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by Luca Ingianni, Jeff Gable
Learn how to get your embedded device to market faster AND with higher quality. Join Luca Ingianni and Jeff Gable as they discuss how agile methodologies apply to embedded systems development, with a particular focus on safety-critical industries such as medical devices.
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- 3 weeks ago59 min
100 Episodes! Break Out the Champagne! A Retrospective
We flip the script for episode 100! Instead of hosting, Luca and Jeff become the guests as Joe Schneider and Jacob Beningo take over the interview chair. We look back at how two consultants from opposite sides of the world accidentally started a podcast, share war stories about the hardest bugs we've ever chased (spoiler: weeks of work for one-line fixes), and discuss why "Agile" might not be the buzzword it once was. The conversation touches on everything from helicopter avionics to the future of AI in embedded systems, plus some honest talk about what keeps us going after five and a half years and 100 episodes. Key Topics [02:30] Origin story: How a consulting group for solopreneurs brought together two embedded engineers from California and Munich [08:00] Favorite episodes and memorable guests: James Grenning, Miro Samek, Matthew Eshelman, and the value of reaching out to people you admire [15:00] Why "Agile Embedded"? Finding an unclaimed niche at the intersection of Agile practices and embedded systems [25:00] War stories: The hardest bugs to fix - from five-day hunts for one-line interrupt bugs to months tracking down temperature-dependent DDR RAM failures [35:00] The dynamic between hosts: Jeff keeps things concrete, Luca pulls back to the big picture - and why that balance matters [42:00] Looking ahead: AI as "the new Agile," requirements engineering's renewed importance, and navigating the hype cycle [50:00] The Gartner hype cycle and AI: Are we heading for the trough of disillusionment, or is this an exponential that never stops? Notable Quotes "No one gives you permission. You're listening to us because we started talking, and maybe some of you found it interesting. But you can put yourself out there, and you learn by speaking." — Jeff Gable "Testing is like vacuuming. It's only fun if it rattles in the hose. It's just no fun to test a system that has no bugs." — Luca Ingianni "AI really is the new Agile - the magical fairy dust that you can sprinkle over your team. It'll take a while for people to realize that this is also much harder than it looks." — Luca Ingianni Resources Mentioned Embedded Vibe - Joe Schneider's benchmarking site testing LLMs' ability to generate embedded code in one shot Beningo Embedded Group - Jacob Beningo's consulting and training services for embedded systems development Dojo Five - Joe Schneider's embedded systems consulting and development company Embedded Systems Summit - In-person conference organized by Jacob Beningo and Stefan, planned for mid-November in the Bay Area Agile Embedded Podcast Slack - Community discussion channel where you can reach the hosts and connect with other listeners You can find Jeff at https://jeffgable.com.You can find Luca at https://luca.engineer.Want to join the agile Embedded Slack? Click hereAre you looking for embedded-focused trainings? Head to https://agileembedded.academy/Ryan Torvik and Luca have started the Embedded AI podcast, check it out at https://embeddedaipodcast.com/
- Aug 4, 202643 min
From Vision to Reality: Product Roadmaps in Embedded Development
In the third installment of our requirements engineering series, Luca and Jeff shift focus from requirements themselves to the bigger picture: how do you actually turn ideas into working products? We explore the journey from product vision through roadmaps to backlogs, discussing what makes a good roadmap and—perhaps more importantly—the surprisingly common mistakes that even experienced teams make. We dig into practical challenges like the "progress by PowerPoint" trap (putting milestones like "specification complete" on your roadmap instead of actual value delivery), the dangers of over-committing to dates before you understand the problem space, and why most organizations struggle with prioritization. Luca shares insights from his agile requirements engineering training, including a clever trap he sets for participants around roadmap design. We also tackle the iron triangle of project management and why varying resources is often the least effective lever to pull when a project is running late. Whether you're a product manager, engineering lead, or startup founder, this episode offers a grounded perspective on planning that respects both ambition and reality. Key Topics [02:15] The hierarchy of planning artifacts: from product vision to roadmaps to backlogs [03:30] What makes a good product vision (Kennedy's moon landing speech as the gold standard) [06:45] Roadmaps as alignment and discovery tools, not static commitments [11:20] The prototyping phase and managing uncertainty in early-stage planning [15:40] Common mistake #1: Putting the wrong things on roadmaps ("specification complete" vs. actual value milestones) [21:30] The danger of over-committing to dates before understanding the problem (especially in VC-funded startups) [26:15] Tailoring roadmaps for different audiences (internal, customer-facing, investor-facing) [30:45] The failure to prioritize and its impact on roadmap execution [35:20] Finding the right level of granularity: the iceberg principle for roadmaps [40:10] The iron triangle of project management and why varying resources is the least effective lever [43:30] Who should own the roadmap (product management's role in synthesis and collaboration) Notable Quotes "If somebody has visions they should go see a doctor—but still, you know, it makes sense to have such a thing. A product vision should be nice and compact, like Kennedy's moon landing speech: what we're doing, the timeline, and the value." — Luca Ingianni "I don't care about the stupid presentation. Show me a product increment. Show me captured value. Then we're talking. Anything else is just smoke and mirrors." — Luca Ingianni "Plans are useless but planning is indispensable. That process of getting all the key players in the same room and trying to hash out this schedule is where you will uncover the biggest uncertainties and risks." — Jeff Gable Resources Mentioned Agile Embedded Podcast Episode 31 - Interview with John Odo on product roadmaps (May 2022) Luca's Agile Requirements Engineering Training - Training course covering requirements, roadmaps, and product planning BaseRef - Jeff's new product for requirements and test management for medical device startups The Mythical Man-Month - Classic book on software project management discussing why adding people to late projects makes them later Agile Embedded Podcast Slack - Community discussion channel where you can reach the hosts and connect with other listeners You can find Jeff at https://jeffgable.com.You can find Luca at https://luca.engineer.Want to join the agile Embedded Slack? Click hereAre you looking for embedded-focused trainings? Head to https://agileembedded.academy/Ryan Torvik and Luca have started the Embedded AI podcast, check it out at https://embeddedaipodcast.com/
- Jun 9, 202650 min
Factory Firmware Flashing with Pete Staples
We talk with Pete Staples, founder of Blue Clover Devices, about the often-overlooked challenge of flashing firmware in production. Pete shares insights from running a contract manufacturing operation in Shenzhen and explains why the handoff from engineering to manufacturing is more like "hucking it over a fence" than a smooth relay race. We explore the gap between engineers' assumptions about factory capabilities and the dusty reality of production floors. Pete discusses security challenges, the complexity of modern microcontroller programming, and how Blue Clover's Production Line Tool addresses the middle ground between expensive custom automation and ad-hoc bench setups. We also touch on provisioning, calibration workflows, and why the engineer who designs the product must also define how it's tested. Key Topics [02:30] The reality of factory firmware flashing - dusty PCs, hot glue, and cables everywhere [06:15] Security challenges: managing sensitive firmware and the "glass room" solution [09:45] The gap between engineer assumptions and factory reality - no, they don't have better equipment than you [14:20] In-circuit testing and bed-of-nails fixtures explained [22:30] The Production Line Tool: standardizing hardware and software across engineering and factory [28:00] Recording what matters: firmware versions, hardware serial numbers, and test results per device [31:45] Provisioning and security: webhooks, cloud databases, and managing secrets in production [38:20] The Test Agent: a companion device for running third-party software and complex programming workflows [43:00] Who should write the test plan? Why engineers must define "good enough" before production Notable Quotes "Engineers assume that the factories are a lot more sophisticated than they really are. In reality, it's a lot more like just hucking it over a fence and just hoping there's somebody there waiting." — Pete Staples "They show you their pick-and-place machine and 10-zone reflow oven, and you're like, 'wow, these guys are tipped off.' And then rarely do they say, 'oh, and here's where we do firmware flashing.' It's normally another floor of the building, dimly lit, dusty old PCs." — Pete Staples "The engineer responsible for the product has to not only engineer the product, but how it's tested. They can't just say, 'here's a bunch of design files, build it and let's see what happens.'" — Pete Staples Resources Mentioned Blue Clover Devices - Pete's company specializing in factory firmware flashing solutions Embedded World (Nuremberg) - Annual trade show in March where Blue Clover exhibits Embedded World North America (Anaheim) - North American version of Embedded World, September 22nd Kinetic (San Francisco) - Hardware-focused event put on by Hardware FYI You can find Jeff at https://jeffgable.com.You can find Luca at https://luca.engineer.Want to join the agile Embedded Slack? Click hereAre you looking for embedded-focused trainings? Head to https://agileembedded.academy/Ryan Torvik and Luca have started the Embedded AI podcast, check it out at https://embeddedaipodcast.com/
- May 27, 202650 min
Requirements Engineering, part 2: A Practical Process for Safety-Critical Development
Requirements Engineering Part 2: A Practical Process for Safety-Critical Development In this second part of our requirements engineering series, Jeff walks us through his preferred process for developing safety-critical products, particularly medical devices. We explore the crucial distinction between prototyping and design-controlled development, discussing when to start formal requirements work and how to keep your first version minimal yet complete. Jeff emphasizes the importance of deeply fleshing out requirements before implementation—including error handling, which often comprises 70% of a product. We discuss tracer bullets as a development strategy, the value of writing test cases alongside requirements, and why tracking requirements completion gives you honest project status. Luca and Jeff also debate the finer points of MVPs versus prototypes, and Jeff announces his upcoming requirements management tool for medical device startups. Key Topics [00:00] Introduction and listener feedback on Part 1 [02:30] The prototyping phase: answering 'can we build it?' and 'should we build it?' before design controls [06:00] Luca vs. Jeff: The great MVP and prototype debate [12:00] Starting the V-model: minimal but deeply fleshed-out requirements for V1 [18:00] Error handling is 70% of your product—don't skip it in requirements [22:00] When to write test cases: early, alongside requirements [26:00] War story: the SATCOM system that needed a satellite slot in five years [32:00] Project management: tracking requirements completion for honest status updates [38:00] Tracer bullets: vertical slices through all layers, not horizontal completion [45:00] Jeff's upcoming requirements and test management tool for medical device startups Notable Quotes "Error handling is 70% of your product, if not more. If you only do the 30% of the requirements for the happy path, you're fooling yourself." — Jeff "If you don't get this right at the outset, it will haunt you through the entirety of your product development process." — Luca "Paper is the best place to figure it out. Actually think through the requirements rigorously before you start building." — Jeff Resources Mentioned Agile Embedded Slack Channel - Community discussion space for embedded development topics Matt Pocock's YouTube Channel - AI for serious engineers, discusses tracer bullets and AI-assisted development The Pragmatic Programmer - Classic software development book, source of the tracer bullet concept The Art of Unix Programming by Eric S. Raymond - Referenced for the chapter 'Don't just do something. Stand there.' Embedded.fm Episode 440: Condemned to Being Perfect - Crossover episode with Elecia White and Christopher White, where bootloaders and update strategies came up Jeff's Requirements Management Tool - Upcoming requirements, risk, and test management tool for medical device startups You can find Jeff at https://jeffgable.com.You can find Luca at https://luca.engineer.Want to join the agile Embedded Slack? Click hereAre you looking for embedded-focused trainings? Head to https://agileembedded.academy/Ryan Torvik and Luca have started the Embedded AI podcast, check it out at https://embeddedaipodcast.com/
- May 13, 202648 min
Fuzzing and Dynamic Analysis for High-Integrity Software with Paul Butcher
Fuzzing and Dynamic Analysis for High-Integrity Software with Paul Butcher We sit down with Paul Butcher, Unit Director of Dynamic Analysis at AdaCore, to explore verification techniques beyond basic compliance in safety-critical software. Paul shares his experience from Eurofighter to automated trains, explaining how dynamic analysis—from unit testing to coverage analysis to fuzzing—helps find bugs that traditional testing misses. The conversation dives deep into fuzzing: how it works, why it's so effective at finding corner-case bugs (even in well-tested systems), and the challenges of applying it to embedded systems with timing constraints. Paul introduces an intriguing approach that combines static analysis with targeted fuzzing to automatically triage false positives and generate reproducers. We also touch on formal verification, the role of LLMs in verification workflows, and why the simplest software is often the safest. Whether you're working in aerospace, medical devices, or any safety-critical domain, this episode offers practical insights into building more robust systems. Key Topics [02:30] Paul's background in high-integrity embedded systems: Eurofighter, rail, drones, and AdaCore's dynamic analysis tools [05:00] Dynamic vs. static analysis: executing code to observe real behavior across different environments [08:15] How fuzzing works: mutation engines, anomaly detection, and finding bugs through negative testing [14:20] Challenges of fuzzing timing and concurrency bugs in embedded systems [17:45] Real-world success: fuzzing the NH90 avionics via the MIL bus uncovered numerous bugs [22:30] Safety standards (DO-178C, SIL levels) and objective-based approaches vs. checkbox compliance [28:00] Determining 'enough' fuzzing: coverage, input space complexity, and building certification arguments [32:15] Combining static analysis with targeted fuzzing to automatically triage false positives and generate reproducers [38:45] Symbolic execution and theorem provers: breaking through complex branch conditions in fuzzing campaigns [42:00] Shift-left philosophy: building verifiable software from the start with testing and analysis tools [47:30] Formal verification in practice: London Underground's Victoria line uses SPARK-proven emergency braking [51:00] LLMs in verification: cautious adoption for report analysis, but determinism remains critical for core tools [54:30] High Integrity Software Conference (HISC) in Birmingham, October 2026 Notable Quotes "Software testing is typically about, is it functionally correct? Fuzzing is like a negative testing technique. It's the inverse of that. It fires random inputs into your system with the intent of finding anomalies." — Paul Butcher "Every time I speak to someone who's tried fuzzing, even if it's a system that's considered high integrity with a high level of assurance, they always find something. It's really good at eking out those weird corner case scenarios." — Paul Butcher "With testing you would like to prove the absence of bugs, but unfortunately you can't. So you have to settle for a very distant second place of proving the presence of bugs." — Luca Ingianni Resources Mentioned Paul's paper on fuzzing in safety-critical contexts - Detailed discussion of how to argue 'enough' fuzzing for certification High Integrity Software Conference (HISC) - Annual conference in Birmingham, UK (October 2026) covering high-integrity software across industries AdaCore Dynamic Analysis Tools - Coverage, fuzzing, and unit testing solutions for high-integrity software SPARK formal verification - Formal proof technology used in London Underground's Victoria line emergency braking AFL++ - Successor to the discontinued AFL (American Fuzzy Lop): Fuzzing technology mentioned as capable of quickly finding the Heartbleed bug You can find Jeff at https://jeffgable.com.You can find Luca at https://luca.engineer.Want to join the agile Embedded Slack? Click hereAre you looking for embedded-focused training
- Apr 30, 202646 min
Linux Profiling with Mohammed Billoo
Linux Profiling with Mohammed Billoo We sit down with Mohammed Billoo, founder of Mab Labs and author of the Embedded Linux Essentials Handbook, to explore the world of embedded Linux profiling and optimization. Mohammed shares hard-won lessons from the field, including debugging a scientific instrument that mysteriously crashed after 60-minute runs and optimizing a sophisticated MANET platform that took a 20% throughput hit. The conversation reveals a fundamental truth: in embedded Linux, the CPU is rarely the bottleneck. Mohammed walks us through his systematic approach to performance problems, starting with simple tools like HTOP before diving into specialized instrumentation. We discuss the critical difference between VM size and VM RSS for memory analysis, why dumping console output can kill boot times, and how to leverage kernel configurations for maximum diagnostic bang-for-buck. Mohammed emphasizes the importance of building instrumentation into systems from day one—not for premature optimization, but to give your future self the data needed when problems inevitably surface. The discussion also touches on how LLMs can accelerate the learning curve for complex tools like Valgrind and perf, while stressing that physical reality remains the ultimate arbiter of system performance. Key Topics [03:15] The surface area problem: why embedded Linux profiling requires a tool chest, not just a toolbox [06:30] Case study: debugging a scientific instrument that crashed after 60-minute runs [08:45] VM size vs. VM RSS: understanding the critical difference in memory analysis [14:20] Why the CPU is rarely the bottleneck: coprocessors, DMA, and crypto engines [18:50] Essential kernel configurations: function tracer, perf, and config kallsyms [24:10] File system bottlenecks: moving from CSV files to SQLite for data integrity [28:40] Boot time optimization: why console output is one of the biggest time sinks [32:15] Premature optimization vs. smart instrumentation: building in diagnostic capability from day one [38:25] Leveraging LLMs for visualization and analysis of perf data and Valgrind output [43:50] The first five commands: starting with HTOP and working down to specialized tools Notable Quotes "When you first get started, you have generally this arrogance that like, oh, it works fine. I've tested it. It's good to go. But then as you get more experience, as you become a more senior-level engineer, that arrogance, you start to kind of strip away a lot of that arrogance. You get humbled pretty quickly." — Mohammed Billoo "The CPU is very rarely the bottleneck because it's meant to, and the drivers are implemented in Linux in such a way that they're intelligent enough that they can hand off a lot of the things of the CPU to coprocessors so that the CPU is really idle." — Mohammed Billoo "I don't convince myself of a claim that I'm making until I have data to back it up. So I don't say, oh, you know, this is working fine. Like, well, again, what does fine mean? Or, you know, what does well mean? And what is the data to prove that?" — Mohammed Billoo Resources Mentioned HTOP - Interactive process viewer for Linux - Mohammed's first tool for getting a high-level view of system performance perf - Linux profiling tool with performance counters - requires kernel configuration to enable LTTng - Linux Trace Toolkit Next Generation - provides visibility across both user space and kernel space Valgrind - Memory debugging and profiling tool for detecting memory leaks iperf - Network throughput measurement tool with server and client components GStreamer - Multimedia framework with built-in tools for per-frame timestamp analysis Tracealyzer - Visualization tool for LTTng and other performance data SQLite - Embedded database recommended for data integrity over CSV files in embedded systems Embedded Linux Essentials Handbook - Mohammed Billoo's book published by Packt Mab Labs</
- Apr 15, 202647 min
E94 Requirements Engineering, part 1: Fundamentals
Requirements Engineering Fundamentals - Part 1 We kick off a multi-part series on requirements engineering by exploring what requirements actually are and why they matter - even for Agilists. Jeff shares his medical device expertise while Luca brings his automotive and aerospace background to discuss the different levels of requirements (from high-level user needs to testable system requirements), the importance of traceability, and why proper tooling beats Word and Excel every time. We dig into practical aspects like the EARS format for writing requirements, the crucial distinction between requirements and design choices, and why glossaries aren't as boring as they sound. Along the way, we tackle the tension between regulatory compliance and actual engineering value, emphasizing that documentation should be an artifact of diligent work - not the work itself. Whether you're in safety-critical industries or just want to build better products, understanding requirements engineering helps manage complexity and prevent costly mistakes. Key Topics [02:30] What is requirements engineering and why it matters beyond safety-critical industries [06:45] Don't Agilists hate requirements? Debunking the myth and discussing iteration vs. waterfall [11:20] The hierarchy of requirements: user needs, system requirements, and subsystem requirements [18:00] Requirements vs. design choices: where to draw the line and why it matters for testing [24:15] Writing good requirements: EARS format, must vs. shall vs. may, and the value of glossaries [32:40] Traceability: linking requirements across levels and to test cases [40:30] Why Word and Excel don't cut it: the case for proper requirements management tools [48:20] Risk analysis and mitigation in safety-critical development [52:00] Documentation as artifact of diligent work, not the work itself Notable Quotes "The whole agile movement was a reaction to the one time through the requirements specification build test loop that took several years. By the time you got to the end, the requirements no longer applied." — Jeff "Do not use an LLM to manage requirements. Do use the LLM to write tools that help you manage requirements." — Luca "I view any medical device that I work on as if it's going to be used on my child. What do I need to do to convince myself that it is safe and effective? Once I have done that, if there are remaining boxes to check to get it through FDA, I will check those boxes." — Jeff Resources Mentioned EARS (Easy Approach to Requirements Syntax) - A grammar format for writing clear, verifiable requirements that constrains how requirements are written to reduce ambiguity FDA Guidance on Agile Development - Regulatory guidance describing how to do Agile development in medical device context ISO 26262 - Automotive safety standard mentioned as having similar traceability requirements to medical devices DO-178B - Aerospace software safety standard with similar requirements engineering principles You can find Jeff at https://jeffgable.com.You can find Luca at https://luca.engineer.Want to join the agile Embedded Slack? Click hereAre you looking for embedded-focused trainings? Head to https://agileembedded.academy/Ryan Torvik and Luca have started the Embedded AI podcast, check it out at https://embeddedaipodcast.com/
- Apr 1, 202652 min
Hardware-Software Co-Development with Tobias Kästner
We talk with Tobias Kästner, a physicist-turned-software-architect and technical consultant at Inovex, about his journey from painfully slow hardware-software integration cycles to achieving three-week hardware sprints. Tobias shares hard-won lessons from medical device development, where fuzzy requirements and constant feedback from life scientists forced his team to rethink traditional approaches. The conversation centers on practical techniques: breaking monolithic PCB designs into modular "feature boards" connected via shields (think Arduino-style), using Git for hardware version control with SHA-1s printed on silkscreens, and leveraging tools like Zephyr RTOS to enable plug-and-play firmware that matches the modularity of the hardware. Tobias explains how relaxing constraints like board size and using automation to merge schematics allowed his team to iterate rapidly while maintaining a clear path to final form-factor designs. We discuss how this approach scaled to projects with 120+ people across multiple teams, and why the interplay between system architecture, organizational structure, and information flow matters more than most realize. Key Topics [02:30] The painful reality of traditional hardware development: six-month wait for hardware, nine months of debugging [08:00] Breaking apart monolithic PCB designs into modular feature boards with shield connectors [12:45] Relaxing constraints: larger board areas, autorouting, and prioritizing testability over final form factor [18:20] Version control for hardware: putting schematics in Git and printing SHA-1s on silkscreens [22:00] Using automation to merge feature board schematics into final form-factor designs [26:15] Firmware architecture: NuttX, Zephyr, KConfig, and device trees for modular, plug-and-play software [35:40] Scaling agile hardware-software co-development to 120+ person projects across multiple teams [39:00] The interplay of system architecture, organizational architecture, and information architecture Notable Quotes "When the board arrived, not a single line of code had been written for it because no one had been able to touch it. It took us nine additional months to debug all the things out of it." — Tobias Kästner "I've never seen any board working the first time. I've never seen any prototype without thin wires patching things out, but that's maybe a different story." — Tobias Kästner "We cannot think these architectures as independent of one another. If we have limitations in two of these architectures, we will see these limitations in the third architecture as well." — Tobias Kästner Resources Mentioned Inovex - Tobias's company offering engineering consulting services, trainings, and expertise in embedded systems, IoT, and full-stack development Zephyr RTOS - Open-source real-time operating system with KConfig, device tree support, and extensive driver library that Tobias recommends for modular firmware development NuttX RTOS - Apache Foundation RTOS with clean device driver model and KConfig support that Tobias used in earlier projects KiCad - Open-source PCB design software with emerging Python API support for schematic automation Services and Contact Through Inovex, Tobias provides trainings for both Zephyr and Yocto Linux, as well as consultancy and engineering support for embedded projects -- from 1-2 day workshops evaluating architectural state and cost/benefit analysis, to first prototypes, to full-fledged software development. With partners such as alpha-board (Berlin) and Blunk electronic (Erfurt), they also offer agile hardware services and help teams get started with the methods discussed in this episode. Email: tobias.kaestner@inovex.de Tobias Kästner on LinkedIn tobiaskaestner on the Zephyr Discord Channel Links Companies: Inovex -- Embedded Systems Blunk electronic alpha-board <a href="https://
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