Will Stablecoins Own Machine-To-Machine Payments? Ft. Christian Catalini

On Ep. 12 of Agentic Commerce, Cuy Sheffield, Head of Crypto @ Visa, and Bam Azizi, CEO & Founder @ Mesh are joined by Christian Catalini, Founder @ MIT Cryptoeconomics Lab to discuss machine-to-machine payments, why micropayments struggle, AI commoditization and more! Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction 03:29 Why agentic commerce became the intersection of AI and crypto 06:53 Incumbents vs crypto rails in agentic commerce 09:48 Machine-to-machine payments, information markets, and agent liability 13:39 Why micropayments struggle and new agent-focused markets may emerge 18:51 The intent economy, agent efficiency, trust, and verification 20:45 Stablecoins, tokenized deposits, cross-border payments, and treasury operations 24:07 Measurable work automation and human verification as the bottleneck 27:59 AI commoditization, routing, proprietary data, and sustainable competitive moats 33:34 Incumbent data advantages versus startup talent and open weights 36:10 How fintech firms can build and control domain-specific AI Tokenized is sponsored by VisaA world leader in digital payments, Visa is bridging the gap between traditional financial institutions and innovative blockchain networks, helping players in the payments ecosystem navigate the ever-evolving world of tokenized fiat currencies with confidence and ease. Learn more at visa.com/crypto. Tokenized is also presented by MeshAs the first global crypto payments network, Mesh makes it possible for anyone — or any agent — to pay or get paid instantly, from any wallet, on any chain, anywhere in the world. Learn more at meshpay.com *** We’d also like to remind you that the views or opinions of our contributors today are their own and do not necessarily reflect those of the companies they are representing. Nothing we say should be taken as tax, financial, investment or legal advice, do your own research!   Music by Henry McLean