This episode of This American Life reveals a systemic breakdown within U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) through the testimonies of two whistleblowers: Ryan Schwenk, an ICE attorney, and Julie Lee, a government lawyer. Their accounts expose a training program stripped of co
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