Why Populism Ends in Disaster with Richard Hanania

Richard Hanania is a political scientist and president of the Center for the Study of Partisanship and Ideology. He spent about a decade as one of the most influential voices on the online right — first writing pseudonymously in the alt-right, later as one of the intellectual influences on the Silicon Valley tech right. Then he watched his own ideas take power, and changed his mind. His new book is Kakistocracy: Why Populism Ends in Disaster. Kakistocracy is Greek for rule by the worst. The argument inside it is one very few people are willing to make right now: that Western elites are not overrated but underrated, and that our institutions work far better than we give them credit for. Zoe and Richard get into Australia's populist surge, what actually makes someone an elite, the backlash against skilled immigration and the H-1B fight in the States, whether Sydney's housing crisis is really about immigration, and what frightens him most — which turns out to have a lot to do with fertility. Also: is Zoe an elite? Are you? There's a test. 00:00 Who is Richard Hanania 02:27 The case that elites are underrated 04:50 What actually makes someone an elite 07:04 Do people care about the truth? 08:45 When federal bureaucrats became shitposters 09:38 Populism as rule by the id 11:33 Australia's populist surge 15:57 The awkward part: immigration 18:45 Australian vs American assimilation 21:46 Is Pauline Hanson a serious person? 23:33 Getting elites to take immigration seriously 26:06 Cofnas, Arday and academic gatekeeping 30:03 The H-1B backlash explained 32:58 Zero immigration and the fertility problem 34:05 Anti-Indian sentiment in Australia 35:40 Is Sydney's housing crisis about immigration? 38:30 The chapter Zoe couldn't finish 39:12 Are you an elite? Take the test 41:28 The Manosphere, and what a "chud" is 44:14 Nine-fifty in the morning in Sydney 46:32 The thinkers behind the book 48:15 AI, fertility, and what frightens him most 50:50 Why nobody's pairing up Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices