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Afua Hirsch and Peter Frankopan tell the wild stories of some of the most extraordinary men and women ever to have lived – and ask whether they have the rep they deserve. Should Nina Simone’s role in the civil rights movement be more celebrated than it is? When you find out what Picasso got up to in his studio, can you still admire his art? Was Napoleon a hero or a tyrant - or both? (And, while we’re at it, was he even short?) Legacy is the show that looks at big lives from the perspective of now – and doesn’t always like what it sees.
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- Yesterday40 min
1776 | The Legacy For Our Culture | 1
Why did African Americans spend a century celebrating the Fifth of July instead of the Fourth? Why did a sitting US president personally try to end a journalist's career over one newspaper series? And two hundred and fifty years on, why can't America agree on what its founding document actually means?A 250-year-old promise of equality collides with slavery, revolution and a modern-day tenure battle as Afua and Peter close out their Declaration of Independence series.[1:28] Fifty-six men sign in Philadelphia — many of them slave owners writing "all men are created equal"[8:07] Lafayette's regret: "I would never have drawn my sword..."[11:42] Why a Virginia senator can't stomach Bolívar's revolution[15:20] Why Black Americans spent a century celebrating the Fifth of July instead[17:27] Frederick Douglass asks the question that still stings: "What to the slave is the Fourth of July?"[18:53] The project that says America was really founded in 1619[28:55] A sitting president personally tries to take the story down[30:54] She wins a Pulitzer. Her university refuses her tenure anyway.Join Legacy Plus for bonus episodes, early access, Q&A's, fewer adverts and more.legacy.supportingcast.fmStay connected with Legacy:Instagram: @originallegacypodcastTikTok: @legacy_productionsExplore more from Peter and Afua — essays, sources, and ideas:Substack: peterfrankopan.substack.com | afuahirsch.substack.comJoin Legacy+ for bonus episodes, early access, Q&A's, fewer adverts and more.legacy.supportingcast.fmStay connected with Legacy:Instagram: @originallegacypodcastTikTok: @legacy_productionsExplore more from Peter and Afua — essays, sources, and ideas: Substack: peterfrankopan.substack.com | afuahirsch.substack.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
- 6 days ago36 min
1776 | The Women Washington Could Never Catch | 2
Who really built American freedom — and why does the answer make so many people so uncomfortable? What happens when an enslaved woman takes the Declaration of Independence more seriously than the man who wrote it? And, when the President of the United States turns the full machinery of government against one young Black woman — why can't he catch her?Belinda Sutton petitioned a court for fifty years of unpaid wages and won. Ona Judge walked out of the President's house while George Washington ate his dinner, and spent the rest of her life free. The founding story you were taught left both of them out entirely.[0:00] The founding myth and its glaring blind spot[3:00] Belinda Sutton — kidnapped at 12, enslaved for 50 years, and why she still fought back[7:50] The petition that became one of the earliest demands for reparations in American history[12:00] John Hancock signs off — and why the estate still refuses to pay[17:00] How Belinda's story spread and why Ta-Nehisi Coates and Harvard both came calling[19:30] Ona Judge — Washington's secret system for keeping his household enslaved in Pennsylvania[24:00] The night she walked out while the President ate dinner[27:30] Washington weaponises the federal government to hunt her down[31:00] She negotiates with the President — and he blinks first[34:00] "I am free" — Ona Judge's answer, fifty years later, says everythingJoin Legacy Plus for bonus episodes, early access, Q&A's, fewer adverts and more.legacy.supportingcast.fmStay connected with Legacy:Instagram: @originallegacypodcastTikTok: @legacy_productionsExplore more from Peter and Afua — essays, sources, and ideas:Substack: peterfrankopan.substack.com | afuahirsch.substack.comJoin Legacy+ for bonus episodes, early access, Q&A's, fewer adverts and more.legacy.supportingcast.fmStay connected with Legacy:Instagram: @originallegacypodcastTikTok: @legacy_productionsExplore more from Peter and Afua — essays, sources, and ideas: Substack: peterfrankopan.substack.com | afuahirsch.substack.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
- 1 weeks ago34 min
1776 | The Founding Mothers | 1
The Declaration of Independence said all men are created equal. But what did that mean to the women who heard those words and knew they were being lied to? Who were the women the founding fathers never mentioned — and what did they do about it? And, if America was founded on the idea of freedom, why did it take another century — and a civil war — to even begin to make good on that promise? Afua and Peter turn the founding of America upside down, telling the story of 1776 through the women the Declaration forgot: a teenage poet who became the first Black woman in history to publish a book of poetry in English, and an enslaved woman who walked into a lawyer's office and used the Constitution to abolish slavery in Massachusetts. The Declaration of Independence is about to turn 250 — but whose freedom was it really for? Legacy Plus — bonus episodes, early access, and fewer ads 2:00 Why enslaved Americans didn't wait to be freed — they were already fighting Lord Dunmore's proclamation and the moment thousands of Black men chose their side Phillis Wheatley: kidnapped at seven, named after the slave ship that took her From chalk letters on a wall to mastering Greek — the making of a prodigy The court case where she had to prove she wrote her own poems Sent to London as pro-slavery propaganda — and why it spectacularly backfired Published in London, ignored in Boston: the first Black woman to publish poetry in English The poem she sent to George Washington — and why he actually wrote back They met in Cambridge in 1776: the Virginia enslaver and the young woman he couldn't ignore How post-revolutionary America still wouldn't publish her — and how she built a subscription model 250 years before Substack She reached Washington, Jefferson, Thomas Paine — and died at 30 in a boarding house Elizabeth Freeman: the woman who heard the Declaration read aloud and walked straight to a lawyer "Where's my freedom?" — the most direct question anyone asked of the founding fathers The iron-shaped scar she refused to hide — and how she weaponised it Bett v Ashley: the case that abolished slavery in Massachusetts(31:36 She wins not just her freedom but freedom for every enslaved person in the state — then changes her name to Elizabeth FreemanJoin Legacy Plus for bonus episodes, early access, Q&A's, fewer adverts and more.legacy.supportingcast.fm Instagram: @originallegacypodcastTikTok: @legacy_productionsSubstack: peterfrankopan.substack.com | afuahirsch.substack.comJoin Legacy+ for bonus episodes, early access, Q&A's, fewer adverts and more.legacy.supportingcast.fmStay connected with Legacy:Instagram: @originallegacypodcastTikTok: @legacy_productionsExplore more from Peter and Afua — essays, sources, and ideas: Substack: peterfrankopan.substack.com | afuahirsch.substack.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
- 1 weeks ago36 min
Declaration of Independence | The Brand | 2
Who wrote "all men are created equal" — and then went home to more than 180 enslaved people? What does a document actually mean when it excludes women, Indigenous peoples, and one in five of the very population it claims to liberate? And, was the Declaration of Independence a genuine statement of universal human rights — or the most successful rebranding exercise in political history?Peter and Afua tear apart the Declaration of Independence: who wrote it, what it actually meant, what was left out on purpose, and why its contradictions still define America 250 years on. "All men are created equal" — by men who didn't believe it Britain vs the colonies: mistrust, miscalculation, and the slide into war Lexington, Concord, and the shot heard around the world Lord Dunmore's offer: freedom to the enslaved — and the colonists' outrage Thomas Paine's Common Sense and the power of simple ideas John Hancock signs big and invents a new word for "signature" After independence: debt, fragility, and the problems victory didn't solve How the revolution accidentally redirected the British EmpireJoin Legacy Plus for bonus episodes, early access, Q&A's, fewer adverts and more. legacy.supportingcast.fmStay connected with Legacy: Instagram: @originallegacypodcast TikTok: @legacy_productions Explore more from Peter and Afua — essays, sources, and ideas: Substack: peterfrankopan.substack.com | afuahirsch.substack.comJoin Legacy+ for bonus episodes, early access, Q&A's, fewer adverts and more.legacy.supportingcast.fmStay connected with Legacy:Instagram: @originallegacypodcastTikTok: @legacy_productionsExplore more from Peter and Afua — essays, sources, and ideas: Substack: peterfrankopan.substack.com | afuahirsch.substack.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
- 2 weeks ago40 min
Declaration of Independence | Follow The Money | 1
What if the Boston Tea Party had less to do with liberty and more to do with a smuggler protecting his profit margins? What if hurricanes tearing through the Caribbean helped light the fuse of revolution? And, what if the men who gave birth to America were not visionary idealists but wealthy merchants who had simply run out of patience with British trade restrictions?Peter and Afua pull back the curtain on the financial machinery behind American independence — the Caribbean slave economy, the smuggling networks, the Bengal famine, and the merchants who dressed their self-interest in the language of liberty. It wasn't about democracy. It was about who controlled the money Britain's debt doubles after the Seven Years' War — and someone has to pay for it The colonists were richer, taller, and paid less tax than anyone in Britain Tea, empire, and why the whole system was built on piracy The Boston Tea Party: orderly political theatre and a £10,000 act of destruction The Boston Massacre and the propaganda machine that turned it into a rallying cry The Caribbean cash machine — and how hurricanes made colonial merchants very rich John Hancock: celebrated patriot, and according to British customs officials, the head of a massive smuggling operation The first Continental Congress: protecting constitutional rights — and profit margins The Bengal famine, 10 million dead, and why it became a weapon against British imperialism Neither side wanted war — and that's exactly how they stumbled into oneJoin Legacy Plus for bonus episodes, early access, Q&A's, fewer adverts and more.legacy.supportingcast.fmStay connected with Legacy:Instagram: @originallegacypodcastTikTok: @legacy_productionsExplore more from Peter and Afua — essays, sources, and ideas:Substack: peterfrankopan.substack.com | afuahirsch.substack.comJoin Legacy+ for bonus episodes, early access, Q&A's, fewer adverts and more.legacy.supportingcast.fmStay connected with Legacy:Instagram: @originallegacypodcastTikTok: @legacy_productionsExplore more from Peter and Afua — essays, sources, and ideas: Substack: peterfrankopan.substack.com | afuahirsch.substack.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
- 2 weeks ago42 min
Founding Fathers | Saints and Sinners | 4
Was Alexander Hamilton the real architect of American capitalism — or just the most self-destructive genius in the room? What does it mean that the man who shaped the nation's finances spent his career surrounded by an economy built on enslaved labour he understood firsthand? And, if the founding fathers were so brilliant, why is America still fighting about what they actually built?Peter and Afua peel back the marble on two of the most mythologised men in history: Hamilton, the penniless Caribbean immigrant who survived a hurricane, built the American financial machine, and then blew up his own career with a 95-page confession; and Washington, the slave-owning Virginia planter who became the face of liberty — and knew exactly when to put the power down.0:00 Hamilton, Washington, and the show that won't let the founders off the hook 1:48 The Caribbean origins of Alexander Hamilton — and what Nevis reveals about colonial violence 5:30 How working at the epicentre of the Atlantic slave economy shaped Hamilton's political thinking 9:10 The outsider who doubled down: Hamilton's ambition, his tongue, and why people feared him 11:36 The Reynolds affair — confessing adultery to defeat a corruption charge 15:50 What Hamilton brought to the revolution that none of the others could 20:10 George Washington: the Virginia planter who had to learn how to be a gentleman 24:00 How marrying Martha Custis transformed Washington's wealth and status overnight 26:40 The land grab Britain tried to block — and why it radicalized Washington 30:30 The fragile coalition: Franklin's joke, the hanging rope, and what really held them together 35:00 Washington's genius was knowing what not to do — and when to walk away 38:40 The American dream was built on free labour — and the dishonesty that disguised itJoin Legacy Plus for bonus episodes, early access, Q&A's, fewer adverts and more. legacy.supportingcast.fmStay connected with Legacy: Instagram: @originallegacypodcast TikTok: @legacy_productions Explore more from Peter and Afua — essays, sources, and ideas: Substack: peterfrankopan.substack.com | afuahirsch.substack.comJoin Legacy+ for bonus episodes, early access, Q&A's, fewer adverts and more.legacy.supportingcast.fmStay connected with Legacy:Instagram: @originallegacypodcastTikTok: @legacy_productionsExplore more from Peter and Afua — essays, sources, and ideas: Substack: peterfrankopan.substack.com | afuahirsch.substack.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
- 3 weeks ago40 min
Founding Fathers | The Original Brexit | 3
Who was the boring lawyer who quietly built the machine that made America work? Was John Adams so relentlessly right that even his allies couldn't stand him? And, how did the man who wrote the most beautiful words on human equality spend decades owning the woman who bore his children?Peter and Afua tear into the contradictions of 1776 — the forgotten architect, the honest man nobody liked, and the wordsmith whose legacy history has never quite known what to do with.0:00 The original Brexit: what 1776 really was 6:00 John Jay — the unsung hero who built the legal framework of a nation 11:00 The Federalist Papers and the Roman Republic obsession 14:00 Jay's reluctant revolution: the man who wanted reconciliation 16:00 Enter Thomas Jefferson: plantation privilege and the Declaration of Independence 18:30 Jefferson at his desk — and the enslaved people outside the window 21:00 Martha, Sally Hemings, and the relationship history tried to bury 25:00 John Adams: the honest man too competent for his own good 31:00 Rome's collapse, checks and balances, and why they feared what they were building 36:00 Jefferson gave the revolution its language, Jay its structure, Adams its urgencyJoin Legacy Plus for bonus episodes, early access, Q&A's, fewer adverts and more. legacy.supportingcast.fmStay connected with Legacy: Instagram: @originallegacypodcast TikTok: @legacy_productions Explore more from Peter and Afua — essays, sources, and ideas: Substack: peterfrankopan.substack.com | afuahirsch.substack.comJoin Legacy+ for bonus episodes, early access, Q&A's, fewer adverts and more.legacy.supportingcast.fmStay connected with Legacy:Instagram: @originallegacypodcastTikTok: @legacy_productionsExplore more from Peter and Afua — essays, sources, and ideas: Substack: peterfrankopan.substack.com | afuahirsch.substack.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
- 3 weeks ago34 min
The Founding Fathers | The O.G.'s | 2
What turned America's most famous British loyalist into its most dangerous revolutionary? What does a public humiliation in a Whitehall chamber have to do with the Declaration of Independence? And, if the man who designed the American constitution believed men were angels, would he have bothered?Peter and Afua trace how a candle-maker's son who pulled lightning from the sky and a sickly scholar obsessed with the fall of Rome built the architecture of the most powerful republic in history.0:00 Franklin: the 18th century's global multimedia superstar6:10 Poor Richard's Almanac and the art of building a platform from scratch9:45 From kite and key to the Royal Society — Franklin's lightning moment13:20 A proud Briton in London: the comfortable life that couldn't last16:00 The Hutchinson letters, a Whitehall ambush, and an hour of public savaging18:30 The moment Franklin stopped thinking of himself as British21:00 Enter James Madison: the smallest man in public life and the biggest thinker24:30 Two thousand years of history as a laboratory of political failure28:00 Taxation without representation, the Intolerable Acts, and the radicalisation of Madison31:30 'If men were angels, no government would be necessary'Join Legacy Plus for bonus episodes, early access, Q&A's, fewer adverts and more.legacy.supportingcast.fmStay connected with Legacy: Instagram: @originallegacypodcast TikTok: @legacy_productions Explore more from Peter and Afua — essays, sources, and ideas: Substack: peterfrankopan.substack.com | afuahirsch.substack.comJoin Legacy+ for bonus episodes, early access, Q&A's, fewer adverts and more.legacy.supportingcast.fmStay connected with Legacy:Instagram: @originallegacypodcastTikTok: @legacy_productionsExplore more from Peter and Afua — essays, sources, and ideas: Substack: peterfrankopan.substack.com | afuahirsch.substack.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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