Second Nature

We Need to Talk About AI

November 4, 2026·35 min
Episode Description from the Publisher

Production is underway on a new season! We're starting off strong with deep dives on how the AI boom is impacting our money. As a primer on the environmental impact of data centers, we thought it was the perfect time to revisit the episode: We Need to Talk About AI.  This episode originally aired on May 25, 2025.When you ask ChatGPT to write a cover letter, make your grocery list, or edit an image, what's actually happening in the real world? As AI gets bigger by the day, it's requiring more and more energy, water, and land in communities around the world. Tech companies are investing billions of dollars in data centers and technologies to power AI, but are they also investing in sustainable and equitable resources to keep it going?Today, we’re going to take a step back from the chatbots to understand the true impact of AI, how we’re tracking and regulating that impact, and we’ll find out what it will take to build a sustainable future for AI with Shalolei Ren — associate professor of electrical and computer engineering at the University of California Riverside whose work focuses on AI for good. 🌎 See photos of our contributors and find further reading in the full show notes.📱 To join the Commons community, download the app.📷 Follow Second Nature on Instagram.📞 Want to submit to the show? We'd love to hear from you!Episode CreditsListener contributions: Kylie Kovatch, Artie Sadahiro, Nicole Collins, Parisa Golchoubian, Brian StancheskiEpisode expert: Shaolei RenEditing and engineer: Evan Goodchild‍Hosting and production: Katelan Cunningham (00:00) - Introduction (02:50) - GPT is search on steroids (07:07) - Our complicated relationship with AI (14:46) - Is AI taking all our water and power? (22:47) - Regulating the industry (31:23) - What's next?

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