
#31. The episode digs into why customer service in superannuation call centres is consistently failing, what that means for members at moments of real need, and whether mandatory service standards are required to fix it.Xavier O'Halloran of Super Consumers Australia joins Neil Benson and Sarah Penn to break down the findings of a first-of-its-kind research project: not one super fund met basic customer care expectations, with average scores across the industry barely scraping 49 out of 100.The conversation moves beyond the numbers to challenge assumptions about what good service actually looks like in super, question the incentives facing funds, and ask whether consumers can trust the market to improve on its own—or if regulation and public benchmarking are the only way forward.There's a clear sense that too much focus on efficiency metrics, like short call durations, misses the real point: helping people, often at their most vulnerable. The hosts and guest also debate wider consumer protection gaps, from SMSFs to retirement product design, arguing that fair and accessible service must be a foundation, not an afterthought.Who should listenSuper fund executives and trustees concerned about service standards or looming regulationContact centre leaders tasked with improving member experiencePolicy or compliance professionals tracking how customer care is shaping industry benchmarking and government interventionStandout quote"They just had to act like a human. So not very high bar, but that was the one that they scored worse on." — Xavier O'HalloranHighlights04:40 Issues with superannuation customer service06:45 Improving service through practical examples10:55 Addressing vulnerable customer interactions14:59 Research to improve fund transparency18:54 Consumer channel preferences by age19:32 Superannuation accessibility and diversity24:00 Discussion on advice fee levies27:53 Proposed reforms for SMSF trustees30:16 Concerns about low-cost SMSFs33:04 Understanding consumer retirement planning37:11 Evaluating retirement investment options42:08 Advancements in individual savings45:53 Improving retirement service integration49:32 Concerns about retirement planning changes51:19 Discussing safe harbor legislation concernsGuest: Xavier O'HalloranConnect with Xavier O'Halloran on LinkedInFollow Super Consumers Australia on LinkedInVisit Super Consumers Australia websiteThat Super ShowThat Super Show is the most downloaded podcast for Australian superannuation professionals. Sarah and Neil cover the issues, debates and decisions shaping the industry - without the spin.Subscribe to the show wherever you listen to podcasts and don't forget to leave us a rating and review.Visit That Super Show website and become a newsletter subscriberEmail hello@thatsuper.show if you've got a topic you'd like us to cover or a guest proposal or suggestionFollow That Super Show on LinkedInFollow That Super Show on YouTubeYour CohostsSarah PennSarah Penn is the CEO and founder of Mayflower Consulting, an Australian financial services consultancy specialising in product governance, PDS management, and product operating model design. Her team works with super funds, fund managers, and investment platforms across Australia.Connect with Sarah on LinkedInFollow Mayflower Consulting on LinkedInVisit Mayflower Consulting websiteNeil BensonNeil Benson is the global chief product officer at ChandlerCX, where he leads a team focused on intelligent customer messaging for regulated organisations, including superannuation funds,
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