot count movie theater seats)⚖️ The Meta and Google verdict that just made the big-tobacco lawsuit theory very real👶 The techno-optimists who are thrilled to be having kids right now — and the doomers who would never.🏫 What to ask your school board, your kids, and your Congress person this week.🍣 Robot cats, sushi, and the moment we realized the future already happened and we did not even blinkThis episode is for anyone trying to figure out where they land between doom and hope. The AI industry is having its conversation at 30,000 feet. We are having ours on the ground. Come sit with us.
- Feb 25, 20261h 12m
What if screen time isn't the villain?
In this episode, Jenny and Greg Swan pull up their real Screen Time stats on mic, break down the American Academy of Pediatrics’ newest guidance, and watch the Toy Story 5 trailer to ask the obvious question: are we really doing “tech bad” again?We talk about why we don’t feel guilty, why we’ve never been a “no screens” family, and why restriction without relationship doesn’t teach kids how to live in the world they’re actually growing up in.This episode is for: parents who are tired of screen-time shame, anyone raising kids in a world built to capture attention, Toy Story adults who felt either very excited or personally attacked by that trailer, and people who want something more realistic than “just set limits.”
- Nov 13, 20251h 19m
This Is How Reality Ends: Not With a Bang, But a Bunny on a Trampoline
Are we absolutely sure that what we’re seeing is even real?In this episode, we dig into the increasingly blurry line between real and fake online—from AI-generated bunny videos to deepfakes of ourselves, and the billion-dollar platforms that are encouraging all of it. We explore how tech companies like Meta and OpenAI are normalizing synthetic content at scale and what that means for trust, identity, and the future of human connection.This isn’t a “look what AI can do” episode. It’s a conversation about what it’s already doing—to our feeds, our friendships, and our sense of reality.Along the way, we talk about:🐰 Why that bunny-on-a-trampoline video might be the end of the internet🎭 How deepfakes are shifting from creepy to commonplace📉 The death of real content in algorithm-driven feeds🔓 The risks of uploading your face and voice to AI tools🚫 Why “don’t share it if it feels weird” might be your best defense🧠 What brain science says about why we fall for fakes—and how to fight it👀 How to protect yourself (and your kids) in an era of hyperreal lies🔧 What the tech bros aren’t telling us about the future they’re building
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Since 2023, The Cave Project with Jenny and Greg Swan has explored the tensions of tech, culture, and life as they collide. Inspired by Plato’s Allegory of the Cave, each episode helps you make sense of the shadows, including AI, social media, digital habits, psychology, and modern identity, with humor, curiosity, and a few swear words.
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