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Welcome to "Masters of ITAD," a podcast dedicated to exploring the crucial world of ITAD (IT Asset Disposition). Launching in early January 2025, this show champions and supports individuals and companies leading in electronics sustainability, data protection, and environmental standards (R2v3, eStewards, ISO). Join Ryan Mezera as he delves into topics like reuse, recycling, refurbishment, reverse logistics, ALM (Asset Lifecycle Management), eWaste, electronics sustainability, circularity, and the circular economy. The podcast maintains a championing, supportive, and admiring tone, elevating ITAD companies working ethically.
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What does it take to run two ITAD companies at once, and why collect certifications almost nobody else will touch?What do professional golf and IT asset disposition have in common? More than you would think. Before Sarkes Mkrdichian was running warehouses in Scottsdale, he was grinding PGA qualifiers and overseas tours, and it took an ultimatum from his future father in law to bring him home for good. What he built after that choice is one of the most certified ITAD operations in the country.If you work anywhere near ITAD services or electronics recycling, this episode is a straight look at what compliance actually costs and what it actually buys. Sarkes walks through the full timeline from recycler to R2v3 certification, why ISO 27001 is what enterprise clients really ask for, and why he chased ISO 42001, the new AI management systems standard, before almost anyone in the industry knew it existed. He also gets blunt about margins, rev share deals, and where the next decade of IT asset disposition is going.Sarkes Mkrdichian is Managing Partner at Techbros Electronic Recycle in Scottsdale, Arizona, and founded Phoenix Computer Recycle in 2020. He has spent roughly 25 years in the tech world, holds a zero landfill policy he actually enforces, and came to the industry after years of professional golf, an experience he credits for the work ethic behind both companies.Key TakeawaysRunning the certified commercial operation and the residential drop off business as separate companies lets Techbros serve both without carrying audit overhead where the revenue is not there.R2v3 certification took about a year of preparation and another six months between stage one and stage two, the longest haul of any credential Techbros holds.Techbros pursued ISO 42001, the AI management systems standard, because the hardware they process is exactly what companies use to build AI.Compliance certifications increasingly decide which ITAD services providers win enterprise contracts, even when the certificate itself does not generate revenue.Sarkes believes the next decade of ITAD belongs to companies with capital and real systems, and he warns smaller operators to fund growth through a bank instead of private equity.“Is everyone 100%? No. Anyone told you they’re 100%, they’re lying to you.” Sarkes Mkrdichian, Managing Partner, Techbros Electronic Recycle“I would never change what I did. The experiences I had, the people I met, the places I got to go to, the work ethic it built, it all translated right into business at the end of the day.” Sarkes Mkrdichian, Managing Partner, Techbros Electronic RecycleTimestamps00:00 Meet Sarkes Mkrdichian, two ITAD companies at once02:05 The pro golf years and the qualifier grind07:57 Why Phoenix Computer Recycle became its own company11:50 The real R2v3 certification timeline14:36 ISO 42001 and managing the hardware behind AI18:44 Which certification is the biggest grind20:08 ITAM and the next five years of ITAD22:40 Speed round, uncomfortable truths about the industry28:08 Where to connect with SarkesConnect with Sarkes MkrdichianWebsite: https://techbrosaz.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarkesmkrdichian/
Why sounding like every other IT asset disposition company might be the biggest risk in ITAD todayEvery ITAD services company says the same three things. Secure. Sustainable. Maximum recovery value. Tim Suhling has sat inside hundreds of these conversations, and he told me flat out that sounding the same is quietly holding back growth for a lot of IT asset disposition companies who think they are just doing what everyone else does.Private equity is circling ITAD right now, unit economics are getting more competitive, and AI is speeding up the hardware refresh cycle across the entire IT asset disposition industry. Tim has been inside all three of those conversations this year alone, and this episode is a real look at what separates the ITAD companies about to get acquired from the ones about to get left behind.Tim Suhling is President and CEO of Circular Integrity, a growth and marketing consultancy built specifically for ITAD, eWaste, and circular tech businesses. Before that he spent years at Ingram Micro running global sales, marketing, and demand generation for OEMs, ITADs, MSPs, and VARs, so he has seen the ITAD services sales motion from just about every angle there is.Key TakeawaysMost ITAD companies sound identical because they lead with data security and compliance messaging that every competitor already uses, and true differentiation comes from finding a specific, ownable point of view instead.Operational efficiency and revenue growth are not competing priorities, and the ITAD companies pulling ahead are the ones improving both at the same time through a clearly defined ideal customer profile.Only 20 percent of data bearing assets currently receive a second life, which means the addressable market for IT asset disposition and refurbished enterprise IT is still far from fully captured.Private equity is attracted to ITAD because the industry is still largely founder led with low barriers to entry, and outside capital is helping the strongest operators scale past growth ceilings they could not break through alone.The next decade of ITAD will belong to companies that pair strong operations with real capital backing, since fast throughput and access to funding are both becoming deciding factors in who wins the biggest contracts.“I say the worst thing to be is ordinary, and that applies to companies as well.” Tim Suhling, President and CEO, Circular Integrity“The statistic still holds that only 20% of data-bearing assets receive a second life.” Tim Suhling, President and CEO, Circular IntegrityTimestamps00:00 Welcome and introducing Tim Suhling01:10 From coaching youth baseball to running global sales at Ingram Micro02:33 What separates strong ITAD sales organizations from the rest05:10 The ITAD branding problem and the case for standing out07:18 Operations versus sales, and which one actually wins deals09:17 Where ITAD companies confuse revenue growth with real profitability11:20 Unit economics and where ITAD margin actually gets made13:15 Why private equity is circling the ITAD industry right now17:20 The low barriers to entry into ITAD, and why scaling is the harder problem18:29 How AI is speeding up refresh cycles and changing business development22:34 What private equity actually evaluates in an ITAD company25:12 Consolidation, and what happens to smaller regional ITAD players27:19 Speed round, uncomfortable truths, and who wins the next decade of ITADConnect with Tim SuhlingLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/timothysuhling/Website: https://www.circularintegrity.com/
What happens when a college senior project turns into the pricing engine an entire industry did not know it needed?Four engineering students at Cal Poly San Luis Obispo set out to answer one question: what actually happens to electronics once people are done with them. That question led them into ITAD, an industry that has run for decades on gut feel, spreadsheets, and hard won experience. Two years and a $125,000 investment later, that class project is GreenSight Technologies, an AI pricing and grading platform real ITAD operators use every day.Mackenzie Kettwig is co-founder and Chief Product Officer of GreenSight, and they join Ryan Mezera to talk about what actually surprised them building AI for an industry built on relationships and instinct. They are blunt about where AI in ITAD earns its keep and where it does not, why the company built its grading tool on computer vision, and why they thinks AI has become a buzzword that scares off more operators than it helps. They also talk through real resistance GreenSight has met in the field, and why the answer is not replacing the people who already know the business.Mackenzie Kettwig is co-founder and Chief Product Officer of GreenSight Technologies, an AI pricing and grading platform built for the secondary electronics and ITAD market. GreenSight began two years ago as a senior project at Cal Poly San Luis Obispo, when Mackenzie and their co-founders, Jake Daniels, Diego Curiel, and John Ieng, started asking what happens to electronics once people are done with them. That question led them into hundreds of conversations with ITAD operators, recyclers, brokers, and wholesalers, and eventually into a first place win and a $125,000 investment at Cal Poly’s AngelCon competition. As CPO, Mackenzie leads product strategy and spends much of their time talking directly with the people quoting, grading, and routing devices on the floor.Key TakeawaysGreenSight’s core principle is augmenting ITAD operators, not automating them out of the job. The relationships and judgment stay with the people who built them.The platform prices devices using live data from marketplaces including eBay, Amazon, Back Market, and Google Shopping, refreshed daily for volatile categories and weekly for niche ones.Cosmetic grading runs on computer vision built out of co-founder Diego Curiel’s graduate research, scoring devices against a company’s own A through F rules from a few photos.Larger ITAD operators are ahead on data driven strategy, but smaller shops can move faster because they carry less organizational overhead.Mackenzie’s clearest warning for the industry: generic AI tools that do not understand a business’s compliance requirements and client relationships will give confident answers that are simply wrong.“We’re augmenting the work that people are doing. We’re not automating them out of it.” Mackenzie Kettwig, Co-Founder and CPO, GreenSight Technologies“Generic tools that don’t understand your business are going to give you confident answers that are just wrong.” Mackenzie Kettwig, Co-Founder and CPO, GreenSight TechnologiesTimestamps00:00 Meet Mackenzie Kettwig and GreenSight Technologies01:15 San Francisco, Lake Tahoe, and skipping the skis02:35 From a Cal Poly senior project to a funded company04:07 What hundreds of ITAD conversations turned up07:11 What GreenSight actually means by AI pricing08:52 Inside the cosmetic grading tool09:58 Where the pricing data actually comes from14:54 Big players versus small shops on AI adoption16:40 What surprised them two years in19:23 Industry resistance, and where AI earns its keep21:56 Free demos, free trials, and where to find GreenSightConnect with Mackenzie KettwigWebsite: https://www.greensighttech.comLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mackenzie-kettwig-50a4981b7
What happens to your hardware after you're done with it matters more than you think.Most companies treat old IT equipment like trash. Ben Cartwright thinks that is one of the most expensive mistakes in business. And after spending years in China watching how recovered components get reintegrated into manufacturing, he came back with a perspective that most people in IT asset disposition simply do not have.This episode is for anyone who manages enterprise IT hardware and has ever wondered whether there is a smarter way to handle the end of life process. Whether you are running a data center, managing assets for a private equity portfolio, or sourcing refurbished enterprise IT for resale, the conversation around IT asset disposition is changing fast and Ben explains exactly how.Ben Cartwright is a leader at Cirkadis, a company that started in technology manufacturing using repurposed parts in Shenzhen before evolving into a full lifecycle services provider. With roughly a decade in the IT hardware lifecycle space and fluency in Mandarin from years living in Beijing, Ben brings a genuinely different lens to ITAD services, data center hardware resale, and responsible e-waste recycling.Key TakeawaysThe ITAD industry started with dumpster divers and is now evolving into lifecycle strategy.Ben traces how IT asset disposition grew from opportunistic resellers finding value in discarded equipment to sophisticated lifecycle companies that engage on day one of a hardware purchase.The right moment to retire hardware depends on your business model, not a universal rule.Residual value curves are real, but Ben explains that the optimal refresh timing for refurbished enterprise IT assets varies based on financing strategy, depreciation schedules, and how aggressively a company wants to manage its hardware as a financial asset.Market intelligence is what separates lifecycle companies from brokers.Cirkadis monitors secondary markets across the US and Asia in real time, tracking demand and price fluctuations on everything from used Dell servers to Nvidia GPUs coming out of decommissioned data centers.Certifications are a starting point, not a shortcut.Ben argues that any company with a net zero goal should be following the full path of their hardware, not just checking a compliance box. He wants to see more transparency and collaboration between ITAD operators and certifying bodies.The volume of e-waste has passed a tipping point and old solutions will not scale.Ben makes the case that the regulations and standards built around old cable boxes and monitors do not apply cleanly to three-year-old servers or retired Nvidia GPUs, and that the industry needs to differentiate between e-scrap and high-value technology assets.Ben said, "We are past that tipping point, and the old solutions are not going to work anymore."Ben said, "I am an ally of anybody who wants to improve the system, and I will be 100 percent transparent. But what I ask for in return is don't punish me for the transparency. Work with me and let's make the system better."Timestamps00:00 Introduction and welcome01:16 How Ben got into ITAD through language and a Chinese computer broker03:48 Learning Mandarin in Beijing and going all in on a foreign culture04:50 What Cirkadis learned from manufacturing with repurposed parts08:47 What surprises Ben most about what companies discard11:14 How the ITAD industry is shifting toward lifecycle services13:20 Who is furthest ahead in understanding hardware lifecycle value14:46 Residual value curves and how to time hardware retirement16:05 How market intelligence and secondary market data factor in20:23 Nvidia GPUs coming out of data centers21:07 What it means to be a technology company, not a recycling company22:27 PCB recovery R and D and the future of e-waste smelting24:14 Is e-waste volume heading toward a crisis25:57 What every CEO should understand about their old IT hardware27:23 Data security and asset tags still on decommissioned equipment30:44 What responsible recycling really means32:39 Upcoming shows including ITAD Summit and AI4 in Las Vegas34:04 What Ben wants to see change in the ITAD industry40:15 Closing thoughtsConnect with Ben CartwrightWebsite: https://cirkadis.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/benjamin-cartwright-738319121/
What happens to your data when the equipment leaves the building?Here is what I love about Brad Cohen's story. He did not stumble into ITAD. He built his way to it, company by company, deal by deal, over thirty years of figuring out what happens to technology at the end of use. That blind spot, the moment an organization unplugs a device and assumes the data is gone, is exactly where Brad has built his career. And the stakes are higher than most people realize.IT asset disposition is one of the most underestimated risks in enterprise IT. Whether you are a data center manager, an IT reseller, an MSP, or a sustainability officer, the question of what happens to your hardware and the data on it when it is done is not optional anymore. ITAD services, data erasure, and responsible e-waste recycling are not just compliance checkboxes. They are the last line of defense in your cybersecurity posture.Brad Cohen is the CEO of NexTech Partners, one of the country's leading full-service IT lifecycle providers. R2 certified, ISO accredited, and HIPAA compliant, NexTech operates across data destruction, e-waste recycling, ITAD services, and environmental compliance. Brad started his career building SIMOD Corporation from zero to seventy million dollars and one hundred and thirty employees in Jackson, Mississippi, then co-founded Southland, ran a fifty-million-dollar division at Exp@nets, and built the first nationwide IT asset management program at Presidio before launching NexTech in 2009. He became CEO in 2019 and has taken the company past fourteen million in annual revenue.Key TakeawaysR2 certification and ISO accreditation are not just credentials, they are the guardrails that transform a buy-sell operation into a disciplined, professional ITAD services business.Hidden data is a real and underestimated risk, including hard drives inside office printers that store copies of every document ever scanned or printed.The pivot from transactional resale to relationship-based ITAD services took years, cost Brad colleagues and friends, but created a far more defensible and consistent business model.End user sales cycles in IT asset disposition can take up to a year to close, but once you are in, the relationship is sticky and the equipment flow becomes predictable and repeatable.Brad runs a daily stand-up with his entire operations team, reminding them to treat every device as if it contains their own family's information, because that mindset is what separates serious ITAD operators from the rest.Brad Cohen said, "Just because you unplug a computer or any device does not make it safe anymore."Brad Cohen said, "It is the last thing you do from a cybersecurity standpoint before you turn out the lights, and it is absolutely the most important thing."Timestamps00:00 Introduction and Brad Cohen bio01:42 Welcome and early career origins02:05 Building SIMOD Corporation in Jackson, Mississippi04:53 How SIMOD financed its first year without inventory07:16 What Presidio taught Brad about scale and national IT asset management09:58 The pivot from buy-sell-recycle to ITAD services12:52 Why R2 certification and ISO accreditation matter for ITAD partners14:59 HIPAA compliance and the hidden data problem16:37 The law firm printer story and transferring liability18:36 Serving end users, VARs, and MSPs differently19:35 Becoming CEO in 2019 and shifting to a relational sales model22:54 Where the ITAD industry is headed over the next five years24:22 The law enforcement hard drive shredding story25:44 Are clients more sophisticated about data security today26:51 Advice for building a career in ITAD28:46 Upcoming shows and where to connect with BradConnect with Brad CohenNexTech Partners: https://www.nextechpartners.comLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bradcohen
What happens when honesty becomes your competitive advantage in enterprise ITAD.Most people never think about what happens to a company's IT equipment until they absolutely have to. And when they do, the questions get serious fast. Who touches this equipment? Where does it go? What happens to the data? That moment of reckoning is exactly where Chris Maglio lives.This episode matters because ITAD is not just a logistics problem. It is a trust problem. And in an industry where the gap between what gets promised and what gets delivered can be enormous, the way a provider handles accountability is everything. If you are evaluating ITAD partners, managing enterprise IT asset disposition programs, or just trying to understand what responsible IT asset disposition actually looks like from the inside, this conversation is for you.Chris Maglio is Senior Client Success Manager at CentricsIT, a global ITAD leader operating in over 90 countries with 155 secure logistics centers and ISO 9001, 14001, 45001, and R2v3 certifications. He started as an intern at CentricsIT in 2018, worked his way up through project coordination and department management, and has spent years managing large scale ITAD programs for Fortune 500s, financial institutions, and global enterprises. He is also a student of leadership and history, a father of two, and someone who believes that real service is something bigger than a job title.Key TakeawaysTrust is the only currency in ITAD that cannot be recovered once it is lost, and Chris has built his entire career around protecting it.White glove ITAD service is not just about dedicated trucks. It starts at program conception, runs through on site execution, and ends with same day documentation and zero excuses.The ESG conversation in enterprise ITAD is becoming real. CFOs and sustainability officers are now asking for proof of environmental impact reporting, not just asset value recovery.Focusing exclusively on financial recovery from retired IT assets is a short term mindset. The providers who win long term are the ones who specialize in protection, chain of custody, and genuine partnership.The same values Chris teaches his kids, speak the truth, own your mistakes, face problems head on, are the exact values that have defined his professional reputation in ITAD.Chris Maglio said, "Trust is one of the few currencies that you can't get back once it's lost."Chris Maglio said, "Be of stewardship. Take care of some of your clients, take care of your team, and the rest of the things will follow."Timestamps00:00 Introduction and guest bio01:47 How Chris stumbled into ITAD from a steel mill to CentricsIT04:05 The moment ITAD revealed its complexity and meaning05:00 The philosophy: tell the truth, take ownership, face it head on06:46 What a day actually looks like as Senior Client Success Manager08:34 What white glove ITAD service really means10:53 Bridging ITAD and ESG: how real is the conversation with clients13:31 The one thing Chris would fix in the ITAD industry right now16:06 Leadership books shaping how Chris leads today17:25 Fatherhood and how it shows up at work19:00 Advice for anyone entering the ITAD industryConnect with Chris MaglioLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chris-maglioCompany: https://www.centricsit.com
2,200 people, one industry, and a lot of opinions about where IT asset disposition goes next.Every year I walk the floor at the ITAD Summit and come home with a different read on where this industry is heading. This year felt different. Not louder or bigger for the sake of it. Just further along, like IT asset disposition finally knows what it wants to be when it grows up.If you spend your days moving used Dell servers, used Cisco networking equipment, and other refurbished enterprise IT off a data center floor, the ITAD Summit is basically your whole world under one roof. 2,200 people. 26 sessions. 87 speakers. And for the first time, most of what I heard on the floor was not about what one ITAD services company is doing on its own. It was about what the whole IT asset disposition industry is doing, together.That shift is exactly why I wanted Darrell Fleming-Kendall on the show right after the show. Darrell is the Executive Director of the Global ITAD Alliance and one of the people who actually builds the ITAD Summit every year. He has spent more than a decade in ITAD and e-waste recycling, and he was still coming down off the week in Vegas when we recorded this.Key TakeawaysThe ITAD industry spent this year's summit questioning its own name, debating whether a term like end of life still captures everything IT asset disposition and refurbished enterprise IT actually cover today.AI showed up in every one of the 26 sessions at this year's summit, a sharp jump from a handful of mentions the year before, and it now touches everything from data erasure to critical minerals policy.Only about 22 percent of electronic devices currently get put back into the resale stream, which means the AI driven data center buildout is opening real room for growth in data center hardware resale.Live selling is moving into ITAD services the same way it already reshaped ecommerce in China, and Darrell expects it to become a real channel for moving medium value equipment.Keeping critical minerals processing inside the United States will take real investment and regulatory support, and Darrell says the five year timeline everyone quotes only starts once someone actually decides to act.Darrell Fleming-Kendall said, "We're at an inflection point in the industry. The conversation has really evolved from what is my company doing, to what is the industry doing and what is our role within that."Darrell Fleming-Kendall said, "I love to use the metaphor of the pie gets bigger, everybody's piece gets bigger, and we don't have to cannibalize each other's business."Timestamps00:00 Welcome and introducing Darrell Fleming-Kendall01:31 Reflecting on this year's ITAD Summit03:50 The ITAD industry identity crisis07:19 AI's rapid rise across every summit session09:21 The AI data center buildout and the secondary hardware market10:45 Live selling hits the summit floor13:27 Keeping critical minerals processing onshore15:56 GPUs, trade policy and geopolitics18:44 Why relationships still drive the ITAD industry20:56 Growing the Women in ITAD community24:11 The one takeaway from this year's summit26:02 Where to catch Darrell nextConnect with Darrell Fleming-KendallGlobal ITAD Alliance: https://globalitad.org/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/global-itad-allianceITAD Summit: https://www.itadsummit.com/
What happens when a world-class ops builder steps into the ITAD world for the first time?Most people in this industry have been in IT asset disposition their whole careers. Josh Jones walked in nine months ago from the outside and immediately started rewiring how remarketing gets done. That kind of fresh perspective is rare and it is worth paying attention to.This episode matters because ITAD services are evolving fast and the operators who treat remarketing as a real business unit rather than an afterthought are the ones pulling ahead. If you are running a refurbished enterprise IT operation or trying to scale your IT asset disposition practice, the systems thinking Josh brings from global BPO work translates directly to what you are trying to build.Josh Jones is the Chief Technology Remarketing Officer at Securus, where he oversees testing, data erasure, and the resale of refurbished enterprise IT equipment. Before stepping into the ITAD world, he built BPO centers in the Philippines that scaled to over 500 people and delivered more than 6 million dollars in annual cost savings. He has led mergers, redesigned workflows, and built accountability systems inside high compliance environments. Now he is applying all of that to IT asset disposition remarketing at Securus.Key TakeawaysGood operations today is about putting the right systems in place to make people successful, not just hitting output numbers.Being physically on site during BPO training in the Philippines was the difference between real understanding and a room full of yes answers.Securus structures its business into three distinct units including a dedicated remarketing department focused entirely on IT asset disposition, data erasure, and resale of refurbished enterprise IT equipment.The tension between purchasing and operations in ITAD remarketing almost always comes down to whether the material received matches what was anticipated, which is why vendor relationships and R2 grading standards matter so much.AI and robotics will reshape ITAD services within five years, from automated triage and e-commerce listing to 24 hour processing cycles that reduce dependence on manual labor.Josh Jones said, "ITAD gets a wrap of just a trash business or recycling business and there is constant education that hey we do more than just shred and recycle material."Josh Jones said, "I really see a future where e-commerce is really accelerated by AI and your ability to get things listed much more accurately will be primarily done by AI rather than individuals."Timestamps00:00 Welcome and guest introduction01:55 How Josh grew into an operations mindset02:38 First real ops role and early career path03:46 What good operations looked like then versus now05:01 Building and scaling BPO operations in the Philippines07:49 Why being on site changes everything in training08:29 What a Chief Technology Remarketing Officer actually does10:06 Tensions between purchasing and operations in ITAD remarketing12:26 What a good week versus a hard week looks like13:13 The role of e-commerce in IT asset disposition14:56 Data security versus value recovery in refurbished enterprise IT17:54 AI inventory tracking and how it changes the remarketing equation18:50 What people consistently get wrong about ITAD services20:11 First gen AI servers coming out of data centers21:55 The ITAD landscape in five to ten years24:49 Advice for scaling operations in high compliance environments25:37 EOS Traction and the right person right seat framework26:37 Upcoming industry eventsConnect with Josh JonesLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshjonesCompany: https://www.securusitad.com
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