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- Jan 1, 20261h 32m
3.7 — “Science Says” - Stress, Welfare, and Punishment: Dogma vs. Reality with Dr. Melanie Uhde
“Science” is often invoked in dog training discussions to signal intelligence, moral superiority, and to shame those who advocate for balanced approaches. In Episode 3.7, hosts Jenny Nordin and Ashlyn Kauh sit down with neurobiologist and dog trainer Dr. Melanie Uhde to examine what science actually says about stress, punishment, welfare, and learning—and what that means for modern dog training.Together, they unpack the studies most commonly cited to condemn punishment, explaining why many fail to reflect real-world training and why metrics like cortisol or body language alone don’t capture long-term outcomes such as confidence, resilience, and success in real homes. They differentiate acute vs. chronic stress and explore stress inoculation, highlighting research that shows how appropriate stress can build coping skills and improve behavioral and neurological outcomes.The conversation also tackles aversive control, discussing why—when applied correctly—it can be more reliable, persistent, and generalizable than reward-only approaches. Finally, they connect the science to everyday life with dogs, addressing puppies, fosters, fearful dogs, and why aversive control shouldn’t be treated as a last resort. This is a nuanced, evidence-based discussion focused on moving past ideology and toward training that genuinely improves dogs’ lives in the real world.Mentions:Melanie Uhde BiographMichael EllisCooper studyIvan's podcast discussion on Cooper studyShocking rats causes aggressionStress inoculation in miceDopamine and aversive controlScientific terms defined:Confirmation BiasMethodsCausationCorrelationControlCortisolStress inoculationHippocampusLearned helplessnessEarly Neurological Stimulation (ENS)Social:Dr. Melanie UhdeFacebook: @Dr.Melanie.UhdeInstagram: @caninedecodedSo You Want to Run a Dog RescueFacebook: @DGS.PodcastInstagram: @DGS.PodcastEmail: soyouwanttorunadogrescue@gmail.com00:00 3.7: Science Says with Dr. Melanie Uhde06:11 Why this conversation matters right now15:03 Methodological issues with frequently cited studies26:51 Welfare conclusions37:08 The case for stress44:26 Implications for epidemic of anxious dogs49:56 The role of ENS53:13 The case for punishment58:14 How to prevent fallout from punishment01:04:30 Why punishment should not be a 'last resort'01:11:20 Advice for adopters01:15:33 Simply daily habits for the average dog owner to build dog's resilience01:20:08 Final last questions
- Dec 28, 20251h 10m
3.6 — Starting with Science: A Primer on Operant Conditioning (and Where We Stand on Training, Officially)
Recorded six weeks ago—if that gives any indication of how busy things have been — Episode 3.6 is short, sweet, and sets the table for the Season 3 finale with Dr. Melanie Uhde.Before taking listeners all the way to Science Town, hosts Jenny Nordin and Ashlyn Kauh start with the basics: operant conditioning, the four quadrants, and what “punishment” actually means—hint: the dog decides, and it’s not a squirt bottle (at least not for Jenny’s GSD, Mando).Beyond terminology, this episode marks the first time balanced training is the main topic of discussion. Against the backdrop of an ideological war between training camps (and after experiencing some truly unhinged reactions to their willingness to stop behaviors that were quite literally going to get dogs killed), Ashlyn and Jenny discuss why balanced training is not only necessary, but often life-saving. They share real-world examples drawn from a statistically significant sample size (yes, they’re being scientific now) and explore whether lived experience can meaningfully influence the broader conversation. Or not—because, Jenny wonders, is it not just all the dogs on drugs?The episode also includes highlights from the Michael Ellis / Melanie Uhde Aversive Control seminar, including a gummy-adjacent encounter with a local trainer/breeder that very nearly didn’t make the cut.And for listeners less invested in the science and training discussion, skip ahead to Questions: resident nutrition savant Ashlyn shares some truly useful recommendations—especially for large breeds—you won’t want to miss.Stay tuned for Behind the Scenes where the banter is real, and listeners will understand why Shadowfax will never be invited to a podcast recording again.POD MENTIONS:Melanie UhdeMichael Ellis SchoolFixers Collective ReelAVSAB Veterinary Position StatementNutriscanOptagestMushroom Matrix Skin & CoatMyosConnectinCosequinPARTNER MENTIONS:Fixers CollectiveSaving Great AnimalsForever Home Dog RescueWashington Health OutreachRegional Animal Services King CountyPAWSADOPTABLE DOG MENTIONS:Tera TailsMosesCutie PieMango<a href="https://doggoneseattle.org/adoptable-dogs/?_refresh=1765562463461#action_0=pet&animalID_0=19603027&petIndex_0=0" target="_blank" rel="
- Nov 21, 20251h 41m
3.5 — Dogs Biting Kids + 9-5 Crazy F*cking Shit List = Big Feelings
Season 3 Episode 5: Feral, F-bomb heavy, and full of chaos. Hosts Jenny Nordin and Ashlyn Kauh start off “normally” enough—updates on the Dog Detective Case Files, Fixers Collective, and some behind-the-scenes strategery involving a spreadsheet so convoluted Jenny had to learn something called Javascript just to make it work. But then… Jenny goes off the rails. Spreadsheet-induced madness? Or just every day insanity of running the largest dog rescue in the PNW? You decide.Main topic: Dogs biting kids. Not great. Often complicated, but sometimes just screamingly obvious bad (human and/or canine) parenting. Lately, every day (9-5 and then some) has been full of Crazy Shit so this episode throws the usual segments into a blender and hits puree. (Cue the F-Bombs.) From “Dangerous Dog" designations who "just need a CGC" to maniacal keyboard warriors and delulu adopters sending novels to an overflowing inbox, the drama is real and the feelings are big.Grab your popcorn if you're here for the soapbox. Otherwise, skip to the Questions for super useful info on Nutriscan testing for food allergies.POD MENTIONS:Aversive Control SeminarMichael Ellis School Melanie Uhde [Canine Decoded]Bite Level in Dogs [Veterinary Partner]NutriScan [HemoPet]Dr. Jean Dodds [HemoPet]Animal Apologists Podcast [Spotify]Kayleigh and Dogs (Animal Apologists) [Instagram]PARNTER MENTIONS:Fixers Collective [Instagram]Crossroads VetDog B GoodDouble Down Dog TrainingThe Good Dog WayAll the Best Pet CareADOPTABLE DOG MENTIONS: LunaRexPennyLeoFreyaRicoAsk us anything via Email to soyouwanttorunadogrescue@gmail.comFollow us on social media at @dgs.podcastDon't forget to Like, Share, Comment and Subscribe!Chapters00:00 3.5 Dogs Biting Kids01:45 3.4 Updates: Luna, Sprinkles, Heist09:01 What we've been up to (it's a lot)12:34 Aversive Control Seminar at Michael Ellis School14:28 Fixers Collective 2.017:24 Adoption Updates (Thank you Kris)18:21 Main Topic: Dogs Who Bite Kids19:30 Screening adult dogs for placement in homes with kids23:21 Dog in the home and having a baby24:55 But first: Bite Levels (The Bite Scale)30:56 Lessons from Mando37:48 Addin
- Nov 3, 20251h 11m
3.4 — The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly (Dog Rescue Edition)
Apologies for the delay — after intaking 30 dogs in just four days, hosts Jenny Nordin and Ashlyn Kauh have had their hands (and homes) full. In Episode 3.4, they catch up on 3.3 Case Files (Luna, Rex, and Claudette) and take listeners behind the scenes of Not Your 9 to 5, where round-the-clock care at the Community Center is now part of the job.The main discussion covers wins, losses, and downright WTF moments — including one tearful Zoom call (awkward, and probably fueled by sleep deprivation) and a very unfortunate-looking dog. On the Shit List this week: an adopter/surrenderer in serious contention for Shittiest Shit Listee, breaking contracts and basic decency. The silver lining? An OG foster swoops in to save the day. Finally, in Questions, they tackle Smegma — a word that they wish didn’t exist.POD MENTIONS:LEADing the Pack Animal Welfare Conference [The Washington Federation of Animal Care and Control Agencies]Janelle Envy Tattoo [Instagram]The Canine ConferenceMelanie Uhde [Instagram]ZeffyDog Gone Deck of Cards Fundraiser [Zeffy]MyosNutriscanPARNTER MENTIONS:K9 Kennel BossThe Good Dog WayVeterinary Emergency Group (VEG)Crossroads VetTacoma Humane SocietyADOPTABLE DOG MENTIONS: PadfootLeftyRicoAsk us anything via Email to soyouwanttorunadogrescue@gmail.comFollow us on social media at @dgs.podcastDon't forget to Like, Share, Comment and Subscribe!Chapters00:00 3.4: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly: Rescue Edition00:31 Excuses for podcast delays04:39 Updates on Dog Detective Case Files: Luna, Rex and Claudette11:21 A little inside 'secret'19:36 Really freaking awesome adoptions: Ryder round 222:41 MoVal sheppies and Sprinkles meet and greet29:17 Walter the poodle! (When we celebrate a foster fail)30:48 Not Your 9 to 5: Community Center Dog Sitch36:39 Hodgepodge: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly37:30 The Good: Zeffy and Rico45:17 The Bad: The Day-to-Day Grind49:01 The Ugly (Crying on a Zoom anyone?)52:49 Ashlyn's Ugly Nephew Dog Heist58:03 Shit List01:07:27 Questions: Smegma (not our favorite word)01:07:31 Questions
- Oct 12, 20251h 4m
3.3 — Dog Detective Case Files: Luna, Rex and Clyde
Rescue dogs don’t come with a sign on their heads listing all their most important information It’s often the rescuer’s job to figure it out — piecing together clues from stakeholders, vet records, and in-person evaluations to paint a picture of each dog’s past, present, and future.In Episode 3.3, hosts Jenny Nordin and Ashlyn Kauh dive into three remarkable cases: Luna, a returned cattle dog (adopted as a puppy) with “debilitating anxiety”; Rex, an owner-surrendered shepherd arriving beyond emaciated with no clear medical explanation; and Clyde (Claudette), an unexpected quasi-feral shelter intake.They also recap a whirlwind stretch of over 30 new intakes — complete with the usual chaos (hello, kennel cough — see Not Your 9 to 5) — and skip the “Shit List” this week in favor of celebrating collaboration. Partnered rescues helped save 15 more lives, and that’s worth spotlighting.This episode pulls back the curtain on detective work in rescue, highlights the power of partnership, and delivers the usual side of chaos, humor, and emotional endurance — all in a day’s work for a rescuer.POD MENTIONS:Diagnosing Kennel Cough in Dogs: A Comprehensive Guide [Kinship]Body Condition Score (BCS) Chart for Dogs [Association for Pet Obesity Prevention]The Honest KitchenCushing’s Disease in Dogs: Signs and Treatment [MedVet]Laboratory Tests Confirming Cushing's Syndrome [Veterinary Partner]PARNTER MENTIONS:Tail Lights Rescue ProjectSTART RescueK9 Kennel BossNirvana K9 TrainingCrossroads VetStanislaus Modesto Animal ServicesSaving Great AnimalsYakima Valley Pet Rescue (Valley Spay & Neuter)Furry FreightADOPTABLE DOG MENTIONS: MurrayAbigailLunaAsk us anything via Email to soyouwanttorunadogrescue@gmail.comFollow us on social media at @dgs.podcastDon't forget to Like, Share, Comment and Subscribe!Chapters00:00 3.3 — Dog Detective Case Files: Luna, Rex and Clyde03:36 Huge week for intakes07:53 A present for Ashlyn11:31 Our Genius Infomercial Idea13:06 Jenny FAIL16:10 Not Your 9 to 5: Kennel Cough19:52 Do your resident dogs catch it?21:58 Main Topic: We're basically dog detectives23:31 Luna adopted as a puppy returned as an adult with "debilitating anxiety"29:42 Rex, an unexpectedly emaciated owner surrender38:19 Clyde (Claudette) shelter intake surprise46:54 Anti Shit List Gold Star Rescue Collabs47:46 Saving Great Animals and 8 Yorkies51:44 Yakima Valley Pet Rescue 7 Puppies56:41 Finding more fosters, fail01:01:37 This number has been disconnected01:02:57 Outro01:03:18 Behind the Scenes
- Sep 22, 20251h 22m
3.2 — Senior Adopters: Balancing Limits, Hard Truths, and Potential Payoffs
In Episode 3.2, hosts Jenny Nordin and Ashlyn Kauh are back with another dose of chaos and candor. They kick things off in Not Your 9 to 5, celebrating their first spay/neuter clinic: 31 dogs fixed in a single day — a win for rescue, a loss for Ashlyn’s back.The main topic tackles adopting to seniors, and why some rescues just won’t do it. It’s not about ageism; it’s about reality — fixed incomes, mobility struggles, and the hard truth that sometimes dogs outlive their humans. Complicated? Absolutely. But also: Some of the most special homes you’ll ever find. Jenny and Ashlyn unpack the fine line between discriminating and discrimination (and why being discerning is literally part of the job), sharing tips for navigating placements with older adopters. On the Shit List, Jenny wades into the awkward waters of anxiety and placement regret after an adopter spiraled into panic attacks before the dog had even decompressed. (Pro-tip: it’d be nice to know ahead of time when someone’s one popped collar away from a full-blown crisis). Finally, in Questions, they share a few red flags and low-key red flags reading between the lines on adoption apps. Some might surprise you!POD MENTIONS:Sparks K9Seattle Animal FoundationSardis Raptor CenterOld Dog Haven2.4: Fungus Among Us -- Healing Yeasty Dogs from the Inside Out [DGS Podcast]The Anxious Generation (Jonathan Haidt) [Amazon]PARNTER MENTIONS:Double Down Dog TrainingVeterinary Emergency Group (VEG)A Dog’s Best FriendSTART RescueTail Lights Rescue ProjectFixers Collective [Instagram]Saving Great AnimalsForever Home Dog RescueSeattle Veterinary OutreachCrossroads VetNirvana K9 TrainingADOPTABLE DOG MENTIONS: SprinkleLicoriceRamenErenAsk us anything via Email to soyouwanttorunadogrescue@gmail.comFollow us on social media at @dgs.podcastDon't forget to Like, Share, Comment and Subscribe!Chapters00:00 3.2 Senior Adopters: Balancing Limits, Hard Truths, and Potential Payoffs01:59 A kid-free Anniversary weekend (ofc Jenny brought the dog)07:16 Updates from 3.1 and Three Awesome Adoptions10:13 Planning for multiple big intakes! (Finally)14:39 Not Your 9 to 5: Fixers Collective Spay Neuter Clinic25:15 Main Topic: Navigating Senior Adopters28:
- Sep 10, 20251h 7m
3.1 — Spay Aborts: The No-Brainer No-Kill Can't Handle
Season Three, LFG! In episode 1, hosts Jenny Nordin and Ashlyn Kauh dive straight into a hot-button topic: spay aborts. Why so controversial? In today’s rescue climate, it should be a no-brainer. But with big names like No-Kill Austin Pets Alive pushing a twisted, delusional narrative (and dirty-deleting their infamous video when the internet clapped back), someone’s gotta say it: we’re not sipping that Kool-Aid!Before we go full soapbox, though, in Not Your 9 to 5, we talk Strep Zoo (yep, add it to the ever-growing rescue worry list) and our 3 a.m. VEG adventure that, thankfully, had a happy ending.And yes—the Crazy Folder is back. This one’s a doozy: Ashlyn unleashes her best “howler” to deliver Tammy’s unhinged message to volunteer Juliana. Spoiler: Tammy wanted a manager. Ashlyn was more than happy to oblige. Go home, Tammy—you’re drunk. (Or just a batty bitch.)POD MENTIONS:International Association of Canine Professionals (IACP)Ivan Balabanov [Training without Conflict]Jay Jack [Next Level Dogs]Dr. Melanie Uhde [Canine Decoded]Renegade Paws RescueSUPERZOOStreptococcus zooepidemicus: an emerging canine pathogen [PubMed]Strep zoo outbreak (July 4, 2025) [Stanislaus Animal Services Facebook]Response to Austin Pets Alive video (dirty delete) [Love and Puppy Paws Dog Rescue Facebook]Commercial Breeder and Pet Store Laws by State [Bailing Out Benji]PARNTER MENTIONS:K9 Kennel BossAll the Best Pet CareDouble Down Dog TrainingVeterinary Emergency Group (VEG)Nirvana K9 TrainingStanislaus Animal ServicesThe Good Dog WayCrossroads VetADOPTABLE DOG MENTIONS: SprinkleSundaeEugeneLunchSnackAsk us anything via Email to soyouwanttorunadogrescue@gmail.comFollow us on social media at @dgs.podcastDon't forget to Like, Share, Comment and Subscribe!Chapters00:00 3.1 Spay Abort03:46 IACP key takeaways08:00 Really exciting announcement (podcast guest)09:36 Superzoo slip lead search13:54 Household updates, kids and dogs21:50 Dogs and kids (stress inoculation)23:21 Not Your 9 to 5: Stre
- Aug 15, 202552 min
2.29: Scrotal Hematoma (aka Swollen Empty Ball Sac Syndrome)
Season Two Finale! In episode 29, hosts Jenny Nordin and Ashlyn Kauh gear up for a week in Savannah at the IACP conference—with two husbands and five young kids in tow. Between the usual chaos and conference prep, they share rescue updates and dive into the saga of Enzo’s, ahem, “ball situation” (medically: scrotal hematoma). This inspires a slightly uncomfortable trip down rescue memory lane, featuring legends like Dicer the Doberman and Pepsi, the infamous Giving Tuesday tearjerker. This one is a short, sweet, and delightfully awkward episode that might have you wondering what it’s like to ice your dog’s bits. Par for the course of a day in the life!POD MENTIONS:International Association of Canine Professionals (IACP)The Sprinkler Game [The Collared Scholar You Tube]Scrotal Hematoma [Veterinary Key Points]Von Willebrand Disease [Cornell]Crate Breaking Prevention [The Good Dog Way]Duke Ferguson [Unleashed Potential]Melanie Uhde [Canine Decoded]Dog Pro Radio Podcast [IACP]Episode 16: Jay Jack [Dog Pro Radio]PARNTER MENTIONS:Double Down Dog TrainingFurry Freight Shelter TransportTail Lights Rescue ProjectCrossroads VetK9 Kennel BossADOPTABLE DOG MENTIONS: SundaeCleoFranklinEnzoAsk us anything via Email to soyouwanttorunadogrescue@gmail.comFollow us on social media at @dgs.podcastDon't forget to Like, Share, Comment and Subscribe!Chapters00:00 2.29 Scrotal Hematoma02:38 Rescue center updates03:51 First training seminar and it's engagement games07:51 Two stars and a wish08:45 Dog updates13:30 Still looking for skeletons in Franklin's closet15:14 Empty swollen ball sac syndrome aka scrotal hematoma17:38 What even is it and what are risk factors20:12 Caring for a dog with scrotal hematoma24:37 When ablation is necessary26:31 Vet dynamics with 'botched' surgeries29:58 Most memorable scrotal hematomas30:45 Bruno the GSD going to Canada circa 201732:21 Probably the worst: Dicer the Doberman35:14 Ashlyn's worst case: Archer, also a Doberman37:14 Pepsi the Giving Tuesday Poster Boy38:37 Considerations for Shadowfax39:34 Heading to IACP Conference in Savannah41:57 Excited to see Melanie Uhde (Canine Decoded)44:35 Jay Jack Windows Theory49:29 Future of the Podcast: Season 3!51:16 Deleted Scenes and ADHD Tangents
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