The Zen Mountain Monastery Podcast

Ch’ien and Her Soul are Separated

September 6, 2026·42 min
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Geoffrey Shugen Arnold, Roshi – ZMM – 9/6/26 – Stories are one of the primary ways that we create and re-create suffering in our own minds, and this folk tale of Ch’ien and her soul in a Zen koan lends itself well to the study of mind and reality. With practice comes a fresh awareness of the narrative, and we can see it changing even as we tell it again. When the habit energies in the story begin to shift, we take steps toward our liberation. (From Master Wu-Men’s Gateless Gate, Case 35: Ch’ien’s Soul is Separated.)

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