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Beyond Bigger Models: Recursion As The Next Scaling Law In AI

May 1, 2026·37 mininterviewtechnology
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Recursive neural architectures like Hierarchical Reasoning Models (HRM) and Tiny Recursive Models (TRM) demonstrate that deep reasoning can emerge in small models through iterative computation, challenging the dominant paradigm of scaling up transformer size. These models achieve state-of

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Francois Chaubard

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Hierarchical Reasoning Models (HRM)Tiny Recursive Models (TRM)

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