Two Middle Powers. One AI Bet

Live from ALL IN 2026 in Montreal, John Stackhouse and Nora Bieberstein sit down with three German business leaders — Yvonne Denz of the Canadian German Chamber of Industry and Commerce, Robert Jozic of Schwarz Digits, and Dr. Ralf Wintergerst of Giesecke+Devrient — as Germany serves as ALL IN's Country of Honour. Recorded the same week Canada and Germany backed Yoshua Bengio's AI safety lab LawZero and built on last year's Digital Alliance, they discuss why Schwarz backed the Cohere-Aleph Alpha merger and what a deeper Canada-Germany tech partnership could mean for both economies.Chapters:0:00 Intro — live from ALL IN Montreal0:41 Co-host Nora Bieberstein joins1:20 Yvonne Denz on Germany's delegation to Canada2:02 Inside the industrial AI panel with BSF3:29 Making the case for Canada-Germany business5:36 Robert Jozic on scaling sovereign AI at Schwarz Digits6:19 Middle powers vs. the tech hegemons8:54 The Cohere-Aleph Alpha deal, on the record10:12 What Germany offers Canada11:45 Dr. Ralf Wintergerst on Germany's AI ambitions13:19 Combining Canada's AI research with Germany's industrial base14:27 The "third moment" in global AI15:32 What Canada offers Germany16:38 Building the digital euro18:34 Reflections: the globalization of AI  CONNECT & SUBSCRIBE:• Follow RBC Thought Leadership on LinkedIn• Follow John Stackhouse on LinkedIn• For more insights visit RBC Thought Leadership Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.