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Are you fed up with the never ending crises in the news? Are you looking for Order amidst the Disorder? Listen to the Disorder Podcast as we offer forward thinking solutions to the biggest challenges of the day. We are living through an age of unrivaled disorder: an out-of-control Trump Administration, never ending scandals, escalating threats from China, Iran, and Russia, and the rapid march of destabilizing tech. The “good guys” - rules-based ordering centrists - are on the back foot, while neo-populist strongmen gain ground by fuelling more and more chaos. But there are ways out of this mess. Join us as we Order the Disorder.Each week, host Jason Pack, co-hosts Jane Kinnimont and Mark Lobel, world-leading experts, senior diplomats and cultural icons, present their solutions to problems like: why are centrists losing and populist strongmen winning? How do we save our democracies? How do we deal with threats from Disorderers like Iran and Russia? And how do we build multilateral co
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Ep 219: Midterm Shockwaves — Markets, Israel and Ukraine
The US midterms have rattled Wall Street and shaken the geopolitical chessboard. Jason is joined by Out of Order host Mark Lobel to ask: is this a turning point for Order, or the start of even more Trumpian chaos?From tumbling AI and defence stocks to Anthropic’s blockbuster IPO, they unpack the financial fallout. Then to Israel: can Gadi Eisenkot assemble a government and end the Netanyahu era — and why have the betting markets got the coalition arithmetic so wrong?In Ukraine, Russian attacks on the power grid intensify ahead of Abu Dhabi peace talks. Could Trump’s hunger for a deal leave Europe and Ukraine on the menu? And what would credible European security guarantees look like?ORDERING THE DISORDERWage insurance for the AI transition; bold but practical European incentives for democratic post-Bibi change in Israel; and real security guarantees for Ukraine. Mark and Jason explain how we can have less wishful thinking, more strategic courage.MEGA ORDERERS BONUSIn the Ep 219 bonus only for Mega Orderers entitled: Think Before EU Speak — Burnham’s Brexit Gamble’, Jason and Mark debate France’s protest wave and Andy Burnham’s Brexit gamble. Could a Norway-plus reset help Britain — or hand Nigel Farage the perfect immigration argument? Join the Mega Orderers at https://disordershow.com/club.SHOWNOTES LINKS — MAIN EPISODEAssociated Press — From high-flying AI stocks to tariff-hit alcohol companies, the midterms shook up Wall Street — https://apnews.com/article/4ac9a6a3c35aeec37374fc8083bf9395Al Jazeera — Eisenkot tasked with forming a new Israeli coalition government — https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/11/8/israels-president-tasks-eisenkot-to-form-new-coalition-governmentRadio Free Europe/Radio Liberty — Russian strikes on energy targets leave Ukrainians without electricity — https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-strikes-ukraine-energy/33893219.htmlThe Babylon Bee — Cheer Up, Friends! Here Are 8 Silver Linings Of The Republicans Getting Blown Out (satire) — https://babylonbee.com/news/cheer-up-friends-here-are-8-silver-linings-of-the-republicans-getting-blown-outFor the market discussion: Dow Jones historical prices — https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/%5EDJI/history/ ; Nasdaq Composite historical prices — https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/%5EIXIC/history/Further background mentioned in the recording: Mark Lobel’s Out of Order interviews on the Disorder YouTube channel, and earlier Disorder episodes on Ukraine, Israel and security guarantees.Producer: Sam Cluley (George McDonagh is away this week).Subscribe to our Substack - https://natoandtheged.substack.com/Disorder on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@DisorderShowAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy
- 5 days ago1h 5m
Ep 218: The Blue Tsunami cometh! Has America Finally Rejected Trumpism?
The morning after the 2026 US midterms, Jason Pack and Jane Kinninmont reunite for an emergency episode of Disorder to celebrate what Jason calls the greatest victory for American democracy in his lifetime. The predicted blue wave has become a blue tsunami, with Democrats making extraordinary gains in traditionally Republican territory, from Texas to South Carolina. Trump has even accepted the results! Has American democracy just saved itself? From Jason's perspective the word relief doesn't capture it. There was no electoral violence. there was no rigging. There was genuine uplifting democratic accountability...Jason is ecstatic, proud, and in disbelief. Jane is cautiously optimistic. Together they unpack the scale of the electoral earthquake, why Trump's promises on inflation, corruption and foreign wars have backfired, and how figures like James Talarico and Jon Ossoff could reshape the Democratic Party. Is this the beginning of the end for MAGA? And can a fifteen-point electoral swing finally break America's seemingly permanent political polarisation?Then we zoom out. Could a newly empowered Congress impeach Pete Hegseth, investigate the Epstein files and reassert its constitutional authority? What does Trump's humiliation mean for Putin, Zelensky, Netanyahu, the Iran war and Europe's far-right populists? Will a weakened Trump seek revenge, or desperately chase a foreign-policy victory?ORDERING THE DISORDER: Elections still matter. Voters can change their minds, authoritarianism can be defeated, and democracy can hold its leaders accountable. But winning an election is only the beginning: restoring checks and balances, tackling corruption and rebuilding a functioning political centre will require sustained effort. Jason wants a maximalist programme of accountability; Jane reminds us that democratic renewal needs broad coalitions, not simply partisan revenge. And perhaps, for one glorious day, the Orderers can allow themselves a little joy. We request that you celebrate the most happy of Ordermuses!Join the Mega Orderers Club to support independent, truth-based analysis, receive bonus episodes and early access, and help us keep Ordering the Disorder:https://disordershow.com/clubProducer: Sam Cluley (standing in for George McDonagh)Subscribe to our Substack: https://natoandtheged.substack.com/Disorder on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DisorderShowAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy
- 1 weeks ago55 min
Ep 217. Is the US Constitution Causing America’s Disorder? The Midterms, Trump and the Case for Reform
In honour of the 2026 midterms, Jason is joined by Beau Breslin, Skidmore College political scientist and author of ‘A Constitution for the Living’, to ask a rather awkward question: what if America’s political dysfunction isn’t just about Trump, polarization or bad politicians — but the unintended consequences of the Constitution itself?From Jefferson’s argument for rewriting the Constitution every generation to Madison’s preference for continuity, they explore how the constitutional compromises around the following issues--the Senate, the Electoral College, gerrymandering, and presidential war powers--laid the door open to our current dysfunction.Given that the constitution is not really functioning anymore we ask: Can Congress reclaim its power of the purse? Has Citizens United helped turn democracy into plutocracy? And why are politicians so reluctant to make the case for structural reform? They also consider what a new Congress might actually change — before Beau offers a surprisingly practical prescription for Ordering the American disorder: bring back the bowling league. It may be easier than impeaching a president.ORDERING THE DISORDER: Rebuilding American democracy requires enforceable checks, fairer elections and institutions that reconnect citizens — not simply changing the politicians at the top.MEGA ORDERERS BONUS: Jason and Beau convene their own imaginary constitutional convention. One to five senators per state based on population! Term limits, independent redistricting, a parliamentary-style way to remove presidents, public campaign funding and a redesigned Electoral College!! Join at https://disordershow.com/club to hear what they would rewrite and how.Producer: George McDonaghSubscribe to our Substack -https://natoandtheged.substack.com/Disorder on YouTube -https://www.youtube.com/@DisorderShowSHOWNOTES LINKSBeau Breslin — A Constitution for the Living (Skidmore College overview)https://www.skidmore.edu/news/2022/0106-breslin-book.phpListening to America — Artificial Intelligence (AI) and a New Constitution for the United States, with Beau Breslin and Prairie Gunnelshttps://jeffersonhour.libsyn.com/1661-artificial-intelligence-ai-and-a-new-constitution-for-the-united-statesListening to America — The Iran War and the U.S. Constitution, with Beau Breslinhttps://ltamerica.org/listen-2/Disorder Ep 172 — Graham Zellick on Britain’s unwritten constitution and legal accountabilityhttps://podcasts.apple.com/se/podcast/ep-172-looking-beyond-the-headlines-of-the-iran/id1706818264?i=1000753646258&l=en-GBDisorder — Elie Honig on accountability and the Special Prosecutor system (linked in Ep 172 shownotes)https://pod.link/1706818264/episode/NmU0ZGIzZTQtYjhhMS0xMWYwLTk0NWQtZWZlN2MwMWI1YWJmNational Archives — The US Constitution, full texthttps://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/constitution-transcriptBrennan Center — Citizens United and money in politicshttps://www.brennancenter.org/topics/money-politics/campaign-finance-courts/citizens-unitedBrennan Center — Redistricting and independent commissionshttps://www.brennancenter.org/topics/voting-elections/redistrictingRobert D. Putnam — Bowling Alone: The Collapse and Revival of American Communityhttps://robertdputnam.com/bowling-alone/Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy
- 2 weeks ago47 min
Ep 216: Listener Questions: Has Centrism Failed, Is French Disorder spreading, Can Ukraine Hold On, and Who Can Order the Disorder?
Jason and Jane are back with your questions — and an encouragingly modest agenda: saving centrism, standing by Ukraine, surviving the US midterms, tackling climate change and keeping the Red Sea open. Is anti-incumbency a symptom of a broken social contract? Can democracies outlast Putin without American leadership? And is a protest movement without a concrete demand doomed to achieve nothing?We also tackle Trump’s Russian diesel deal, whether Trump will fightback after a midterms loss coherent fightback, what COP31 can achieve in Antalya, and how the Houthis connect the Iran war to the Horn of Africa. Along the way, Jason offers the Democrats a slogan, and we discover that puppet satire may be the most reliable form of political analysis.ORDERING THE DISORDER: Big collective-action problems need leadership, enforceable rules and practical demands — not just outrage.MEGA ORDERERS BONUS: Israel votes on 27 October. Could Netanyahu survive yet again? Jason and Jane examine Gadi Eisenkot, Naftali Bennett, Avigdor Lieberman and the Arab parties; ultra-Orthodox conscription; and the prospect of a knesset that cannot form a government. Join at https://disordershow.com/club.Producer: George McDonaghSubscribe to our Substack -https://natoandtheged.substack.com/Disorder on YouTube -https://www.youtube.com/@DisorderShowSHOWNOTES LINKSDisorder Ep 212 — Mark Galeotti on War Putinism and Russian bearshttps://podfollow.com/disorder/episode/502c88e21901dc3f66bac9d075868ce5dd86ca63/viewThe Rest Is Politics: Leading — Mary Trump, “Trump’s Niece on Why He’s on Putin’s Side”https://podcasts.apple.com/nz/podcast/trumps-niece-on-why-hes-on-putins-side/id1665265193?i=1000796648618The Rest Is Politics — Trump and Putin vs Zelensky: Is Europe Sleepwalking into Disaster?https://www.iheart.com/podcast/867-the-rest-is-politics-107223135/episode/581-trump-and-putin-vs-zelensky-348060976/Puppet Regime — official political satire sitehttps://puppetregime.com/Spitting Image — official YouTube channelhttps://www.youtube.com/@SpittingImageUN Climate Change — COP31 in Antalya, 9–20 November 2026https://unfccc.int/cop31The Atlantic — Trump’s “Staggering One-Two Punch” to Ukrainehttps://www.theatlantic.com/podcasts/2026/10/ra-ukraine/689068/Disorder — join the Mega Orderers Clubhttps://disordershow.com/clubAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy
- 3 weeks ago54 min
Ep 215. Who is the real Nigel Farage? John Sweeney
As right-wing populist and far-right parties see a major rise across Europe, Nigel Farage is one of the most consequential politicians of our time. He may be the UK’s next Prime Minister. Investigative journalist, and best-selling author, John Sweeney is a thorn in Nigel Farage’s side. He is the Reform UK correspondent of the Nerve. He has covered wars, revolutions and disorder in a hundred countries, including going undercover in Chechnya, North Korea and Zimbabwe. He’s written 17 books including the Sunday Times bestseller ‘Killer in the Kremlin’ about Vladimir Putin. In this lively interview, which includes explicit language, about his new, explosive book ‘The Real Nigel Farage’ Sweeney does not hold back, citing well-sourced allegations, suggesting the charismatic and popular Reform UK leader is cruel, chaotic and akin to a leader of a cult. It's a packed hour full of startling allegations, such as Farage not liking working class people and academics, his sympathies towards Vladimir Putin and his narcissistic tendencies. Nigel Farage, as Sweeney himself makes clear throughout the interview, denies any wrongdoing and has said of Sweeney that he has caused him more misery than anyone else in 25 years of politics. Sweeney says Farage has not yet sued about any of the allegations in his book. Also in this interview, Sweeney reveals what really happened that caused his infamous shouting match against Scientology spokesman Tommy Davis, which has been seen by millions of people around the world. Sweeney also tells Out of Order with Mark Lobel why he thinks child serial killer Lucy Letby is innocent. Sweeney has reported on women wrongly jailed for murder before and revealed flaws in the case against Sally Clarke. Her verdict was subsequently overturned in 2003. LINKS: Buy John’s book, ‘The Real Nigel Farage’ here: https://amzn.eu/d/07m4laz3 Crowdfunders for Ukraine: https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/p/qr/XWJOKwDn?utm_campaign=sharemodal&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=shortlink https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/p/qr/VlDvrKKn?utm_campaign=sharemodal&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=shortlink John’s podcast on Lucy Letby https://open.spotify.com/show/0rwlMXKNQK0a7ug2p4oX1D John Sweeney losing his temper – Panorama, BBC One https://youtu.be/mjlo4u_8g60?is=15o0HQfnzdU5gC2f Contact Mark Lobel here: https://www.mark-lobel.com/getintouch HOST: Mark Lobel @marklobeltvGUEST: John Sweeney @johnsweeneyroarPRODUCER: George McDonaghAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy
- 4 weeks ago56 min
Ep 214. France Burns, Britain Borrows, and AI Takes Over
From tear gassing student protestors in France to Britain’s chaotic party conferences with their controversial motions, Jason and Jane ask whether Western democracies can still deliver anything positive for the next generation. They take on Labour’s spending promises, the Tory’s bizzarre tax cut pledges, the Greens’ Zionism is Racism controversy and the growing power of bond markets over elected governments.Then: are AI and its creators taking over? Jane reports from the UN General Assembly on the push for global AI rules. After the break, we turn to the US midterms and Iranian-linked security threats in Britain. Plus, Jason finally learns what “squeaky bum time” means. And apparently it is not only about clearing the midpoint.Then in the MEGA ORDERERS BONUS just for our subscribers: Can Trump Tariff His Way to a Bolsonaro Victory? Brazil’s election, the Bolsonaro comeback, Lula’s failures, crime, evangelical politics and whether economic pressure is becoming a new form of foreign election interference.Join the Mega Orderers Club: https://disordershow.com/clubAnd in the ORDERING THE DISORDER: Democracies need room to invest in the next generation and international cooperation to ensure AI serves people rather than addiction, polarisation and dominance.Producer: George McDonaghSubscribe to our Substack -https://natoandtheged.substack.com/Disorder on YouTube -https://www.youtube.com/@DisorderShowSHOWNOTES LINKSHave the Greens just voted for a de facto ban on Jews?https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-news-agents/id1640878689?i=1000793267697More on this https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/oct/02/green-party-anti-zionism-motion-attempt-tell-jews-how-to-think'Everyone hates the police' – what France's school protests reveal about a divided nationhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crq5nlqnn184o George McDonagh produced Black Box about AI https://www.theguardian.com/technology/audio/2026/sep/03/black-box-the-chatbots-spirals-ai-psychosis-podcast And then an On the Media about US polarization and ice. https://open.spotify.com/episode/2RUp1IfoSX2CXl0s1eVi3h?si=1IlVr9j2SZqt9evXmucpaQ&utm_source=copy-link&t=2045 Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy
- Oct 8, 202633 min
Ep 213 The Democratic Identity ahead of the Midterms with Erin Petrey
Jason is joined by former Kentucky congressional candidate Erin Petrie, board member of Bourbon Women and active DAR member, to dissect the ideological clash at the heart of the American left. They discuss whether progressive slogans like "abolish ICE" drive moderate voters into Trumpism, how Citizens United and billionaire donors have created a pay-to-play system and why politicians in Washington fail to address the affordability crisis in rural America.MEGA ORDERERS BONUS: What do Erin’s experiences in post-revolutionary Libya reveal about the collapse of civic trust back home? Then, as Jason and Erin Order the Disorder, they debate whether centrist pragmatic realism or progressive dreaming is the path forward. They explore critical Senate and House races to watch in North Carolina and Texas, whether Democrats should pack the Supreme Court to counter executive overreach, and how international trade and tariffs could hit MAGA voters where it hurts. Plus: can the rule of law still win in Trump’s America, or must centrist Democrats go lower to actually restore order?Join the Mega Orderers Club for the full bonus: https://disordershow.com/clubProducer: Sam CluleySubscribe to Ordering the Disorder: https://natoandtheged.substack.com/Disorder on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DisorderShowSHOWNOTES LINKSErin’s Website: https://erinpetrey.com/Erin’s Podcast: https://www.thekentuckyedge.com/on-the-edge-with-erin-petrey/Kentucky Educational Television (KET) Debate CoverageCitizens United v. FEC: https://www.fec.gov/legal-resources/court-cases/citizens-united-v-fec/History of ICE:https://www.dhs.gov/historyAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy
- Oct 5, 20261h 0m
Ep 212. The Rampaging of the Russian Bears and Welcome to ‘War Putinism’ With Mark Galeotti
What exactly is “War Putinism” — and how long can it survive?Jason is joined by Russia expert Mark Galeotti, host of In Moscow’s Shadows, to get inside the increasingly militarised, kleptocratic system Putin has built. They discuss Russia’s recent Duma elections, whether the war economy is devouring Russia’s future, how corruption changes when elites stop believing the system will last forever, and why Russia is so effective at exploiting divisions in Western societies.Then they Order the Disorder: Jason and Mark disagree agreeably over whether Europe needs greater unity or much bolder action against Russia — before exploring financial enforcement, sanctions, Russian money flows and what the West could actually do to constrain Putin’s capacity to disorder the international system.And, naturally, there are bears. Lots of rampaging Russian bears.MEGA ORDERERS BONUS: Can Ukraine actually win? Responding to a listener challenge, Jason and Mark debate what Russian defeat could realistically mean, whether any settlement merely gives Putin time to regroup, and what security guarantees Ukraine would actually need. Plus: even more on Russia’s increasingly disorderly bears.Join the Mega Orderers Club for the full bonus:https://disordershow.com/clubProducer: George McDonaghSubscribe to Ordering the Disorder:https://natoandtheged.substack.com/Disorder on YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/@DisorderShowSHOWNOTES LINKSMark Galeotti’s In Moscow’s Shadows:https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/in-moscows-shadows/id1510124746In Moscow’s Shadows 264: Russia’s Bear(s) On The March:https://podcasts.apple.com/nl/podcast/in-moscows-shadows-264-russias-bear-s-on-the-march/id1510124746?i=1000791844169Our recent episode with Hanna Notte — Can Putin Outlast the West (by Disordering it)?:https://podfollow.com/disorder/episode/35b8c221b3fca72fafb5a4b0fee7924f22d97423/viewDisorder Ep. 196 with Jamison Firestone — Rule of Lies: The Origin Story of Putin’s Russia:https://podcasts.apple.com/id/podcast/ep-196-rule-of-lies-the-origin-story-of/id1706818264?i=1000777642161Our previous episode with Sir Bill Browder:https://pod.link/1706818264/episode/a36160dede2b990a59c34c3c4e8eeeceJoin the Mega Orderers Club:https://disordershow.com/clubAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy
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Are you fed up with the never ending crises in the news? Are you looking for Order amidst the Disorder? Listen to the Disorder Podcast as we offer forward thinking solutions to the biggest challenges of the day. We are living through an age of unrivaled disorder: an out-of-control Trump Administration, never ending scandals, escalating threats from China, Iran, and Russia, and the rapid march of destabilizing tech. The “good guys” - rules-based ordering centrists - are on the back foot, while neo-populist strongmen gain ground by fuelling more and more chaos. But there are ways out of this mess. Join us as we Order the Disorder.Each week, host Jason Pack, co-hosts Jane Kinnimont and Mark Lobel, world-leading experts, senior diplomats and cultural icons, present their solutions to problems like: why are centrists losing and populist strongmen winning? How do we save our democracies? How do we deal with threats from Disorderers like Iran and Russia? And how do we build multilateral co
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