Special Edition MOL with Josh Wolfe, Rachel Holt, Scott Belsky, Scott Stanford, and Peter Deng

A very special edition of More or Less, featuring Josh Wolfe (Founder, Lux Capital), Rachel Holt (Founder, Construct Capital; former Head of North America at Uber), Scott Belsky (Partner, A24; Founder, Behance), Scott Stanford (Founder, Acme Capital), and Peter Deng (GP, Felicis; formerly Google, Facebook, Instagram, Uber, Airtable, and OpenAI). Sam takes over hosting duties and assembles an overqualified group of investor friends to argue about where AI goes from here, from agents, Grok, Claude, and the shift from “help me do this” to “just do it,” to trust, data ownership, Apple’s AI advantage, open vs. closed models, model routing, and why proprietary data may become the real moat. They also dig into NVIDIA’s massive compute financing strategy, the risks of securitizing GPUs like long-lived infrastructure, what the OpenAI executive exodus says about the AI talent market, and the bigger question hanging over all of it: if AI really changes work, who actually participates in the upside?Chapters0:00 Episode trailer1:24 Episode start1:59 Meet the panel, every flavor of venture capital5:14 Consumer AI agents cross the Rubicon7:24 The end of websites, when agents talk to agents8:32 Which AI companies do you actually trust?11:41 Why Apple could win AI by doing nothing16:40 If models commoditize, unique data becomes the moat22:15 Open vs. closed AI, and who owns your data27:06 NVIDIA’s balance sheet shenanigans31:26 NVIDIA gets the upside, who gets the risk?34:31 Nobody has ever securitized compute35:02 Who owns the wealth AI creates?39:38 What happens when economic opportunity runs out?42:23 Why OpenAI’s best people keep leaving47:23 Why AI may look more like GPS than Facebook49:14 What actually happened with Airtable50:30 Lightning Round: Rachel Holt on physical-world investing53:00 Scott Belsky on AI watermarks, provenance & deepfakes54:15 Josh Wolfe on socialism, Europe & defense57:15 Final thoughts & sign-offWe’re also on ↓X: https://twitter.com/moreorlesspodInstagram: https://instagram.com/moreorlessSpotify: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/moreorlesspodConnect with us here:1) Sam Lessin: https://x.com/lessin2) Dave Morin: https://x.com/davemorin3) Jessica Lessin: https://x.com/Jessicalessin4) Brit Morin: https://x.com/brit