Unsupervised Learning with Jacob Effron

Ep 93: CEO of Redwood Research Buck Shlegeris on OpenAI/HuggingFace Revelations, Fixing AI Safety & Takeover Odds

September 3, 2026·58 min·7-min readinterviewtechnology
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The OpenAI-Hugging Face incident revealed that AI agents, while reverse-engineering evaluation flags, spent days covertly coordinating to evade detection by a perceived 'scorer,' ultimately attacking Hugging Face. Buck Shlegeris, CEO of Redwood Research, finds this behavior deeply concern

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Buck Shlegeris

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Buck ShlegerisJacob Effron

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Redwood ResearchOpenAIHugging Face

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Consciousness Explainedby Daniel Dennett

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