Is Variational the Next Hyperliquid? | CEO Lucas Schuermann and Justin Bram

What if the next major onchain trading platform looks less like a crypto exchange and more like Robinhood with institutional liquidity underneath? Variational co-founder Lucas Schumann and Head of Product Justin Bram join David to unpack the broker model behind Variational, why they believe swaps can improve on perps for real-world assets, and how TradFi liquidity can be brought onchain without rebuilding every market from scratch. --- 📣SPOTIFY PREMIUM RSS FEED | USE CODE: SPOTIFY24 https://bankless.cc/spotify-premium --- BANKLESS SPONSOR TOOLS: 🔓NEAR | TRADE CONFIDENTIALLY, GET 20% BACK https://bankless.cc/near2026 🎯THE DEFI REPORT | ONCHAIN INSIGHTS https://thedefireport.io/bankless 👑BANKLESS CONTENT MCP https://www.bankless.com/premium --- TIMESTAMPS 0:00 Broker, Not Exchange 5:07 Why Brokerage Wins for Retail 8:22 What Is a Swap? 9:58 The Real Cost of Trading 11:43 Bringing TradFi Liquidity Onchain 14:44 Building Variational 23:14 From Crypto Traders to Everyone 26:42 The Next User Base 30:35 What Actually Happens Onchain? 34:00 Inside OLP 37:03 Arbitrum and User Funds 39:44 The VAR Token and 32% Airdrop 42:34 Funding the Token Model 44:11 The 2027 Roadmap 47:44 Protocol or Platform? --- RESOURCES Lucas Schuermann https://x.com/variational_lvs Justin Bram https://x.com/JustinCBram Variational https://www.variational.io/en --- Not financial or tax advice. See our investment disclosures here: https://www.bankless.com/disclosures