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Semaglutide, sold as Ozempic and Wegovy, and tirzepatide, sold as Zepbound and Mounjaro, are new weight loss drugs that actually work, helping millions around the world to feel better and become healthier. But some people are fearful of side effects, such as loss of muscle mass. Are their fears warranted?To find out, Marty and Stu talk to the two University of Kansas weight loss scientists, Renee Rogers and ACSM president-elect John Jakicic, who are leading a clinical trial investigating the way aerobic and resistance training can affect the muscle mass of people who are on GLP-1s, or the other new weight loss drugs.In this episode we discuss:—the latest findings on how GLP-1s affect muscle mass—the difference between lean mass and muscle mass—the research that Jakicic and Rogers are doing into GLP-1s, weight loss and muscle mass—we provide guidance on whether people should be concerned about GLP-1s and muscle mass—we also provide pointers on how to minimize muscle loss while on GLP-1sPlus, Renee and John answer a listener question about whether the new weight loss drugs affect men and women differently.Have a listener question or an idea for a future episode? Email us at realexercisescience@gmail.comExercise Science is powered by EverMe, the longevity intelligence app. Exercise Science listeners get a free two-month trial to EverMe at this link. You can also download EverMe for free at your favourite app store.LINKSFollow or subscribe at your favourite platform @realexercisescience: Substack. YouTube. TikTok. Instagram. Apple Podcasts. Spotify. On X you can find us @realexscience.Stu is everywhere, too, but mostly on Instagram and X. Follow him on TikTok too!Marty just started his own Instagram. Give him a follow! He’s also on X!Exercise Science is produced by Ghost Bureau, the Toronto content agency.EPISODE LINKSNew York Times: They Hated Exercise. Weight Loss Drugs Changed Everything.Renee Rogers and John Jakicic’s clinical trial: Muscle and Movement With Anti-Obesity Medications (M3)A paper by John Jakicic and Renee Rogers advocating for a prescription of exercise along with obesity medication in obesity treatment: The Role of Exercise in the Contemporary Era of Obesity Management Medications - ACSM-CSMRJakicic led, and Rogers coauthored, the largest targeted NIH investment of funds into the mechanisms of how physical activity improves health and prevents disease. Study website. Article from the Journal of Applied Physiology: Molecular Transducers of Physical Activity Consortium (MoTrPAC): human studies design and protocolAnalysis: Preserving muscle mass on GLP-1 weight loss drugs: Big Deal or Nothing to Worry About? By Stuart PhillipsDISCUSSION POINTS00:00 Cold open01:29 Muscle mass and GLP-1s04:19 Introducing Renee and John06:19 GLP-1 context07:50 How GLP-1s work10:50 More than GLP-1s12:44 Body composition & weight loss15:00 Lean tissue is not muscle16:50 Overblown fears18:55 Muscle moment20:39 R01 study described23:15 Early re