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Welcome to Beyond The Couch! Melissa and Susan dive into real conversations on mental health, healing, and the challenges of everyday life. Join us here twice a month as we explore what it means to live fully, feel deeply, and grow intentionally. Whether you’re new to therapy or a seasoned pro, we’re here to help you go beyond the couch. Subscribe now and let’s start healing together.
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- 1 weeks ago45 min
Medicine Is a Tool. Connection Is the Work.
Vanessa Payne is a psychiatric nurse practitioner, and the moment she knew what she wanted to do with her life happened on a medical surgical floor, sitting with a patient nobody came to visit. She talks with Susan and Melissa about what that taught her, why she thinks of medication as one tool rather than the answer, and why she is drawn to the hardest early days of recovery when most people would rather be anywhere else. There is real warmth here about harm reduction and what it means to count the progress a person actually makes instead of the progress you wanted them to make. Vanessa also shares her own experience as a cancer survivor and what it took to keep hoping for an ordinary life in the middle of it.The thoughts and opinions shared by our guests are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of Grove: A Healing Collective. We bring people on because their perspective is worth hearing, not because we agree with every part of it.Remember that listening to this podcast is not therapy. It might be therapeutic, but it isn't a replacement for good mental health treatment. We can help with getting you connected with a good therapist. Check out our website. Grove: A Healing Collective
- 3 weeks ago40 min
Why the Explanation Arrives So Late
A lot of people reach adulthood without ever having been asked the right question about themselves. Susan and Melissa talk about neurodivergence and why so many people, especially women, people of color, and anyone who learned early that being good was the safest thing to be, went undiagnosed for decades while quietly doing an enormous amount of work to look like everyone else. They get into what masking costs, why it tends to stop working somewhere in adulthood, and why the moment of recognition so often comes with tears that are not only relief. There is also an honest look at how hard formal evaluation actually is to get, and what you can start doing for yourself long before anyone hands you a piece of paper. Susan shares her own late ADHD diagnosis along the way.Remember that listening to this podcast is not therapy. It might be therapeutic, but it isn't a replacement for good mental health treatment. We can help with getting you connected with a good therapist. Check out our website. Grove: A Healing Collective
- Sep 30, 202651 min
When the Label Isn't the Cause
Dr. Jason Clapton and Heidi Clapton have spent decades looking underneath the behavior that gets a child labeled. He is a developmental optometrist with a fellowship in pediatrics and brain injury; she is an occupational therapist, and between them they have built a practice around a single stubborn idea, which is that the thing you can see is rarely the thing causing it. They talk about why so much of what gets called ADHD or dyslexia turns out to be eyes that will not track, ears that will not keep pace, or a balance system that was never given what it needed. There is practical material here for any parent, including what movement actually does to a nervous system and why a child who cannot sit still is usually telling the truth. They also make the case for teaching first responders to recognize fear when it shows up looking like defiance. The thoughts and opinions shared by our guests are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of Grove: A Healing Collective. We bring people on because their perspective is worth hearing, not because we agree with every part of it. Remember that listening to this podcast is not therapy. It might be therapeutic, but it isn't a replacement for good mental health treatment. We can help with getting you connected with a good therapist. Check out our website. Grove: A Healing Collective
- Sep 15, 202643 min
Leaving the Door Cracked
Almost everyone has someone in their life they wish would get help. Susan and Melissa take on the hard version of that problem: what you can actually do when the person struggling is an adult who has not asked for anything. They talk through why people refuse support far more often than they admit, why fear of judgment and the cost to a job, a license, or a family is usually underneath it, and what separates an invitation someone can accept from pressure they have to defend against. There is also honest talk about what happens after, including the question most of us ask with the best intentions that lands as supervision instead of care, and what it looks like to hold a boundary with someone you love without closing the door on them. Remember that listening to this podcast is not therapy. It might be therapeutic, but it isn't a replacement for good mental health treatment. We can help with getting you connected with a good therapist. Check out our website. Grove: A Healing Collective
- Aug 31, 20261h 0m
What We Mean When We Say We Don't Communicate
Ask most couples what is wrong and you will hear the same three words: we don't communicate. But what if that is almost never the real problem? Melissa and Susan sit down with fellow therapist Christina, who works largely with couples, to unpack what people actually mean when they say communication has broken down, why even silence is its own kind of message, and how being understood is a different skill than simply speaking. Along the way they talk about staying human in the therapy room, knowing when to send someone to the right person, and why no one is meant to help everyone. Remember that listening to this podcast is not therapy. It might be therapeutic, but it isn't a replacement for good mental health treatment. We can help with getting you connected with a good therapist. Check out our website. Grove: A Healing Collective
- Aug 15, 202643 min
You Were Never Meant to Carry All of It
Some days the world hands us more than we ever agreed to carry. The constant stream of news and noise can leave us drained and flattened without our quite knowing why. Melissa and Susan sit down to talk about what all that information does to a nervous system that was never built to hold it, why staying endlessly informed is not the same as being well, and how small, honest boundaries around what we take in can help us feel like ourselves again. It is a warm, practical conversation about staying grounded when everything feels heavy. Remember that listening to this podcast is not therapy. It might be therapeutic, but it isn't a replacement for good mental health treatment. We can help with getting you connected with a good therapist. Check out our website. Grove: A Healing Collective
- Jul 31, 202645 min
Learning Right Beside Them
Before her first official day at Grove, Kendall Deaver sits down with Susan to talk about the three and a half years she spent in residential treatment and what that work asked of her. Reaching young men who had been handed off between adults their whole lives meant giving up the idea that she needed to arrive with answers. Along the way, a belief she had absorbed growing up, that people are not trustworthy and guardedness keeps you safe, quietly came apart. There is a conversation here about what actually builds trust between two people, and it has far less to do with training and credentials than most of us expect. Kendall also shares the children's book she reads to her daughter that says it better than most clinical language can. Remember that listening to this podcast is not therapy. It might be therapeutic, but it isn't a replacement for good mental health treatment. We can help with getting you connected with a good therapist. Check out our website. Grove: A Healing Collective
- Jul 15, 202646 min
The Long Way Back to the Work You're Meant For
Some people know at twelve that they want to be a counselor. Diana took the long way, starting in music and songwriting before a class in disguise, a chance conversation, and a feeling that kept resurfacing led her back to the work she was meant for. In this warm conversation, Melissa sits down with Diana, a former Grove intern stepping into a new chapter on the team, to talk about the winding road into counseling and what it taught her. They get into the myth that creative people have to suffer, the way music and therapy speak to the same part of us, and why healing so rarely looks like just sitting and talking. It is a conversation about paying attention to what keeps calling you back, and about the many doors that lead toward getting well. Remember that listening to this podcast is not therapy. It might be therapeutic, but it isn't a replacement for good mental health treatment. We can help with getting you connected with a good therapist. Check out our website. Grove: A Healing Collective
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