Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth

This CPO regrets that product management exists | Tom Verrilli (CPO of Whatnot)

August 2, 2026·1h 24m·6-min readinterviewtechnology
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Tom Verrilli, chief product officer at Whatnot and former CPO at Twitch, argues that the modern specialization of product management has often infantilized engineers and designers by removing their decision-making responsibilities. He advocates for a return to leaner teams where PMs are dep

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Tom Verrilli

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Tom VerrilliLenny Rachitsky

Books

The Hard Thing About Hard Thingsby Ben HorowitzThe Purpose Driven Churchby Rick Warren

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WhatnotTwitchTwitter

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Hex

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Artificial IntelligenceFuture Of WorkLeadershipProduct ManagementSoftware EngineeringStartupsTech Industry

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