The Winston Marshall Show

‘The Rational World Is Falling Apart’ - Jonathan Pageau

July 28, 2026·48 min
Episode Description from the Publisher

In this episode of The Winston Marshall Show, I sit down with Jonathan Pageau for a conversation on the end of the Enlightenment, AI, Christianity, demons, UFOs, and why the modern world is rediscovering the spiritual. We discuss the collapse of materialism, the return of religion, the meaning of giants, occultism, technology, transhumanism, and why Pageau believes the West is entering a new civilisational era beyond secular rationalism. LIVE EVENT: Is Islam compatible with the West? Get your discounted first release tickets now before they sell out: https://winstonmarshall.eventbrite.co.uk I can’t wait for you to join us in London for one of the most important debates of our timeOur show is independently supported by you, consider signing up to our substack to get added benefits like ad-free and extended episodes here: https://www.winstonmarshall.co.uk/Chapters 00:00 Are We Living Through The End Of The Enlightenment?05:16 Why Woke Came From Christianity 10:48 Does AI Have A Soul? 16:11 AI, Divination & The Occult 20:12 The Enlightenment's Greatest Mistake 23:23 Can We Keep The Good Of The Enlightenment? 25:46 AI, Moloch & The Rise Of Authoritarianism 30:28 Why Society Must Learn To Participate Again 37:04 AI, Technocracy & Humanity's Future 43:17 UFOs, Demons & The Return Of The Spiritual 44:31 Do Giants Really Exist?

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