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by Hubspot Media
Kipp Bodnar (HubSpot’s CMO) and Kieran Flanagan (HubSpot's SVP of Marketing), lead you down the rabbit hole of marketing trends, growth tactics and innovation. On the way you’ll pick up undiscovered strategies to give you that slight edge for success. These are not your typical twitter thread regurgitated marketing tactics that everyone is doing. These are new methods, with unfiltered examination of successful fresh ideas.
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- 3 days ago34 min
Zero-Click Marketing: How Founders Win When Google, Social, and LLMs Stop Sending Traffic. A/B: The Post-SEO Playbook.
Free: 15 prompts to keep your brand visible in search https://clickhubspot.com/ikub Ep. 454 Did you know that today, 68% of all Google searches end without a single click? Kipp, Kieran, and guest Amanda Natividad (founder of Zero Click Marketing, and co-author of the forthcoming book, Zero Click Marketing) dive into the era of zero-click marketing, covering how search behavior is changing, what it means for your company’s growth, and what you must do to thrive. Learn more on evolving beyond Google to meet your audience where they are, rethinking the purpose of SEO in a diversified search landscape, and building lasting value by focusing on the right audience—not just more traffic. Mentions Amanda Natividad https://www.linkedin.com/in/amandanat/ Zero Click Marketing https://zeroclickmarketing.co/ Zero Click Marketing (book) https://www.damngravity.com/products/zero-click-marketing SparkToro https://sparktoro.com/ Loop: Outlearn. Outmarket. Outgrow https://www.hubspot.com/loop-marketing-book Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt Resource [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@matgpod Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@marketingatg Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934 We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.
- 5 days ago41 min
How AI Is Empowering One-Person Companies with Dharmesh Shah
[Free guide] build your second brain with AI: https://clickhubspot.com/efeg Ep. 453 Did you know that 86% of all new companies started aren’t expected to hire any employees? Kipp, Kieran, and guest Dharmesh Shah (Founder of HubSpot) dive into the rapidly growing world of one-person businesses and how AI is fueling a new wave of solopreneurs. Learn more on the evolution of the "second brain" for entrepreneurs, how agentic AI harnesses are changing the game, and why rethinking CRMs for solo operators is unlocking new levels of productivity. Mentions Dharmesh Shah https://www.linkedin.com/in/dharmesh/ Loop: Outlearn. Outmarket. Outgrow https://www.hubspot.com/loop-marketing-book YouSpot https://youspot.com/ Agent.ai agent.ai SecondBrain https://youspot.com/about/secondbrain Obsidian https://obsidian.md/ Fable 5.1 https://www.anthropic.com/claude-fable-and-mythos-5-1 Go to YouSpot.com and use code BRAINTHEGRAIN at checkout for the special Marketing Against the Grain price. Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt Resource [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@matgpod Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@marketingatg Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934 We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.
- 1 weeks ago32 min
How IM8 Built a $251M Run-Rate Growth Machine in 20 Months
Free Meta Ad Creative Prompt Pack: https://clickhubspot.com/prgl Ep. 452 Could your company grow to $20M in revenue in just 20 months by focusing 80% of your ad budget on a single channel? Kipp, Kieran, and guest Danny Yeung (CEO and co-founder of IM8) dive into the marketing strategy behind the explosive growth of IM8 and how Meta became their powerhouse for customer acquisition. Learn more on how to master Meta’s platform with creative-first tactics, build a high-performing marketing team for rapid scale, and leverage offline strategies to make your brand unforgettable. Mentions Danny Yeung https://hk.linkedin.com/in/dyeung22 IM8 https://im8health.com/ Prenetics https://www.prenetics.com/ Allianz https://www.allianzlife.com/ Loop: Outlearn. Outmarket. Outgrow https://www.hubspot.com/loop-marketing-book Ask Kipp and Kieran a question! https://form.asana.com/?k=U4n5W_3WC2SkQO1bwK8Xzg&d=8587152060687 Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt Resource [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@matgpod Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@marketingatg Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934 We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.
- 1 weeks ago34 min
The death of the CMO
Ep. 451 Is the CMO role dying? Kipp and Kieran dive into why marketing’s highest seat is under pressure and what founders and marketers should do about it. Learn more on why the expectations for marketing leaders are higher than ever, how the evolution of marketing skills and AI are shaping the talent pipeline, and what strategies companies can use when they can’t find the perfect head of marketing. Mentions Loop: Outlearn. Outmarket. Outgrow https://www.hubspot.com/loop-marketing-book LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/ Ask Kipp and Kieran a question! https://form.asana.com/?k=U4n5W_3WC2SkQO1bwK8Xzg&d=8587152060687 Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt Resource [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@matgpod Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@marketingatg Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934 We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.
- 2 weeks ago38 min
Turn Every Comment Into a Lead - Automate DMs with Claude
Turn social comments into leads with Claude + Blotato: https://clickhubspot.com/rkhv Ep. 450 How can one Reel drive $120,000 in annual recurring revenue for your business? Kipp, and guest Sabrina Ramonov of Blotato dive into how high-performing social content and automated DMs can be seamlessly converted into real revenue and loyal customers. Learn more on building viral social funnels, the power of DM automation for lead capture and monetization, and why treating short-form video as advertising for your long-form brand is the ultimate growth strategy. Mentions Sabrina Ramonov https://www.youtube.com/@sabrina_ramonov Blotato https://www.blotato.com/ Loop: Outlearn. Outmarket. Outgrow https://www.hubspot.com/loop-marketing-book Claude https://claude.ai/ ChatGPT https://chatgpt.com/ Ask Kipp and Kieran a question! https://form.asana.com/?k=U4n5W_3WC2SkQO1bwK8Xzg&d=8587152060687 Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt Resource [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@matgpod Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@marketingatg Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934 We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.
- 2 weeks ago33 min
Using Codex to build a Research Dashboard/System
*Build your AI Research Desk in Codex:* https://clickhubspot.com/inyh Ep. 449 Is informational content on the internet dead? Kipp, Kieran, and guest Matt Wolfe (Future Tools) dive into how you can reclaim hours each week by automating newsletter reading, brand mentions, and industry news updates with your own personal AI system. Learn more on building a custom info dashboard with AI agents, the future of media consumption and creator-business relationships, and how you can leverage open-source tools to create a second brain for your work and life. Mentions Loop: Outlearn. Outmarket. Outgrow https://www.hubspot.com/loop-marketing-book GitHub https://github.com/ Gemini Omni 1.1 Flash https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/technology/developers-tools/build-with-gemini-omni-1-1-flash/ Codex https://chatgpt.com/codex/ Claude https://claude.ai/ Obsidian https://obsidian.md/ Ask Kipp and Kieran a question! https://form.asana.com/?k=U4n5W_3WC2SkQO1bwK8Xzg&d=8587152060687 Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt Resource [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@matgpod Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@marketingatg Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934 We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.
- 3 weeks ago22 min
Can one AI system do the job of an entire marketing team
Build your AI marketing department with this Claude skill: https://clickhubspot.com/uyon Ep. 448 Can you really fire your entire marketing team and replace them with AI? Kieran dives into the reality behind agentic marketing systems by putting an AI-powered marketing “team” to the test for a fast-growth AI company. Learn more on how AI audits and rewrites website copy, tackles product positioning, competes in search and LLMs, and whether these emerging systems can actually outperform the average marketer or just generate average results. Mentions Loop: Outlearn. Outmarket. Outgrow https://www.hubspot.com/loop-marketing-book Claude https://claude.ai/login ChatGPT https://chatgpt.com/ Ramp https://ramp.com/ One Mind https://onemind.org/ Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt Resource [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@matgpod Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@marketingatg Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934 We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.
- 3 weeks ago39 min
How to Stop AI from Killing Your Critical Thinking w/ David Epstein
Most marketers have AI in the wrong order. Tool first, brain second. David Epstein, the #1 New York Times bestselling author of Range, explains why that order is quietly making your work worse, and gives Kipp the one rule that flips it.David's new book, Inside the Box, argues that constraints are what make people and companies better. Kipp puts that to the test against the reality of marketing in 2026: infinite tools, infinite output, and a growing pile of AI slop nobody reads. What follows is a set of exercises real teams use to think before they build: write the press release first, prototype the box before the product, ask "if we had half the budget, how would we do it," run a subtraction audit every quarter, and treat AI as the second step, never the first. WHAT WE COVER:→ Why "think fast, act slow" is the pattern behind most failed projects (16,000 of them)→ How Pixar keeps directors in story development for years, on purpose→ Tony Fadell's rule: write the press release at the start, not the end→ The Nest box test: if it doesn't fit on the box, it's not a priority→ Why the internet stripped marketing of its healthy constraints→ Getting the pain up front so it doesn't cost you 10x later→ Nobody wants a drill, they want a hole (and AI is a broom with a laser pointer)→ The feature-dump epidemic and why simplicity wins in a world of abundance→ Why everyone assumes you already know what they know→ Explore vs exploit: how Range and Inside the Box fit together→ What to say to a team that says "we're not resourced for this"→ How NASA found water on the Moon with half the budget→ Why Amazon forces frugality on people with unlimited money→ Brooks' Law: adding people to a late project makes it later→ The legacy constraint: "if we were going out of business in two years"→ Kipp's reboot question (teams would stop 80% of what they do)→ Sunk cost, design freeze, and the featuritis that sank US shipbuilding→ HipChat vs Slack and the difference between sunk cost and opportunity cost→ How David actually uses AI (and why he doesn't write with it)→ AI is GPS for your brain: the early research on AI and learning→ Brain first, tool second: the rule that stops AI slop→ What an "AI slob" is and how to know if you're one→ The subtraction audit: cut one thing every quarter Host: Kipp BodnarGuest: David Epstein, author of Range, The Sports Gene, and Inside the Box: How Constraints Make Us Better https://davidepstein.com/ David Epstein | The Books: Range & The Sports Gene "Range: Why Generalists Triumph in a Specialized World" and "The Sports Gene" is composed by David Epstein. "The Sports Gene" has been translated in 21 languages. Free: build a Claude-powered content engine https://clickhubspot.com/mslboffers.hubspot.com Marketing Against The Grain | The Founder Ghostwriter System A complete Claude skill that turns insights into publish-ready content — built by a one-person agency that 5x'd its business using it. We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@matgpod Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@marketingatg Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934 We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.
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