Summation with Auren Hoffman

Eric Ries on why "bad governance" outperforms, the case against shareholder primacy, and AI's Chernobyl moment

April 14, 2026·58 min
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Eric Ries created the Lean Startup methodology and authored the bestselling book of the same name, which has sold over a million copies. He's also the founder and executive chairman of the Long-Term Stock Exchange, the co-founder of Answer AI (an AI R&D lab), and the author of the upcoming book Incorruptible, releasing May 26th. In this episode of Summation, Eric and Auren discuss: why "bad governance" companies have outperformed "good governance" since 2008financial gravity - the invisib...

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