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Why cultivating agency matters more than cultivating skills in the AI era | Max Schoening (Head of Product, Notion)

May 3, 2026·1h 27m·9-min readinterviewtechnology
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Max Schoening, head of product at Notion and a veteran product leader from GitHub and Heroku, argues that the most important shift in the AI era isn't just technical—it's psychological. The key differentiator is agency: the belief that you can change the world around you, not just adapt to

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Max Schoening

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Max SchoeningLenny Rachitsky

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Codeby Charles Petzold

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NotionGitHubHeroku

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FigmaGhostty

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Seeing Like a Stateby James C. Scott

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Artificial IntelligenceFuture Of WorkLeadershipProduct ManagementSoftware EngineeringStartups

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