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Almost every revival has been sparked by hungry, humble young leaders who knew something needed to change. In NextUp, Grant Skeldon helps young leaders narrow their calling and accelerate their mission. Because the stakes are too high. The world needs young leaders to be at their best. NextUp will help you or the young leaders you know get equipped with the helpful frameworks necessary to better form ow you see God, How you view the world, and how you approach God's mission for your life.Tune in today and watch for new episodes every other Thursday. Like, subscribe, share.Have a next gen topic or story for Grant? Want Grant on your show? Reach out at info@thinqmedia.com.
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We've never been more digitally connected or more relationally disconnected. For a lot of young adults, friendship came built in through school, teams and dorm halls, and then college ended. Now they're sitting in small groups that feel like forced fellowship and wondering why community never just happens. In this episode of Next Up, Grant sits down with two pastors who are close friends: Wayne Francis, lead pastor of The Life Church New York and author of the new book Make Friends with Anyone, and Lyle Phillips, lead pastor of Legacy Church in Nashville. Recorded in front of a live studio audience, they make the case for a real theology of friendship. They cover why loneliness is a bigger health crisis than we think, why small groups can't carry the whole load, and why spiritual maturity is impossible apart from community. If you're a young leader trying to build real friendships, or a pastor trying to create spaces where deep friendship is formed, this conversation will reshape how you think about the people in your life. They get into: ✅ The Five Levels of Friendship: Wayne's framework of sunbathers, surfers, snorkelers, scuba divers and submarines, and why giving submarine access to surface-level people leads to church hurt. ✅ Small Groups Aren't Enough: Why church small groups should serve as supplemental relationships, not as the "meat and potatoes" of your friendships. ✅ Isolated or Just Independent?: How an independent spirit is quietly injuring this generation, and why we need people close enough to correct us. ✅ An Enemy Is a Story You Haven't Heard: Loving neighbors across faith and politics, and how a 48-hour trip to Portland turned people Lyle had judged online into friends. 👉 Buy Make Friends with Anyone here: https://a.co/d/0htZHMwC/ 👉 Wayne's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/waynefrancis/ 👉 Lyle's Website: https://www.lylebphillips.org/ 👉 Lyle's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lylebphillips/ Follow Grant on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/grantskeldon And at his website: https://www.grantskeldon.com/ Check out Chichi's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chichionyekanne/ And his website: https://www.worshipwithchichi.com/ ================================================================================= ➡︎Join us at THINQ Summit 2027 in the heart of Nashville, Tennessee: https://events.thinqmedia.com/thinq-summit-2027 ================================================================================= MORE RESOURCES: ➡︎Watch Grant's THINQ talks here: https://thinqmedia.com/speakers/grant-skeldon ➡︎Create a free THINQ Account and download the THINQ Media app on your smart TV to access more trusted content like this on topics from all channels of culture at: https://thinqmedia.com/ ➡︎Take our assessment to see how you apply the THINQ Framework to your everyday life: https://thinqmedia.com/assessment/ ➡︎Attend THINQ events where you can gather with like-minded leaders, ask better questions and have conversations that lead to wisdom: https://events.thinqmedia.com/ ➡︎Lead a THINQ-guided conversation with your family or small group: https://thinqmedia.com/engage/ More from the THINQ Podcast Network: ➡︎Rhythms for Life with Rebekah and Gabe Lyons: https://www.youtube.com/@rebekah_lyons/ ➡︎The InFormed Parent with Suzanne Phillips: https://www.youtube.com/@InFormedParent/ ➡︎UnderCurrent with Gabe Lyons: https://www.youtube.com/@gabe_lyons/ ➡︎NeuroFaith with Curt Thompson: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/neurofaith-with-curt-thompson-md/id1613240148/
When a leader falls publicly, the usual move is to disappear. Carl and Laura Lentz chose to do the harder thing. In this episode of Next Up, Grant sits down with Carl and Laura, co-authors of Overcoming Infidelity and cohosts of the Lights On podcast, to talk honestly about betrayal, shame, and what it actually takes to rebuild a marriage and a family. They break down why "you can't save your life and save your face at the same time," why restoration means getting two people healthy before trying to save a marriage, and how they now parent from presence instead of busyness. If you're a young leader stepping into ministry, building a marriage, or just trying to follow Jesus without wearing a mask on Sunday, this conversation is a necessary reality check. They get into: From Shame to Ownership: Shame keeps your head down and still makes it about you, while ownership gives you something to actually build. Checking the Evidence: Why Carl lives on "one-day contracts" and why every big claim (family first, present husband, good dad) needs proof you can point to. Fight for Your Healing: Healthy people rebuild healthy marriages, so the real win isn't staying together, it's two people getting well. Honesty Over Accountability: Your accountability group is only as good as your honesty, and why therapy should be a normal part of a leader's life, not a last resort. Buy Overcoming Infidelity: 10 Conversations to Help You Heal the Hurt here: https://a.co/d/0hq2erhW Check out Carl's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/carllentz/ And Laura's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lauralentz/ Follow Grant on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/grantskeldon And at his website: https://www.grantskeldon.com/ Check out Chichi's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chichionyekanne/ And his website: https://www.worshipwithchichi.com/ ================================================================================= ➡︎Join us at THINQ Summit 2027 in the heart of Nashville, Tennessee: https://events.thinqmedia.com/thinq-summit-2027 ================================================================================= MORE RESOURCES: ➡︎Watch Grant's THINQ talks here: https://thinqmedia.com/speakers/grant-skeldon ➡︎Create a free THINQ Account and download the THINQ Media app on your smart TV to access more trusted content like this on topics from all channels of culture at: https://thinqmedia.com/ ➡︎Take our assessment to see how you apply the THINQ Framework to your everyday life: https://thinqmedia.com/assessment/ ➡︎Attend THINQ events where you can gather with like-minded leaders, ask better questions and have conversations that lead to wisdom: https://events.thinqmedia.com/ ➡︎Lead a THINQ-guided conversation with your family or small group: https://thinqmedia.com/engage/ More from the THINQ Podcast Network: ➡︎Rhythms for Life with Rebekah and Gabe Lyons: https://www.youtube.com/@rebekah_lyons/ ➡︎The InFormed Parent with Suzanne Phillips: https://www.youtube.com/@InFormedParent/ ➡︎UnderCurrent with Gabe Lyons: https://www.youtube.com/@gabe_lyons/ ➡︎NeuroFaith with Curt Thompson: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/neurofaith-with-curt-thompson-md/id1613240148/
Welcome back to a new season of Next Up! This time we're starting off strong. In this episode, Grant and Chi-Chi sit down with Mark Batterson, lead pastor of National Community Church in Washington, D.C. and New York Times bestselling author of The Circle Maker, to talk about his 27th book, Not My Circus. After 30 years of pastoring in one of the most divided cities in the world, Mark knows that whatever you say is "never enough and always too much." He breaks down how culture slides from politicizing to polarizing to demonizing to dehumanizing, and why followers of Jesus are called to theologize instead: to see the image of God in everyone, even the people who don't vote like us. From when "not my circus" becomes an excuse for silence, to the secondhand stress older generations are passing down, to the ruthless elimination of information in a doomscrolling world, this conversation is packed with wisdom for leading with both grace and truth. If you're a young leader trying to figure out when to speak up, how to stay non-anxious, and how to live for the applause of nail-scarred hands instead of the crowd, this conversation is a must-watch. They get into: ✅ Politicize vs. Theologize: Why filtering your theology through your political ideology is idolatry, and how to start treating people the way Jesus would. ✅ The Sin of Silence: When "not my circus" is a healthy boundary against overfunctioning, and when it's a cover for staying quiet on what God is pressing you to say. ✅ Secondhand Stress: How anxious reactions to culture bleed into the next generation, and why leaders need to become a non-anxious presence who stands up in the boat. ✅ Grace Plus Truth: Grace without truth is weak sauce, truth without grace is hot sauce, and grace plus truth is the secret sauce for leading through hard conversations. 👉 Buy Not My Circus here: https://a.co/d/0ep2XT68 👉 Check out Mark's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/markbatterson/ 👉 And his website: https://www.markbatterson.com/ Follow Grant on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/grantskeldon And at his website: https://www.grantskeldon.com/ Check out Chichi's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chichionyekanne/ And his website: https://www.worshipwithchichi.com/ ================================================================================= ➡︎ Join us at THINQ Summit 2027 in the heart of Nashville, Tennessee: https://events.thinqmedia.com/thinq-summit-2027 ================================================================================= MORE RESOURCES: ➡︎ Watch Grant's THINQ talks here: https://thinqmedia.com/speakers/grant-skeldon ➡︎ Create a free THINQ Account and download the THINQ Media app on your smart TV to access more trusted content like this on topics from all channels of culture at: https://thinqmedia.com/ ➡︎ Take our assessment to see how you apply the THINQ Framework to your everyday life: https://thinqmedia.com/assessment/ ➡︎ Attend THINQ events where you can gather with like-minded leaders, ask better questions and have conversations that lead to wisdom: https://events.thinqmedia.com/ ➡︎ Lead a THINQ-guided conversation with your family or small group: https://thinqmedia.com/engage/ MORE FROM THE THINQ MEDIA PODCAST NETWORK: ➡︎ Rhythms for Life with Rebekah and Gabe Lyons: https://www.youtube.com/@rebekah_lyons/ ➡︎ The InFormed Parent with Suzanne Phillips: https://www.youtube.com/@InFormedParent/ ➡︎ UnderCurrent with Gabe Lyons: https://www.youtube.com/@gabe_lyons/ ➡︎ NeuroFaith with Curt Thompson: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/neurofaith-with-curt-thompson-md/id1613240148/
There is a quiet shift happening right now. The next generation isn't looking to just check religious boxes or live out a lifeless, mechanical faith; they're hungry for real authenticity, a true fear of God, and a genuine return to biblical holiness. But with this openness to the Holy Spirit comes an undeniable reality: young leaders are up against a very intense, modern spiritual battle. In this conversation, Grant sits down with Jennifer Barnett, author and ministry leader at Freedom Prayer, to talk about what it actually looks like to navigate spiritual warfare, anxiety, and identity distortion in today's culture. They break down why tightening personal boundaries isn't about rigid legalism, but about protecting our hard-won intimacy with God. From protecting the imagination to tracing negative scripts back to their original entry points, this discussion offers a refreshing, holistic look at finding real freedom and walking firmly in the light. They get into: The Shift in Gen Z: Why younger leaders are moving past a "conveyor belt" church experience and stepping into an authentic hunger for holiness and the unseen realm. Holiness vs. Legalism: Legalism tries to publicly earn standing; true holiness sets strict boundaries behind the scenes simply to protect a close relationship with Jesus. Rooting Out False Identities: How to help young people put their negative scripts into the light, uncover where those lies started, and let God speak the true script over their lives. Mental Health & Spiritual Roots: Navigating the complex intersection of clinical mental health struggles and the spiritual warfare happening simultaneously beneath the surface. Get a free print copy of Jennifer Barnett's book Next Generation Prayer: Helping Youth Overcome Their Struggles — just pay shipping! Just click on https://oakspress.com/nextup/ to check out. If you want to buy in bulk (as few as two copies can be "bulk") to give this book away, click on https://oakspress.com/nextgenbulk to check out. MORE RESOURCES: ➡︎ Watch Grant's THINQ talks here: https://thinqmedia.com/speakers/grant-skeldon ➡︎ Create a free THINQ Account and download the THINQ Media app on your smart TV to access more trusted content like this on topics from all channels of culture at: https://thinqmedia.com/ ➡︎ Take our assessment to see how you apply the THINQ Framework to your everyday life: https://thinqmedia.com/assessment/ ➡︎ Attend THINQ events where you can gather with like-minded leaders, ask better questions and have conversations that lead to wisdom: https://events.thinqmedia.com/ ➡︎ Lead a THINQ-guided conversation with your family or small group: https://thinqmedia.com/engage/ ================================================================================= ➡︎ Join us at THINQ Summit 2026 in the heart of Nashville, Tennessee: https://events.thinqmedia.com/summit26 ================================================================================= More from the THINQ Podcast Network: ➡︎ Rhythms for Life with Rebekah and Gabe Lyons: https://www.youtube.com/@rebekah_lyons/ ➡︎ The InFormed Parent with Suzanne Phillips: https://www.youtube.com/@InFormedParent/ ➡︎ UnderCurrent with Gabe Lyons: https://www.youtube.com/@gabe_lyons/ ➡︎ NeuroFaith with Curt Thompson: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/neurofaith-with-curt-thompson-md/id1613240148/
Grant sits down with authors, teachers, and great friends Chichi and Tracy Onyekanne to tackle a topic that many next gen leaders and pastors completely avoid: end-times prophecy and eschatology. For a generation that has seen end-times teaching either overhyped with timeline dates or totally ignored out of fear, Chichi and Tracy want to offer a refreshing, biblical approach. They break down the biblical framework of Numbers 19, the mystery of the red heifer, and what it actually means to observe prophetic developments without losing our cultural sanity. If you're a young leader trying to figure out how to navigate the noise of the world and lead your people with urgency, discernment, and scriptural clarity, this conversation is a must-watch. In this conversation, they explore: ✅ The Prophetic Domino: Why they believe the red heifer is a critical historical marker for the third temple and how it helps us understand the timeline of Scripture. ✅ Jesus as the Final Sacrifice: Unpacking the distinction between modern Jewish rituals and standing firm on the complete, finished work of Christ on the cross. ✅ Ditching the Fear of Revelation: How next gen leaders can move past the intimidation of end-times theology towards the urgency of personal repentance and mission. ✅ A Basic Roadmap for Big Topics: Why leadership requires us to stop ignoring the confusing parts of the Bible and instead start asking honest, foundational questions. Buy, Holy Cow: End Times Prophecy Just Got Real Here: https://a.co/d/0ckwyNen/ Subscribe to Faith & Friction: https://www.youtube.com/@FaithandFriction Check out Chichi's Insta: https://www.instagram.com/chichionyekanne/ And his website: https://www.worshipwithchichi.com/ Check out Tracy's Insta: https://www.instagram.com/tracyonyekanne/ MORE RESOURCES: ➡︎ Watch Grant's THINQ talks here: https://thinqmedia.com/speakers/grant-skeldon ➡︎ Create a free THINQ Account and download the THINQ Media app on your smart TV to access more trusted content like this on topics from all channels of culture at: https://thinqmedia.com/ ➡︎ Take our assessment to see how you apply the THINQ Framework to your everyday life: https://thinqmedia.com/assessment/ ➡︎ Attend THINQ events where you can gather with like-minded leaders, ask better questions and have conversations that lead to wisdom: https://events.thinqmedia.com/ ➡︎ Lead a THINQ-guided conversation with your family or small group: https://thinqmedia.com/engage/ ================================================================================= ➡︎ Join us at THINQ Summit 2026 in the heart of Nashville, Tennessee: https://events.thinqmedia.com/summit26 ================================================================================= More from the THINQ Podcast Network: ➡︎ Rhythms for Life with Rebekah and Gabe Lyons: https://www.youtube.com/@rebekah_lyons/ ➡︎ The InFormed Parent with Suzanne Phillips: https://www.youtube.com/@InFormedParent/ ➡︎ UnderCurrent with Gabe Lyons: https://www.youtube.com/@gabe_lyons/ ➡︎ NeuroFaith with Curt Thompson: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/neurofaith-with-curt-thompson-md/id1613240148/
In this episode of Next Up, Grant sits down with pastor Jonny Ardavanis to break down a massive shift happening in ministry: the next generation isn't looking for entertainment they are hungry for truth. Jonny shares his personal journey from wanting to avoid ministry entirely to embracing a rigorous, 10-chapter-a-day Scripture reading plan that radically transformed his life, his walk, and his preaching. If you are trying to reach, lead, or disciple young adults today, this is a necessary reality check on why topical, seeker-sensitive methods are losing their grip on Gen Z, and why letting the text speak for itself is where the real power lies. They Discuss: The Hunger for Depth: Why young adults are moving away from surface-level topical talks and craving real biblical substance. Scripture Interprets Scripture: How to move past hobby-horse preaching to understand the Bible as one cohesive story pointing directly to Jesus. Ditching the Performance: Dropping the pressure to compete with the world for "cool" and stepping into true, conviction-led biblical authority. The Intelligence Gap: Why modern ministry needs to stop underestimating the intelligence of the next generation. Subscribe to Dial In Ministries: https://www.youtube.com/@dialinministries/ Buy Jonny's new book, Get To Work, here: https://a.co/d/0biyb0jW/ MORE RESOURCES: ➡︎ Watch Grant's THINQ talks here: https://thinqmedia.com/speakers/grant-skeldon ➡︎ Create a free THINQ Account and download the THINQ Media app on your smart TV to access more trusted content like this on topics from all channels of culture at: https://thinqmedia.com/ ➡︎ Take our assessment to see how you apply the THINQ Framework to your everyday life: https://thinqmedia.com/assessment/ ➡︎ Attend THINQ events where you can gather with like-minded leaders, ask better questions and have conversations that lead to wisdom: https://events.thinqmedia.com/ ➡︎ Lead a THINQ-guided conversation with your family or small group: https://thinqmedia.com/engage/ ================================================================================= ➡︎ Join us at THINQ Summit 2026 in the heart of Nashville, Tennessee: https://events.thinqmedia.com/summit26 ================================================================================= More from the THINQ Podcast Network: ➡︎ Rhythms for Life with Rebekah and Gabe Lyons: https://www.youtube.com/@rebekah_lyons/ ➡︎ The InFormed Parent with Suzanne Phillips: https://www.youtube.com/@InFormedParent/ ➡︎ UnderCurrent with Gabe Lyons: https://www.youtube.com/@gabe_lyons/ ➡︎ NeuroFaith with Curt Thompson: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/neurofaith-with-curt-thompson-md/id1613240148/
Why are so many young leaders burning out, exhausted, and frankly, a little miserable? In this episode, Grant sits down with pastor, mentor, and author Ray Ortlund to uncover why next-gen Christians so easily fall into the trap of a grim, transactional "pay-as-you-go" faith. Ray breaks down why living with gusto and having a saintly blast isn't a compromise on holiness, but biblical wisdom from Ecclesiastes designed for longevity and resilience. If you've been slogging through ministry under the heavy weight of performance, this conversation is the perspective shift you need to find true rest in the finished work of Christ. In this episode, they talk about: Breaking free from the grim moralistic trap that makes some Christians miserable. Why Jesus' call to "Come to me and rest" is a radical, punk-rock declaration. Handling over-scheduling and learning when to say no to protect your family and health. What it means to budget for sin when you are physically and spiritually depleted. Ray's personal life goals for maintaining deep, 50-year friendships. Letting go of your own self-importance and letting God make your life count. 👉 Get Ray's Book, Eat Drink and Be Merry: https://www.crossway.org/books/eat-drink-and-be-merry-tpb/ 👉 Check out Renewal Ministries: https://renewalministries.com/ 👉 Follow Ray on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/rayortlund/ MORE RESOURCES: ➡︎ Watch Grant's THINQ talks here: https://thinqmedia.com/speakers/grant-skeldon ➡︎ Create a free THINQ Account and download the THINQ Media app on your smart TV to access more trusted content like this on topics from all channels of culture at: https://thinqmedia.com/ ➡︎ Take our assessment to see how you apply the THINQ Framework to your everyday life: https://thinqmedia.com/assessment/ ➡︎ Attend THINQ events where you can gather with like-minded leaders, ask better questions and have conversations that lead to wisdom: https://events.thinqmedia.com/ ➡︎ Lead a THINQ-guided conversation with your family or small group: https://thinqmedia.com/engage/ ================================================================================= ➡︎ Join us at THINQ Summit 2026 in the heart of Nashville, Tennessee: https://events.thinqmedia.com/summit26 ================================================================================= More from the THINQ Podcast Network: ➡︎ Rhythms for Life with Rebekah and Gabe Lyons: https://www.youtube.com/@rebekah_lyons/ ➡︎ The InFormed Parent with Suzanne Phillips: https://www.youtube.com/@InFormedParent/ ➡︎ UnderCurrent with Gabe Lyons: https://www.youtube.com/@gabe_lyons/ ➡︎ NeuroFaith with Curt Thompson: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/neurofaith-with-curt-thompson-md/id1613240148/
In this episode, Grant sits down with pastor and author Matt Chandler to unpack a massive shift happening in youth culture and what it really looks like to lead with prophetic clarity today. Fresh off an incredible move of God at his church, Matt shares why Gen Z and Gen Alpha are craving raw confession and holy transcendence over more comfortable, "cool" churches. They dive into the reality of modern paganism rising in the suburbs, how to navigate the noise of online critics without losing your pastoral edge, and why true spiritual formation looks more like a slow-growing tree than a quick light switch. If you're a young leader trying to figure out how to serve the church faithfully without burning out or compromising, this conversation is a must-watch. In this episode, you'll learn: ✅ Expectation vs. Agenda: Why 5,000 hours of unbroken prayer set the stage for an authentic move of God led by the youngest generations. ✅ The Death of Secularism: How the failure of secular worldviews is driving people toward spiritual power—and why old-school paganism is growing right next door. ✅ Guarding Your Prophetic Edge: Why Matt refuses to let online labels like "woke" or "Christian nationalist" steal his focus from local pastoral ministry. ✅ The Tree and the Light Switch: A refreshing take on sanctification, the pitfalls of modern church metrics, and why we need to return to the wisdom of the church fathers. 👉 Get Matt's Book, Awake and Alive: https://a.co/d/0j3RPSwU/ 👉 Matt's Website: https://www.pastormattchandler.com/ 👉 Matt's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mattchandler74/ 👉 Subscribe to Matt on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PastorMattChandler/ MORE RESOURCES: ➡︎ Watch Grant's THINQ talks here: https://thinqmedia.com/speakers/grant-skeldon ➡︎ Create a free THINQ Account and download the THINQ Media app on your smart TV to access more trusted content like this on topics from all channels of culture at: https://thinqmedia.com/ ➡︎ Take our assessment to see how you apply the THINQ Framework to your everyday life: https://thinqmedia.com/assessment/ ➡︎ Attend THINQ events where you can gather with like-minded leaders, ask better questions and have conversations that lead to wisdom: https://events.thinqmedia.com/ ➡︎ Lead a THINQ-guided conversation with your family or small group: https://thinqmedia.com/engage/ ================================================================================= ➡︎ Join us at THINQ Summit 2026 in the heart of Nashville, Tennessee: https://events.thinqmedia.com/summit26 ================================================================================= More from the THINQ Podcast Network: ➡︎ Rhythms for Life with Rebekah and Gabe Lyons: https://www.youtube.com/@rebekah_lyons/ ➡︎ The InFormed Parent with Suzanne Phillips: https://www.youtube.com/@InFormedParent/ ➡︎ UnderCurrent with Gabe Lyons: https://www.youtube.com/@gabe_lyons/ ➡︎ NeuroFaith with Curt Thompson: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/neurofaith-with-curt-thompson-md/id1613240148/
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Almost every revival has been sparked by hungry, humble young leaders who knew something needed to change. In NextUp, Grant Skeldon helps young leaders narrow their calling and accelerate their mission. Because the stakes are too high. The world needs young leaders to be at their best. NextUp will help you or the young leaders you know get equipped with the helpful frameworks necessary to better form ow you see God, How you view the world, and how you approach God's mission for your life.Tune in today and watch for new episodes every other Thursday. Like, subscribe, share.Have a next gen topic or story for Grant? Want Grant on your show? Reach out at info@thinqmedia.com.
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